Anyone else losing interest/passion for enthusiast laptops?

The problem with Razer is their service and support and elite attitude. They make a sleek, sexy laptop, but design it to run at the thermal limits and throttle only because they want to be the thinnest and lightest. With some ingenuity and sacrificing the "I'm the thinnest" egotistical sales point, they could make one really kick-ass laptop. I'm more jaded by the company attitude than their products.

I even bought one of their laptops, had an issue with it, and had nothing but a nightmare experience and rude and unprofessional interaction from their team. Needless to say I won't touch another one of their products.

 

We're probably never going to escape hyperbolic comments, but at least it seems now that your average user is starting to understand that the extreme viewpoints are just that and not worth getting stressed about.

 

My Razer story was just an example, the usual unhelpful extremist line for "thin and lights" is they break after 6 months. Which is false and doesn't help anyone.

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Looking at the EVOC 16L-G-1080 from hidevolution. Basically a GT62 barebones that uses LGA CPUs.

http://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-16l-g-1080-custom-built-gaming-desktop-replacement-laptop.html

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Oh I agree. I'm not a fan of it, but also doesn't bother me so much. As an enthusiast I understand the desire for replaceable components. I was there for a while myself. But BGA is fine for most people. problem is that it just cuts down on CPU and GPU options because it's more board combinations that have to be kept for service. Not to mention having a CPU or GPU go bad you have to replace everything, and if you had a good overclocked component, you lose it.

 

There's probably two groups of users in this forum - the hardware enthusiasts and the gamers, and then there's those who are in between.

Despite what most people assume being an enthusiast doesn't mean you're a gamer. There's a few here I know who demand the most performance from their laptop but seldom game on it. They want the absolute best hardware for the money and the ability to push the limits in benchmarking. For this group of users I certainly understand their concern at the current situation of socketed laptops

As for me, I would say I'm somewhere in between. I would certainly love the best hardware for my money but I couldn't afford any of the decent socketed machines atm, and I don't have the time to game as much as I used to, especially the latest titles. Hence I'm happy with my AW 17R3, despised by the enthusiast community, but it's certainly more than enough based on my current situation and usage.

 

It doesn't seem like there's a lack of socketed CPU accepting units. Clevo has a few and MSI has some. Honestly, the straight benchmarking and not gamers group is an extremely small group, and there's a small group of companies creating hardware that's practically catering to them (and people that want oodles of CPU power for other-than-gaming reasons in a portable form) for them. It seems like that market is served. I'm going to buy one. For different reasons since I don't care at all about benchmarking. But, the choice is obviously there since I found one. For the "gamers" which are enthusiasts, but a different kind of enthusaist. It is correct that BGA is more than enough to feed the current GPUs for games. I will most likely run that LGA unit underclocked most of the time to keep the fans low. I just want something quiet and relatively light and I think I might have found it.

If the 4lb thin and lights were quieter I wouldn't have even looked for something else. It just happens the one that will finally probably work for me is socketed. I'm sacrificing 2lbs sitting on my lapdesk. I'm sure my use case is probably just as unique as people that will sacrifice a lot of other aspects of a laptop to get the very highest benchmarks possible, which is i'm trying not to bother others in the room when I game. And I want to game sitting in my lazyboy with a lapdesk. I know this is extreme edge case. An extra two lbs sitting on your legs can get tiring after a while, and I'm not a small person (6,2 195)

 

This is pretty important to consider when you wade into a forum debating BGA. There are still LGA units and they're not going anywhere.