ATi Mobility HD 6000 series Roadmap

Here you have the latest roadmap for next ATi series.





More info:

4Gamer.net ? AMD????GPU????????????2012????2?????GPU????????????Islands???????????

CHW AMD Southern Islands ATI Radeon HD 6000 series Roadmap

 

Hmmm blackcomb i likey decent bus size, coupled with fast GDDR5, with the cards today that'd boost performance nicely, but there will probably be a doubling of stream processors maybe?

 

An increase is hopeful but a doubling isn't likely since Islands will be on the same 40nm fab, and the 256-bit memory bus by itself could potentially kick the whole card's TDP up to near GTX 480M level.


Islands is more about efficiency improvements (especially to tessellation) than entirely new architecture.

 

GDDR5 should've been standard in the first place, and I hope Blackcomb is a 1600 SP part. Sure GDDR5 and a 256 bit memory interface will give a huge boost, but ATi needs something to compete against Nvidia's 460, 470, and 480. Even if we count out those particular Nvidia parts, who knows how their other GPUs will perform. ATi needs to beat them again with a better price/performance ratio, better battery life and power management, as well as features. ATi's 4 and 5 series low and medium end mobile GPUs have been wildly successful, and it's important that they focus on the whole range.

If it's possible, I'd love to give my Sony CW a nice graphical boost in the future with something like the Capliano or Whistler may be: 400 or so SPs, 128 bit interface and GDDR5, assuming it meets the thermal requirements and my lappy has an MXM slot (not too sure, there are other models of the CW with MXM). Either way, the per clock performance and memory bandwidth of those possible products would be as good as a desktop Radeon 5670, just lower clocked of course.

 

I'm definitely waiting for Blackcomb.

1120 shaders would be nice. 1440 is probably asking too much. Expecting 1600 is the path to disappointment.

 

Think i read somewhere that the ATI Radeon HD 6000 series will just be a improved refresh of the current 5000 series, but AMD will improve both performance and power usage.
If they succed with lowering the power requirements i bet we will see even more impressive notebook GPUs.

 

Some more reading:

ATI Reportedly Preps ?Southern Islands? Family of Graphics Chips - X-bit labs

Forthcoming ATI GPUs: Different Processes, Different Suppliers, Hybrid Architecture? [UPDATED] - X-bit labs

AMD: "Southern Iceland" comes later this year

 

Oh interesting. Thanks for the links and pics

 

why all the cards are GDDR3 except for HD 5830 and 5650 ??

 

Hopefully I'll be able to drop a blackcomb into the W870CU I just ordered.

 

hopefully i can drop a blackbomb in mine too

 

Go away stupid 6000 series you're making me feel outdated already

But I'll survive

I couldn't really wait for these anyway, I wanted my laptop now. Anythings better than an intel gma 4500m (what I have at the moment)!!!

 

Blackbomb sounds like the name of a roach spray.

 

Hopefully Asus will release the Blackcomb using the same width and MXM slot for the G73jh also.

 

Blackcomb will be >75W.

Book it.

 

as long as its not as ridiculous as the 480m ill take it

blackbomb! the roach killer

 

well, i'd be taking it already because nothing is worst than the 480m

 

I'll take the 100W TDP as long as ATI keeps, or improves on, the performance/watt efficiency of Evergreen.

 

Hopefully a new BIOS for the M17x will be dropped and I can throw 2 in tha machine.

 

id actually take the 100tdp too but my laptop wont

 

There is nothing the 5870m can't handle right now. However I would like to drop a 6870m in my laptop. Let's hope the w870cu supports this...I'm not holding my breath seeing that it can't handle the gtx480m.

 

Why is this?

Lack of BIOS support? All you would need is a larger PSU to support it in the W870CU, I seriously doubt the extra inch in the W880CU is the make or break on being able to handle the 480.

 

1080p + anti-aliasing comes to mind.

 

Do you know which will be paired with switchable graphics?

 

No 28nm. I am sad.

 

6000 allready? Yikes, these last couple years they have just been busy little bees

 

I think the ATI Mobility HD 6000 series will feature switchable graphics similar to Nvidia Optimus.
It makes sense since Intels new notebook cpus (Includes quad core) will include IGPs just like the dual core arrendale.

 

There's nothing official in this roadmap regarding dates of release and hardware specs. But I hope we will see some mid-range GPUs with GDDR5 memory and a slightly increased shader count, that'd be awesome. That & switchable graphics combined with Huron River ftw.

 

AMD/ATI already has a version of Optimus in the works that could be out by the end of the year.

Optimus is just a version of Hybrid SLI adpated to work with the Intel IGP because Nvidia got kicked out of the chipset business. Both Nvidia and ATI have been using their own versions of hybrid graphics for years now.

 

Graphics Cards Supplier Expects ATI?s ?Southern Islands? to Show Up in Q4 - X-bit labs

 

Fudzilla gives a little bit more details on the matter: ATI's next generation to come in October - Graphics - Fudzilla

Anyway, thanx Phinagle .

 

so how much better on average is the 6000 series going to be because i have a dilema of waiting or not waiting? Is it going to be a big improvement over 5000 series or quite similar?

 

The consensus right now is that it won't be as much of an improvement as 4000 to 5000 was. It's still 40nm after all and ATI has made statements about how it would be an optimization of Evergreen with some of Northern Islands' features (ATI's supposed next "big leap" that was delayed because of 28nm process being delivered only sometime in 2011).

 

The source

Probably just the desktop variants, but we can expect the mobility 6870 to follow shortly afterwards.

 

Define "shortly" lol Hopefully they are compatible with the current setup.

 

You're right there's no guarantee. Intel is pushing Sandy Bridge so it might appear before Christmas, but we also know that there's no new MXM type ready yet.
My assumption is that both 480M and MR6870 will be available for the same platform. The question is when AW/Dell deploys them and whether or not there will be a new system (M18x?).

 

Great Aiki thanks. This means we'll probably be seeing high end mobile SB + ATI 6K together in Q1 2011 instead of initial projections of Q2.

 

But why 40nm?

 

Because 32nm bulk was canceled at both TSMC and GloFo and 28nm won't be ready for production until next year.

 

Uh where did you hear this? The 480M is going to use the current MXM 3.0 which was the whole point everyone was making since Nvidia will be breaching the maximum power etc of the MXM 3.0.

 

And some rather disappointing news: Radeon HD 6000 is a minor improvement - Graphics - Fudzilla

 

Article doesn't say anything I haven't already been hearing for months now, so I'm no more disappointed now then I was when I first learned that there wasn't going to be a 32nm GPU and 28nm was late.


If you need hope though read what VR-Zone has to say about the Fudzilla article.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour-ati-s.-islands--hd-6000-a-minor-improvement/9414.html

 

I was hoping for a 10-15% boost in performance, but they are saying it's a "minor improvement" so I reckon it is going to be less than 10%. This is why I was disappointed. If Nvidia wants to catch up with ATI, this is their chance.

But reading the article you posted gives me hope. I guess they are right, "it is truly too early to speculate on performance, and S. Islands could yet have a trick or two up its sleeve. "

So then I will wait for more news from you .

 

well i really hope so.. i don't want NVDIA having a monopoly over the GPU market and giving us rebagged old tech.. rather have ATI with something newer each time however i'll be happy enough with a 5870.

 

They don't know that we haven't already learned so they're just speculating. They may most likely be right but we won't know until this new range of GPUs is released.

 

With expectations already that low you shouldn't have been so easily disheartened. :wink:

10-15% is what I would consider a minor improvement and if ATI changes nothing but the uncore on the new cards they should be able to at least produce that much of a performance bump.

There's still plenty ATI can get out of Evergreen without major changes to the architecture....especially in the mobile market where the 5000 series did not take much out of the die shrink.

 

Agreed!! 10-15% seems definitely possible..

 

Just because it isn't 28nm, doesn't mean it's just a 5% overclock and a re-brand of 5000. Who do you think they are, Nvidia?

 

28nm graphics comes in late 2011 - Graphics - Fudzilla

 

I guess that was to be expected but I have faith that the new 6xxx series will be a nice improvement to the mobile range. Transition from 4xxx to 5xxx on desktop parts brought major change while lowering power consumption, where as it wasn't really the same success on laptops. That makes me believe that ATI did kind of a sloppy job back then and can still squeeze a nice increase in performance of the 40nm at least on mobile parts.