Any Idea about Nvidia 800M series..

The GTX 700 are out now and i'm not buying a PC until the next year (sep 2014) so i gotta wait for the refresh of the Acer V3 772G with a GTX 860M..
Is there any clues about the next gen of Nvidia cards ?
It will be for sure a nice bump in terms of performance, and we need it because of the next gen

 

simple answer is no. not yet.

 

One idea is they wont work in any Clevos except a brand new model..

 

Clevos always lock their bioses ?

 

It has gotten worse as of late. 780m doesnt even work in last years EM series.

Of course we dont know if Clevo will have a different approach with the coming models but Im not betting on it.

 

the 780m works with the em with premas bios


GTX780M FUNDRAISER | Prema Mod

 

they want more money..

 

800M is coming out in Q1 2014. Wait a few more months.

 

That's not the point is it... He also has a warning, it can brick your machine.

I wouldn't recommend Clevo for anyone looking for a laptop that uses a MXM slot now.

 

Any idea about the 800M series? It will be more powerfull than the 700M series, that's for sure.

 

I wouldn't be sure about that until Nvidia announces that 800 series will be on 20nm or less fab. I don't think I'm the only one who believes Nvidia has pushed the TDP and performance limit of 28nm as far as it can go on MXM. Maybe slight faster but doubt will be a good enough reason why current 680M-780M user to upgrade.

 

800M are likely gonna be 20nm sooo, we cant expect a better perf per watt ratio..

 

Where did you get that? From what i am seeing we wont see 800m anytime soon.

 

Ye I know. I never said it would be much faster than 700M series, but it should be atleast a little bit.

 

I'm not a huge pc techy when it comes to the details such as this but if the 800m series turns out to be 20nm, what kind of performance jump are we expecting? 30%? 40%?

 

Same Fermi < Kepler was, so maybe even more than 30-40%.

 

I guess a GTX 880M would equal a GTX 780.

I also guess June next year. These things generally have yearly release dates. GTX 780M was June 2013.

 

Someone leaked information about Maxwell few days ago. Either someone making up stuff or an Nvidia employee posting anonymously.
Its pretty technical, but not far fetched. ARM processor will also be incorporated on the GPUs to offload tasks from the CPU to give them a boost to combat AMDs Mantle API.

This will most likely be what our GTX 880M will be based on.
A jump from 1536 cores to 3840 cores, 256bit > 320bit, plus all the other improvements written about in the link.

Apparantly 1SMX is now 256 cores (instead of Keplers 192 cores). GTX 680M had 1SMX removed from the GK104 (1536 cores - 192 cores), and had 1344 cores. So perhaps GTX 880M will be 3584 cores (3840 cores - 256 cores). Who knows

gm110 specs - Pastebin.com

 

Higher than 40%? How the hell are we going to cool these things then?

 

Is it Maxwell that's meant to have unified memory? Or is that Volta in 2015?

 

320bit? Nah I call fake. As discussed before mxm-b can do 256bit but that's about it.

 

I'm not as concerned about cooling as I am about powering. Even with die shrinks, the power consumption keeps going up because they cram so much more on into the GPU's. A 180W is barely capable of supporting a single 780m system. Soon we'll see 240W PSU's required for single GPU's. 500W+ PSU's will be needed for SLI systems. It's almost where it is defeating the purpose of having a laptop. Even if the system is portable it will require a gigantic PSU to lug around with it.

I also doubt it is 320-bit. Lots more shaders and faster vRAM sure, but it's probably quickly approaching limits of the MXM-b interface. Perhaps in the near future we will see a next gen of MXM slots after Maxwell.

 

I was answering the post above me that said the em doesn't work with the 780m. It works but with unofficial drivers. I understand what you guys are driving at but the context should read more like it's not supported officially.
Also if you've been around bioses and upgrades for a while, you should know that any vbios upgrade has the potential to brick a card/laptop so nothing new.

Sent from a Galaxy far, far away

 

Which is why new battery tech is way overdue! So are non-silicone chips but that's a different argument entirely.

 

It seems we have a divergence of power here. Most technology is going thinner, lighter, cooler, less power, while the gaming side is getting bigger, hotter, heavier, more power.

And at trvelbug's point, he is right. The BIOS flash brick comment is merely a disclaimer. You can brick any BIOS or Firmware. Usually only happens if you're not careful and don't pay attention or don't have a clue what you're doing. Thankfully Prema (and other BIOS patchers) usually make it seemless. Single file execution to update it without any interaction. It does suck that Clevo doesn't support it officially, but you still do have the option.

 

it does seem like it but it maybe due to economics. the desktop gaming market is still what drives the gaming industry, and in this segment being bigger, hotter, heavier has no disadvantages really.

downscaling things takes a lot of r n d and technical effort. i feel that gpu/laptop makers are not prepared to make that investment considering how limited the gaming laptop market is right now.

 

Well I guess phones and tablets are making the mobile graphic charge slowly so a mobile gaming revolution might be somewhere on the horizon. Samsung and LG's latest phones have already surpassed the 360 and the PS3.

 

I expect this :

GTX 860M : 960CC + 128bits/192bits + 2Gb/3Gb (depends if there is any GTX 865M)
GTX 870M : 1152CC + 192bits 3Gb
GTX 870MX : 1336CC +192bits 3Gb : appears just a while after the release of 875M as a NEW card with boost in clocks
GTX 875M : 1336CC + 192bits 3Gb
GTX 880M : 1536CC + 256Bits 4Gb
GTX 880MX : 1700~CC + 256Bits 4Gb

 

And the Xbox 360 and PS3 are 8 year old+ technology. I don't want to play games at 720p with bland textures and 30fps. I want 4k resolution with mega detailed textures at 120 FPS.

 

Then you probably want to invest in a desktop.

The only way that laptops are going to get any stronger without getting bigger and hotter is if we have a revolution in micro processing.

 

Well that's not the point. The point is that smaller manufacturing technologies are supposed to make things more efficient for power consumption AND heat, same performance as previous gen should run considerably cooler, and I guess it does, just that I guess they pack so much crap into those wafers now that it has the opposite effect.

 

Well considering they struggle to do 60hz 4k monitors at the moment, 120fps would be a little redundant

 

4k on laptops ? not now, 2500x1600 is more than enough plus it would eat too much GPU computing power..

 

Right, it was a bit of an exaggeration, but to say a handheld has the performance of an original XBOX or PS2 means nothing. I'd rather they push for high performance at 4k than being satisfied with Xbox or PS2 performance.

 

The future is here!

 

4k video is quite different from 4k rendering or even display Lot easier to put 4k in a camera sensor where you can have many broken pixels and just fudge it from its neighbour.

 

I know, it was meant to be a joke.

 

I wonder if I can upgrade my MSI GT70 Barebones Laptop from 780M to the 800M series....but i doubt it.

 

800m wont be here anytime soon, lol...just enjoy your 780m.

 

6 months most likely... not too far, but far enough.

 

Maybe desktop GTX800 but not mobile, it's always comes later.

From what i'm seeing nvidia is bringing GTX760/770ti and Titan ultra to match AMD R7/9 so even desktop GTX800 are not anywhere in sight.

 

they will as ever release them in june/july.. maximum..

 

See these:
Report: Nvidia Making Dual-GK110 Graphics Card
NVIDIA to launch more cards this year, Maxwell in Q1 2014 | VideoCardz.com
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/48394-maxwell-arriving-in-q1-2014/
AMD to launch Hawaii in Hawaii | SemiAccurate

Bottom line, Maxwell looks like it will be here Q1 2014 but not on 20nm fab process so the performance improvement won't be so significant as we had hoped. The 20nm fab won't start until about Q3 2014 which really shifts the schedule for video cards released with that process end of 2014. That's what I was waiting for, but it looks like at least a year wait now.

 

That is terrible news for me, I really want and need an upgrade, but I am going to wait for the new CPU's and GPU's and new laptop models, I know that there will always be something better around the corner, but my mind is set, and buying sooner will only make me regret not waiting, especially since I am planning on going all out 4000 dollar budget, I would feel really silly if something better,came out a few months later .

Oh well I guess I will have to wait a bit longer .

 

so we will have a BIG rebadge for mobile GPU's with a bump on frequencies !

 

Why is that surprise you? It's all we are getting for quite some time already...

 

780m already offers nice performance. An improvement in the architecture to allow it to operate with lower voltage while raising the clocks a bit is enough to keep mobile alive and well.

But as noted by many sources and users, we won't see any drastic changes in a while.

 

they will be launched 1 year before the 900 series are announced.

 

Hope that doesn't transform into a guessing game with same-name 8XXM GPUs on 28 nm and others on 20 nm.