ATI back in the game? BETTER than the 9800M GTX??

Ok, so i dunno.. i have to clear this up. I've been hearing rumors here and there... nowhere too special, that ATI is coming out with sumthing toward the end of this summer thats supposed to BEAT THE 9800M GTX in laptops.... I'm hearing them online in random places. If anyone can confirm or refute plz do so. Just looking for some answers... if anyone knows anything....

 

Toward the end of summer? That COULD be something like a mobility 3870X2.

If it isn't that, it would have to be the mobile version of their yet-to-be-released-on-desktops 4850/4870 line.

 

http://www.pcmicroworks.com/edge.htm

click there.... go to configure... and check the video card you can put in there... viper mobility 3870... so.. wats the deal on this ppl?!

EDIT:ADD: crap.. i just found this thread too little too late
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=261341
so if a mod wants to merge or delete this one... and i DID use the search function too btw lol...

 

End of summer? Too bad nVidia come out yesterday with the GTX 280, that is more than twice as powerful as a 9800 GTX or a 3870...

 

GTX 280 is great and all but wait till next week when the 4870 is out and see how they match up.

Plus the GTX 280 is 650$ and only as powerfull as the 9800GX2 for 500$ so it was pretty much a reduction from a dual gpu card to a single gpu card for 150$ extra. But they are still both dual slot cards so its not a big change IMO.

 

Hmm...can I ask for a source? It is actually about 50% faster than a 9800GTX from what read. A 3870 performs far below either.

But that is beside the point, we are talking about a new high-end mobile chip.

 

thank you storm... i dunno how we got onto DESKTOP cards.... wen that wasnt even in question. mostly Dema's fault talking about the 280 lol... sorry buddy... like i added before tho... this could prolly be taken to the thread i linked earlier... apparently the 9800M beats the mobility3870 which is the next ATI card to come out anyway... if someone can confirm that'll end this.

 

The 3870X2 . That is suposedly better than the 9800M GTX. Suposedly.

 

Cool if they release a crossfire laptop with 3870x2 x 2 in it. Four 3870 in Crossfire, yum yum

 

Ok all to confusing lol
I want to get a Gaming laptop
so will it be better to get a Sager/Clevo, etc
cos it could have a Desktop graphic card
some say its beetr & fastter than Laptop cards, is it ?

or go for Dell/Alinware which has a 9800 (coming soon)
Or the ATI cards
dont mind waiting till Oct or should i wait till Jan 09
cos I want a Good Real Fast Gaming Laptop

Please Advice

 

a " Sager/Clevo" couldnt Have a Desktop Graphics card "cos" it will explode.

 

yea why are desktop cards being dicussed.....it clearly says 9800 M

 

i think you mean sager/clevo offer notebooks with desktop CPUs(the quad cores).

 

yup, thats probably it

 

Did anybody see benchmarks on this suposedly better than 9800M GTX card?

 

are there even benchmarks for the 9800M GTX?

edit: according to notebookcheck, the 8800M GTX SLI > HD 3850X2 > 8800M GTX > HD 3870
so, HD 3870X2 > 8800M GTX SLI > HD 4870 (dunno when the mobile part is being released or if it will be better than the 9800M GTX, but the desktop version of the HD 4870 seems to beat the 9800 GTX) > 9800M GTX > HD 3850X2 > 8800M GTX

 

if nvidia beat ati on desktop field, i don't see why wouldn't in laptop field.
9800 gtx still faster than the new ati 4850. not to mentioning gt280.

 

It's also a lot more expensive. The 4850 is roughly on par with the 8800GT, though since it's newer, it's slightly more expensive than the 8800 GT. The 4870 is faster than the 9800 GTX but also more expensive. While the GTX 260 and 280 are even faster and more expensive... doubt you will be seeing those in laptops anytime soon though.

 

because ATI is on the 55nm process.....which means smaller cards, which means that they could fit more on a card then Nvidia could, it will be cooler, they can attain higher speeds, and they can make it use less power

obv this doesnt matter in desktops but it is a larger factor in notebooks

 

That's absolutely why. NVidia is tightrope walking with their 8KM series and 9KM series chips because of their increase heat production because of larger of the process.

ATi/AMD can shrink the die (ergo heat production) immensely which allows them to clock the chips higher. AMD should dominate the laptop market.

 

NO NO NO NO NO NO. If you say things that are blatantly false or gray area you had better provide links. The 4850 is on par with the 9800 GTX. The two are virtually identical. If it weren't for the fact that Nvidia dropped the 9800GTX price down to $200, AMD would be dancing all over the 9800GTXs grave.

Don't even mention the 8800GT, it has absolutely nothing to do with this performance segment and cannot hold a performance candle to the 9800GTX nor the 4850.

Either way, in the mobile world the only ACTUALLY AVAILABLE high performance card is the 8800M GTX. The rest of them have yet to grace any real consumer's lap. The next gen performance cards will be the 9800M GTX versus either the 4850 or 4870.

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Yea sgogeta I don't know where you were getting 8800GT = HD4850 from. The 4850 is roughly 20-30% better than an 8800GT.

edit: i know im off topic but that 9800GTX+ is a nice comeback from nvidia.

 

unless it beats the 4850 its not, plus its still $30 more then the 4850

 

hahahha, i haven't laughed so hard all week.

 

Nvidia has had this price drop AND the 9800GTX+ planned all along as a way to mitigate the 4850s resounding success. I try not to choose sides, but I feel a bit bad for AMD. They finally have a MONSTROUSLY compelling product and Nvidia swoops in to steal their thunder with insane price cuts. Business-wise, this just goes to show how well tuned and highly competitive Nvidia is in the market. They were prepped and ready to go for anything AMD could send against them even before the 4850 was released.

Anyway, the 9800GTX+ is nothing more than an extra binning category in the production step. This allows Nvidia to sample out 9800GTX cards that would've been capabable overclockers in the first place, overclock them, and mark up the price 30 bucks. This also gives them a tiny little edge over the 4850 in performance, though they lose the pricing parity.

Finally AMD/ATI is competitive again, and nothing makes a better and more innovative Nvidia than a competitive AMD/ATI. This new battle is brilliant! Now if AMD could kickstart their processors with bulldozer and give Intel a little shake, maybe we could see the same kind of value in the processor market.

 

That may be true, but people that buy these cards have at least a little knowledge about them so many should be aware of how much headroom there is in these cards vs the nVidia ones (ie. better process, clocks, etc. means more OC room = 4850>9800GTX+)

 

I really want a ATI/AMD system.

I miss them.

 

I have no seen any hard overclocking data on the 4850 cards yet, but I assume they should be able to OC up to 9800GTX+ speeds fairly easily.

Though I just learned that the 9800GTX+ cards will be manufactured on a 55nm process (down from the 65nm process Nvidia has used on their other recent cards). This should provide the overclockability that will make the 9800GTX+ faster than a 9800GTX.

It is going to be VERY VERY close, but right now I am rooting for AMD.

 

But compare the 9800 GTX to a 4850, the 4850 competes with it while using lower clocks so, assuming it can clock even to the same (actually, likely better) it'll continue to outperform the 9800 GTX+.

PS. My bro just ordered a 4850 from NCIX.com (Canada). HIS version, got $40 voucher for steam and Call of Juarez free. $226 shipped, will be here about mid next week. ATI FTW!