ATI X1700 vs Nvidia 7700..

Hi,

I am tossing up between the Asus A8Jp (ATI X1700) or A8Js (Nvidia 7700).

They are essentially the same machine however one has the ATI X1700 and the other has the Nvidia 7700.

I have had both Nvidia and ATI cards in the past and like both so I am not a "fanboy" of either company.

I just want the fastest of the two.

Does anyone know of any benchmarks comparing the two?

Any thoughts on which of these is better? Worse? The same?

At the moment I am looking at getting the


Asus A8JP
Intel Centrino Core 2 Duo T5600 (1.86Ghz, 667Mhz FSB, 2MB Cache),
14" WXGA+,
2 GB (2 x 1GB) DDRII 667Mhz,
100GB 5400RPM HDD,
ATI X1700 256MB/512MN HM,
DVD Dual Burner,
WiFi 802.11a/b/g,
10/100/1000 LAN,
Bluetooth,
CMOS WebCam,
Win XP-PRO
Bag
Mouse

For $2898.00 AU (approx $2225 US).

Because they don't have the A8Js yet. The guy in the shop didn't know when they were getting the A8Js but is getting back too me. I'm sure I could get it soon.

 

Go 7700 is better...
here is the review
http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=/language_tools

 

Are there any A8J's available yet???

 

The A8Js is currently only available in China and Taiwan. Guesstimates suggest it will be released elsewhere sometime in October. I'm trying to confirm an Australian release date through the Australian distributor, Synnex... Will post anything I find.

I'm holding out for the A8Js myself, came within a hair's breadth of buying the A8Jm before the new model was announced.

 

I don't believe that the X1700 is worse then the 7700Go. I mean, it is a whole new technology.

Charlie

 

In Sweden I got the indication that the A8Js should be available early or middle of October.... But I doubt that, I'm afraid that we will be in November or something before these computers decide to show up.

And the estimated 1499 USD they put on some sites, I wonder what the price will really be for the end-user...

I'm sitting on my hands in the meantime.

Cheers /Patrik

 

Here's a post from Jason who has seen one in person in Taiwan.

 

That review looked VERY wrong. Nvidia said themselves that the 7700 was only a slight bit better than the 7600, yet their 3dmark test showed that it was nearly double the performance.

On ATI's website you can read that there is no difference from the X1600 to the X1700 except the X1700 has much stronger support for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray

 

Are you right about the X1700 unknown? Actually that is pretty sad

Charlie

 

The general conscensus on ATI VS Nvidia is that if you wanna go linux, Go Nvidia. Other then that the 7700 should act and perform about the same as the 1700.

Otto.

 

I do not think you can go wrong with either the Nvidia Go7700 or the ATI X1700 . . both are going to be stellar for the latest games, and probably be very close in performance.

 

i'm more concerned with their respective power consumption statistics and overclocking potentional

if the 7700 ends up to be slightly cooler with better performance after overclocking than if one tried the same with a x1700, then who cares which GPU runs faster at stock speeds?

 

I have read a different article where it shows the 7700 and 7600 are almost equal in performance however the 2nd post link shows otherwise. A8Js maybe be clocked higher so its difficult to compare.

What I mean is that the x1700 could be clocked really low (like x1600 on the mac book pros) and the 7700 clocked a lot higher. We can't draw any conclusion just yet.

 

Yes, just read ATI's 1700 page, every spec of the 1700 is the same as the 1600, except it says it is made for watching HD video.

 

Hi all (first post)

Well from what i've read the X1700 is basicaly same performance as a X1600 only its been made using strained silicon which basicaly means its more efficent as to the use of electricity so uses less and produces less heat.

I can't seem to find the review/test of these cards right now but it shoulded that the Geforce Go 7700 higher scores than ATI's X1700, i would take this with a pinch of salt until there are a number of reviews to back each other up.

Will post link when i do find it.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=79552&page=3

You can check out the thread above. There was a Merom A8Jp owner that did a quick 3DMark05 on his MR X1700 with stock settings. It came out to 3722. A W3J with a 1.83GHz Yonah and a MR X1600 can get around 3900 at stock I believe. The reason why the A8Jp's MR X1700 gets a poor score is because it is using DDR2 at 390MHz. The core though is running at 470MHz, so strained silicon does have some clocking benefits. Still a Merom W3J with it's MR X1600 at 450MHz core /450MHz GDDR3 should be able to outperform the newer Merom A8Jp with it's MR X1700. Just because it's newer doesn't mean it's better. Yes, the MR X1700 has potential, but the A8Jp is a lower end labtop compared to the W3J and so it suffers accordingly.

Now benchmarks have compared the Go 7700 to the MR X1700 and found the Go 7700 faster. That's pretty obvious. However, again I point to the specific configurations used in this case a A8J compared to a A8Jp. Now if a Merom W3J with MR X1600 is faster than a A8Jp with MR X1700, it follows that the A8J Go 7700 lead isn't as big as it's 12 pipeline marketing figure makes it appear. The reason? Like the A8Jp, the A8J Go 7700 also uses DDR2 modules only certified for up to 400Mhz operation. The memory clock will probably be around 390MHz just like the A8Jp. 12 pipelines is good and all, but unless there is sufficient bandwidth to supply it, it'll just sit around generating heat and using power. It isn't quite that bad, but the Go 7700 doesn't outperform the Go 7600 by a margin that it's 50% increase in PS power would imply and the A8J does have shorter battery life than the previous A8Jm.

Both the Go 7700 and the MR X1700 are minor refreshes and don't significantly outperform their precessors. The Go 7700, Go 7600, MR X1600, and MR X1700 are all sufficiently close together that it'll just depend on individual implementation (core and memory clocks) that determines which ones faster. The Go 7700 is generally the fastest by a small margin, but it certainly isn't a generational gap despite it having 12 pipelines to the MR X1600/MR X1700's 4 pipelines. The gaps can certainly be made up by decent driver updates.

 

I saw one guy's A8Js 3Dmark05 score: 4875
um...it's as good as my destop AGP Geforce 6800GT

o, forgot to say, it's Geforce7700 Go

 

Really? I'd love to see the link.

The marketing numbers here aren't that impressive:

http://translate.google.com/transla...earch?q=%22mobility+radeon+x1450%22&hl=en&lr=

And here is the picture of the memory of the A8J's Go 7700 which is DDR2 certified for up to 400MHz operation.

http://www.google.com/translate?u=h.../98310_5.html&langpair=zh-CN|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8

 

k, here it is:


ps, i dont know whether if he overlocks or not

 

Wow. Is that a top of the line T7600 in there? Must be a nice system.

 

it's T5600 i believe

 

I doubt it's overclocked, since ATI's x1600 and nVidia's 7600 get 4000+ marks on 3dmark05 (stock).

 

the 1700 and the 7700 are just product refreshes, they arent brand new tech loaded with new whiz bang features, you should expect a modest performance boost, and enhanced compatibility with recent tech, ie hddvd, and thats about it

 

this is a really old post i found but I remember reading it when it was new and i didnt own one...

the ram in the 7700 go will go to 500 mhz. Im not sure what certified means exactly. It starts at 400 mhz stock though. it runs at 498 with no problems, but then 500 it artifacts seriously all of a sudden.

I got my 3dmark 06 scores to 3178 which is almost to 7800 go scores, a 256 bit version of almost the same thing.

way bigger difference than most of the people in this thread were speculating on. the x1700 still didnt make it to na because its not comparable. The next version, the 512 mb version is likely going to be different or overclocked at least.

 

Basically, both cards are the same. X1700 is X1600 with higher clock, and Go 7700 is upgraded Go7600. If you wanna try Linux choose Nvidia cards as they has stable driver for Linux. For gaming, I dont think both cards have big difference.

 

From NBF the x1700 benched at 4100 with stock drivers / stock speeds. It then benched at 4708 with stock drivers / core+70 memory+45. Im Guessing with omega drivers or catalyst 6.12 and overclock it will run 5000+.

Which is pretty good, the 7700go 512mb on a8j runs 4300 with stock drivers / stock speeds. Not too sure about overclocking or how other drivers will help it. They can probably boost it over 5000+ though just like the x1700.

They both have same pipes/shaders. Both have relatively the same clocks. Both have relatively same fill rate. Both can have same memory. Both around same price. It really comes down to the other features of the laptop or the price or if you prefer ati/nvidia because there difference between the cards is of insignificant %.

 

I just checked Newegg.com and they have listed the Asus F3JP with an ATI x1700 for a reasonable price. Check it out http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834220105

 

Thanks for posting that. I think for $200 more, I would go for the G1 though. You get a lot more for that extra $.

 

For the same amount i would get the new model of the a8js with the 120 gb hd.

 

The Go 7700 kills the x1700 when it comes to games, yeah some new drivers may come out etc. but who wants to wait around for that.

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2899

 

That price is really expensive. viomi.com can get the P in for about $2100AU. And the A8Js with T7200 for around $2300.

 

Umm, I read that review and it looks like the X1700 comes out ahead of the go 7700 in every test. It's the go 7900 that kills both of them, but you can only get a 7900 in a 17" model so I don't see how it should even be compared. The question was which is faster, go 7700 or X1700.

 

I have a x1700 in my f3jp and even though the benchmarks (see notebookcheck.com) have the 7700 go outperforming the x1700, the x1700 has a lot of room to overclock though possibly outperforming the 7700 go. When i first got my f3 the clocks were something like 459/391...not much to be desired here. I later downloaded ati tray tools and oc'd the card up to 546/445. I am not sure about the a8jp but the x1700 in the f3 comes with ddr2 so u dont want to clock the memory over 450. I hope this helps you.

 

Noooo... The go7700 came out ahead in all test save 3DMark05. And I believe the x1700 in the G2 is a better performer.

 

the cards if matching is quite same in performance the 7700 out performs the X1700 if im not mistaken but the x1700 has the advantage of less power consumption and lesser heat output from the X1600 of which it is modified from