Any non-sager/clevo 15" with 5870 planned?

Hey guys,

I've been really looking into a getting a laptop in the next few weeks or months, not very urgent now but will need soon. I pretty much do all on my laptop and my current one is dying (a good buddy over the years).

One thing I would like is a 5870 on my laptop (so badly) as I will be doing everything on it from gaming to work (development, documenting etc). Apart from gaming my work needs will demand some performance.

I want 15" so that it can be reasonably portable otherwise the Asus G73 and MSI 740 would have been nice. (Actually how big are they? the last two 17"'s I saw friends have which was a Mesh and Rock brand scared the crap out of me on how big it was).

Now a Sager wouldn't be bad but it's difficult to get it shipped here and I learned that laptop warranty is pretty important from my past experience.

So I'm wondering does anyone know if there are any laptops planned by say the likes of Dell or Asus with a 5870 in 15"(ish)? I just need a 5870 and the rest should fall into place

 

Alienware m15 has the HD5870 but it's more expensive than the Clevo and IMO the Clevo looks infinitely better.

With lid closed, the Asus is .6 inches at the front where your wrist will be. About 2 inches at the very back. The G73 slopes back pretty evenly so looking at it from the front, has a deceptively low profile. About 16.5 inches wide and 12.5 inches deep.

Ironically the G73 battery life will be better than the Alienware or Clevo 15" Also quieter. G73 quiet fans make it a great desktop replacement for work, for both you and co-workers.

Personally I'd go with Clevo is dimensions was an issue. But if it's weight, and costs, and looks, the then G73. G73 fits in very well with office setting.

 

Hmm the G73 definitely is a nice choice with 8gb ram and 5870 but size can be a problem for carrying around.

I was going to check the Alienware out but since its more expensive... one thing though maybe its just me but I really don't like the overly bold look of alienware...

Hmm i'm guessing nothing else announced in the future for 5870? An asus 15" G series would be cool with 5870.

 

The problem is HD5870 is considered a high end GPU for notebooks. So you won't see it unless it's for a high end gaming notebook. So you are stuck with Clevo, Alienware, MSI and Asus. And MSI and Asus will likely only use in their 17" + models.

Most people are more concerned about battery life on Notebooks so they really like the Nvidia 310/330 with the Optimus Technology or the ATi with their auto-switching graphics.

 

If you are ok with having just the next most powerful card of the line in a 15'' laptop you can look for the MSI 640 with the 5850 GPU.

 

Yeah seems like sager is the best bet for me at the moment, I may have to just trust in xoticpc and hope the sager has no issues while I have it.

I may be able to have it for roughly £1000 with currency conversion. Just within budget, I still have several weeks to go before I need it so i'll let it play out and see if there are any turning moments.

Like if Nvidia release a GPU to match the 5870 in the same form factor, one reason I would go for a Nvidia is due to better Linux support as I will be running it in dual boot for work purposes and ATI although great in all areas, just suck really badly at Linux.

 

5870's are supply locked as it is for the May 5th release for Xfire 5870's for the M17x.

Rumor is AW is waiting on Nvidia's fermi for any upgrade in GPU's for it, so no there wont be any 5870's for the M15x.

 

Well, at least Alienware users have the option to do so.

 

Ummm no.

Only a single 5870 is available for order right now in the M17x, xfire is being released within 2 weeks, go check. M15x HAS the capability to upgrade to 5870 but does not offer it.

 

Apologies have to re-read what you read more carefully.

 

Well since you edited your responses to reflect what you misread I guess I'll edit this post to respond to your other edit

AW is not gambling on fermi, its a supply issue, apparently the 5870 supply is thin and AW wants to ensure its M17x base that it has the appropriate amount of stock to handle the incoming flood for xfire 5870 orders. All that said it is a little questionable it is putting its 15' consumer base on the backburner but if mobile fermi does come in June as rumored M15x users wont be burned for that long.

 

that link you supplied only gives the option of a single 5870 or dual 4870, which is what it shows up for me when i go to my local customize site as well.

 

mtshadow, if you saw I apologized, why would you rub it in some more?

OP how important is gaming to you? HD5850 with 15" screen at say 1400*900 resolution IMO should be good? MSI GX640.

I think the 15" HP Envy has HD5830 which is almost on par with the GTX 260M

I believe you can still find 15" Asus with GTX 260M.

Also OP according to XoticPC, the MSI solution with the HD5870 17" is actually lighter in weight than the 15" Clevo.

 

hey mate, well actually i wasn't trying to rub it in, i didn't see his post regarding it or your correction,(when i clicked the quote button you hadn't corrected it) i was simply pointing out that it wasn't dual 5870's, so id appreciate you not presuming things ok

so whats the difference between the 5870 and the 5850/30, i have the GTX260m in my notebook and im also upgrading this year, was thinking of going with the alienware M17x with either the dual 4870's or a single 5870

 

From what I read, haven't done the research, stick with your GTX260M. Only upgrade if you plan on getting the HD5870 or whatever the next FERMI will be.

The HD5850 comes in two flavors. GDDR5 and GDDR3, seems to make a difference.

 

well the main reason i wish to upgrade is im doing much more work on my notebook these days and find the 15" screen a little to small, and id like to have i7 tech as well........so it looks like ill be heading towards the M17x with the HD5870 does anyone know if the M17x will have the room to support dual 5870's in the future?

 

Yes.

DELL rep on facebook said the single 5870 card will come with a connector to upgrade to a second if you wish to manually install....but why do that when the order for dual 5870's is May 5th?

 

Better order now. You can bet there will be a large backorder on that Actually bet there is probably already a back order now. I've read people having called Alienware to change their current orders of CF 4870s to CF 5870s...

Personally if you are going to wait, I'd wait to see if Clevo will offer the CF 5870 and go with them.

For HD5870 Notebooks designs.

1). Asus G73JH - Sleek, sexy and awesome. Love the plain matte look. Looks great at home and at work or anywhere I go. Receive nice compliments after the remark of shock, WOW they make laptops that big? Then they go on to compliment it.

2). Clevo W870CU - While it's bulky, enormous, it's still has a nice matte finish, simple design. Other than the fan noise, it would look fine in a work meeting.

3). MSI GX740 - Flashy, not a fan of brushed aluminum (scratch easy), and gaudy red. Borderline embarrassed to be seen with one.

4). Alienware M15x or M17x - I'd be embarrassed to ever be seen with one of those. Definitely would not use in a meeting, I'd leave it behind and bring a netbook instead

 

Gaming is important but doesn't need to be highest priority. It's just you could say this laptop will be used for everything so I would like it capable.

I would go for the 5850 in MSI 640 but the CPU is really bad and I need a decent CPU for my work not just gaming. Minimum i5 540 but preferrably a i5 620 (or was it 640?)

The only thing stopping me from an Asus G73 and MSI 740 is their size, 15" I believe is already big enough.

As it stands it seems Sagerreally is my only option and no one else has plans for 5870 on a 15" .... I wouldn't mind dropping to a 5850 minimum but CPU must be good or atleast customizable.

I tried to customize the MSI 640 on xotic PC and just a cpu upgrade to a i5 540 already puts it similiar to the sager!

HP would be great as they are a big brand, easy to buy everywhere and warranty can be done here (UK) but I atleast expect a 5850 in there.

 

Before writing off the 17" spend sometime in a computer store. Really get a feel for the 17" and compare it to the 15.6"

If you are planning to do a lot of work as you say, I'm pretty confident you will appreciate the extra viewing space. The reason I went for 17" is because I also use my G73 as an all purpose computer. I spent 10X more time viewing the internet, researching, doing work related work, watching anime than I game. I game about 1-2 hours a day, but use my G73 8-12 hours a day.

 

your best bang for buck is def the g73 if you dont mind carrying a 17inch.
i think its only drawback is the fact that its gpu is proprietary and that upgrading components are not that easy. as least those are the comments i always see online.
upgradability and accesibility of components are one of the major advantages of a 8690/8760 however. but do note that battery life is only 1 hour orso since it only comes with a 3cell battery. if thats important to you, best to look elsewhere.

 

yeah i currently own a clevo and im really happy with the performance it has given me, unfortunately because im not in America if something was to go wrong with it id have some hassle finding a repair centre and at worst id have to ship it overseas.........Dell/Alienware are represented where i live so warranty factors will not be an issue......

 

Well, if you want the most powerful 15", Sager/Clevo is your only option. For 15", Sager/Clevo has held the most powerful 15" almost all the time and never surpassed, while for their 17" and above it's always a tussle between alienware and Sager/Clevo. For M15x, for now, you can only upgrade to the 5870M if you buy a 5870M card yourself and change it yourself, it's fine if you don't mind the hassle of reselling your old card and probably put up with further loss from resale of the card. It's no wonder that Alienware will give the best to their M17 first, their M15 is still using 260M when even 280/285M was available.

If you can't get a Sager, a MSI GX640 is a good choice, 5850 is not that much weaker than a 5870 with a GDDR5. For the CPU though, if you really want a better CPU, you can either swap the CPU yourself (which voids the warranty and kind of defeats the purpose of getting anything non-sager), or you can wait for the 15" MSI whitebook to comeout so that it can be customized with a better CPU.

 

You don't miss a chance to crap on AW do you? I like both designs, but its a bit hypocritical of you to say you'd be embarrassed with an AW when the G73 is just as 'embarrassing' looks-wise.

 

AW don't have CF 5870, only single card 5870 as well, it was a mistake they placed on their website and they've already took it down.

 

Oh yeah? Thought someone here had confirmation of a May 5th release on those?

 

Don't take it so seriously. Trust me AW fans don't miss a chance to crap on the G73 in the ASUS FORUM also. The G73 owners and benchmark thread is full of AW owners crapping on it and saying buy AW, Asus sucks.

But I still like this forum, just the nature being able to express your views. And it's not hypocritical, AW is on the lowest on my list for any notebook category because of their IMO, "obnoxious" appearance.

 

lol yeah if SOMEONE I.E. fzfh read the entire thread we already established

1.We know AW isnt offering xfire yet but has single cards that come with a connector.
2.It's (xfire) coming May 5th

The rest of what you guys are arguing about looks and blah blah blah is all subjective, I mean here's pictures of side-by-sides of the M17x and the G73h, they both look pretty obnoxious and sexy at the same time.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1397324.html

 

Well, never said that M17X won't ever have 5870CF, just that it doesn't have 5870CF right now like how the thread in alienware forum is kind of misleading one to think if the entire thread is not read.

 

Yeah I think your right, maybe I shouldn't write a 17" off so quickly, I may have to go to my local eletronics store and check out a few 17" laptops.

Although previous 17" laptops haven't left a good impression on me, they were just big and clunky.

I'm guessing there still isn't an Asus G73 or MSI 740 in the UK yet? G73 looks better with a full HD screen.

 

Both the Clevo and G73 use the same 17.3" screen which has a great ratings so far. The only screen that seem to be better is the one in the Dell Precision Notebook.
- Colors are excellent
- Viewing angle is average
- Contrast for black is the best
- Contrast for white above average but not as good as the Dell.

For MSI it's 1680*1050 res I believe.

 

Definitely shows that Alienware puts in more money into their gaming notebooks than Asus. Asus looks just like any regular notebook out there, meanwhile M17x looks like a real gaming notebook. Also M17x now has 5870 in Crossfire selectable in configuration and damn cheap too.

 

you can get a G73 in Uk.. only thing is the price is inflated like hell.. almost 1700 pounds... its cheaper to import using us reseller.. if u really want a g73 , there's a 2 week wait

http://www.asuslaptop.co.uk/products.php?idpart=G73JH

As for MSI GX740 , i doubt its out in US... u can get a Sager NP8690 but it will be rebranded and about 1600 pounds... u can get it at

www.kobaltcomputers.co.uk

just for ur info , i went to dell.com and configured M17x.. the 2 options were 4870 crossfire and 1 single 1GB ATI 5870... so no crossfire... and seriously , price wise, alienware is a rip off... anyways , looks like ur a NVDIA , Dell/Alienware fanboy...

 

Nah, you just snap whenever someone mentions any negative about Asus, you are just too funny.

Boring doesn´t mean it´s bad, I assume you knew that. I just think the Alienware looks better, I think the Sager too is just like any other regular notebook out there. I am more in for lit up keyboards and notebooks in general.

Hmm wonder who´s annyoing, your buddy Sean that snaps directly when I mentioned a single line that the Asus looked boring. You must have some serious issues.

 

To answer the op, at this time we don't know anything about a 15" with 5870 other than Clevo. However you can purchase an Alienware M15x and put your own 5870 in there.

 

Wow, what a rip off...
Just configured m17x with single ATi5870...
$2473...
teh same configuration MSI GX740 comes @ $1399.

$1000 more for flashy buttons? no thanks.


The option for upgrading the 240/260m in the m15x sounds more viable.
$1400 base price. + $300 5870 = $1700...
still thats a lot.

 

Yeah Ken @ GenTech claims the GX740 other than the obvious dimensions feels like a 15" being as thin as it as and as light as it is.

If you don't need 8GB of ram, 1080p screen and dual HDDs, then I think this is a great deal!

 

By all means post factual information about alternative laptops or other good options to consider (if the OP wants to hear them), but if you have nothing useful to contribute, don't flame others who like different types of laptops or post a bunch of one-liners. I've deleted a bunch of posts, and if the discussion continues to spiral into a trolling war, infractions will be handed out. Thank you.

 

OP good luck with your find. You may want to check out the MSI GX640, seems to be a beast and the HD5850 with GDDR5 is performing very well. There is a good review posted and the dimensions are excellent. Very thin and light considering what the notebook is capable of. That's my #1 choice for 15" gaming notebook.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/474857-msi-gx640-098us-review.html

 

flameflameflameflame

the moral of the story behind all the bickering is that the MSI GX640 is your win laptop. i think it looks pretty snazzy aswell, subtle yet still underlyingly flashy. me want.

 

The MSI 640/740 is currently the second best 15" right now (behind the sager of course). Also regarding about weight and size, the AW is the heaviest of the brands.

 

noo.. Asus G73 all the way but as for 15 inch , i still think the sager is better if u don't mind the battery life.. anyways , can't u get a 12 cell for it?

 

This is becoming difficult to choose, I am really put off by the Sager's 3 cell... i mean seriously that's practically no portability. Unless of course it can be upgraded to a 6-12 cell without having a massive chunk sticking out.

I can consider other options, the MSI 640x is definitely attractive but i'm put off by 2 things, first and mainly the CPU, i need a decent CPU ideally a 540/620. Second a full HD screen would be ideal.

At this moment i don't mind a 5850 if that is planned in the future for any of the laptops.

Also are there any UK retailers for the Asus G73?

 

Yes there are some retailers in Uk. Its cheaper to just buy it from US website and imported there. The prices on UK is insane. Also The G73 IMO is not that heavy. I experienced it in person and the profile of the laptop is really low (slim). However its also wide.

The huge vent in the back really works. Its awesome.

 

there are uk resellers but price is higher... cheapest way is to import using a online us retailer like xoticpc.com or gentechpc.com... other option in UK is to buy from Asus Laptop - UK Best Deal Sale Laptops Buy Notebook Computer Discount UK - Buy On-Line Laptops and Accessories for Business and Home... or Play.com (UK): DVDs, Music CDs, MP3s, Video Games, Books, Electronics & Gadgets - Free Delivery... they both have it but u need to wait for 2 weeks... u can get it of ebay but slightly more expensive but u get it in a day.. someone has bought from asuslaptops and the ebay seller.. link if u want

ASUS G73JH Laptop Core i7 2.8GHz ATi 5870 G73 M17x M15x on eBay (end time 13-May-10 11:57:28 BST)

 

It seems no one provides the option to upgrade the Sager's battery from a 3 cell so guess that means bigger sizes don't fit...

 

MSI GX740 from gentech pc
remove the bluray
you get
i7 + 5870 for $1303...

 

but no full HD screen and 4 RAM slots like G73? Also no blue ray...

 

It's still a phenomenal deal.

You have to look at the dimensions of this beast and look at it from that perspective. It's got the current top CPU, the i7 and current best GPU, the HD5870 and it only weighs around 7 lbs and at thickest point only 1.38 inches tall with the lid closed. That's amazing if you ask me.