ATI Radeon Mobility HD3650?

Haven't really seen much discussion on this GPU yet...

Anyone knows approximately how well this card should perform?

 

Not much discussion at all, I assume it should perform similarly to a 8700M GT.

 

Was hoping it'd close up the gap between the 8600M GT and the 8800M.

 

Yeah, its rather big gap between those cards now. I hope ATI can fill some of those gaps!

 

i wonder about this card. i'm thinking to buy a notebook with
512mb ati mobility hd3650
3gb ram
AMD Turion X2 RM-70 2.1ghz

i'm concerned about the graphic card. if there are 3650 owners i need some feedback.

p.s: i will mostly play pes2009, gtaIV(lowest settings are OK for me), crysis and CoD5:WaW

 

It's better than 8600M GT DDR2 but slightly worse than GDDR3 8600M GT or so I've witnessed with 3DMarks and in gaming.

 

thanks for your reply.

actually, i have a hp notebook with go7400 but it is broken. hp is not likely to repair it in 30 days and i will want my money back at the 31st day. and i will add a little (150-300$ 400 at most) and buy the notebook i mentioned. so GDDR3 8600M GT seems too expensive.

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can somebody post some screenshots?

 

It'll outperform the 8600m GT in most games(nevermind DDR2\GDDR3 )

GTA4 won't perform well, if you find the game playable at all. That's mainly going to be down to your processor. I'd recommend waiting for some patches to make the game more playable and to fix all the bugs first before buying it. The other games you mentioned will play on medium - high settings though

Quite a step up from your go 7400, enjoy

 

The HD3650 is ATI's equivalent to Nvidia's 8600M GT(since it''s built on similar architecture). In some games, it'll noticeably outperform the 8600M GT(notably Source games), but in general their performance is more or less on par with perhaps a slight edge for one card here and another one there.

So the HD3650's performance is more or less a bit above the 8600M GT and somewhere a tad below the 9600M GT(but not by much in either case).

 

Is there a 3670 for laptops? If so how does it perform compared to other cmid range cards?

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-3670.9595.0.html

Havn't seen it in any laptops but it appears to be around the performance of the 9600m GT.

 

The 3650 and 3450 are both available from DELL on the Studio line of laptops.
The 3650 compares well to the 8600m GS and the 3450 compares with the 8400m GT.

Plus the ATI GPUs don't have the high risk of thermal failure that has been well documented here on the web.

 

If the 3650 = ~8600M, and 3450 = 8400M GT, then roughly where does 3470 come in?

 

The mobility 3470 compares well to the 9400m - see this site for complete details:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-3470.9594.0.html

 

LOL NO IT DOES NOT.

 

No the HD3470 is simply a higher clocked HD3450. It's still comparable to the 8400M GT, just now it's slightly better.

The HD3650 is comparable to a 8600M GT and if it's GDDR3, it has performance on par with a 9600M GT(which isn't that much better than a 8600M GT anyways).

 

My mistake ... corrected to the 9400m

From NotebookCheck: 3DMark 05in comparison

NVIDIA GeForce 9400M (G) score = 3930
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3470 score = 3947

 

What do you think about the HD3650 from the studio 17?
Will it be able to play some of the latest games on low and medium?

 

so like the 9500M GS? lol

 

Yes, the HD3650 is a good mid-range GPU and should be able to play all the newest games, given a settings tweak on the really power hungry ones.

 

That site is like laptops 4chan. It's so full of cr*p you wouldn't belive it. :x
A good GPU comparison is in the sticky.

 

So much mis-information in this thread.

THe HD3650 is alot better than the 8600m GS and the 8400m GT is alot better than the 3450\70.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=302231

 

Rarely will you need to set a game to low to get playable framerates.

 

i'm thinking about this one:
http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/product/Satellite-A300D-16N/1058024/

or maybe this one:
http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/product/Satellite-A300D-17F/1058027/

they are way cheaper than the ones with intel CPUs and nvidia GPUs. hd3650 > 8600m gt but in price hd3650 < 8600m. confuses me.

what do you think of those 2 notebooks?

p.s: an irreverent question:
the laptop in the second link has 4gb ram but it seems to have 32-bit os. i heard that you cannot use 3gb+ ram with 32-bit OSs.

 

The one with the hd3650 is cheaper because it has 3gb of ram vs 4gb for the one with the 8600m, though both are using 32 bit OSs so the 4gb advantage is moot.

EDIT: Anyway I would not buy anything with a 8600m...

 

Yeah that whole NVIDIA issue is kind of scary. I keep my fingers crossed for my poor ol' Vostro.

 

they are both 3650. Their cpus are different. I dont know much about CPU. I need some opinions about them. Also i wonder how will 4gb ram work with 32bit. It seems impossible. So why do they sell with 32bit os?

 

HD3650 issit better than HD2600XT??

 

It doesn't. 32bit Windows can only properly address 4Gb total of memory, and when it addresses memory, RAM comes in last position behind the GPU, and all the other components so you actually have ~3-3.5Gb of RAM available depending on your system.

Why do they sell 32bit? It's still the standard . Most programs are still coded for 32bit(they still run on 64bit, but they're coded for 32bit) and you have compatibility issues with older programs which some people use.

Also, 64bit is mostly used by the general public to get that 4Gb of RAM, but the general people don't need 4Gb of RAM really. You can only use so much for regular tasks after all(unless you're a fan of running 2 games at the same time lol ). You normally need more for workstation applications or such, but for general use and gaming, 3Gb if enough.

People are transitioning to 64bit slowly, but it took nearly 8 years for 32bit to completely overtake 16bit so give it some time lol

They are more or less equivalent in terms of performance. The HD3650 is based off the HD2600 and the HD2600XT is a beefed up HD2600.

 

thank you.

i have one more question. i found a laptop with 9600m gt and 3gb ram (4gb max). i am going to buy a laptop for long use. so do you prefer max 4gb or 8gb? how much ram will the games need 2 years later? and will 9600m gt manage to run them?

 

In two years? I guess all but the most demanding games will be playable on low settings, think crysis 3, GTA 5, Fallout 4 etc

3GB of ram is plenty, seriously!

 

too early for gta5. i think we will see some expansions so requirements won't change too much. but i'm not sure about crysis.

 

The 9600M GT will probably be able to run the games 2 years from now. You'll just have to go down to low settings by then. I mean, the HD2600, which is last year's mid-range GPU can still play games from today just fine.

As for RAM, games don't depend on RAM so much. Multitasking depends on RAM and games generally don't run that many processes at the same time so I'm pretty sure you'll be good with 3 for a while to come. After all, I have 2Gb on XP and I"m more than fine for most games.

 

Well cysis, gta4 and fallout3 are current games that mid-range cards from 2 years ago can't play... see what i was trying to say

 

got it. so for long use, mxm avaible laptops are better.

 

Well there's different kinds of MXM "slots", so in two years time a mid-range MXM card will have a different interface than what todays standards are. Even though there's still two or three kinds of MXM slots still used today. You'd probably be able to upgrade to a higher-end card from the same series but then in two years time the price of one could be through the roof due to them being so long out of production.

 

so there is no escape. this means 3 years later i will buy a ps4/new xbox/a desktop pc and continue using notebook.

 

Well the mobile world is already closed. You can't upgrade it the same way as a desktop because of the form factor. Even in a desktop's case, sometimes ports change and you end up having to change half the computer to be up-to-date. There really isn't any escape to the advancing world of technology. A laptop's life expectancy is roughly3-4 years and for a gaming laptop it is a bit less in terms of actual performance.

There is a difference between "modern games" and "modern power hungry games" though. Some games are still coming out with system requirements of a Pentium 4... Granted, they are rarely on the same level as those power hungry games, but I'm just saying not all games are like Crysis or GTA4.

Will they be in 2 years' time though?

Well the gaming market always wants to keep a large public so chances are there will still be those low demanding games or games which are well optimized games. For example, Left 4 Dead was surprisingly well optimized and could run on lower end machines quite well and I wouldn't' say Left 4 Dead is a bad game.

But the question is what are your needs?

You can't always be up to date in technology because it is always advancing so that is a pointless endeavor for the average consumer(if you're rich and have nothing better to spend on then more power to you lol ).

Perhaps a desktop or console is a better solution for gaming since in the desktop's case, it is upgradeable and it's more cost efficient than a laptop in terms of performance. In the case of the console, usually a console is good for the life expectancy it has. I mean, PS2 lasted a good few years and people are still using the little machine since games still do come out for it(albeit not many).

 

The 3650 is slightly behind the new 9600M GT but the difference is negligible. They're roughly equivalent.