Anyone not buying Battlefield 3 because of Open Beta?

Just curious. Have any of you guys here on NBR decided not to buy the game after having played the Open Beta?

 

And, if you made such a choice, did you get to play Caspian border, or just Metro Rush?

Just a heads up to anyone worried about the game based on the beta's state as far as bugs, balance, squad awkwardness, or the Metro Rush map being terrible, I would at least look at some candid reviews (youtube users, for example) who had the chance to play caspian, or even a later build at the nvidia event thing, in case you change your mind before the game is released, to get the benefit of karkland bundled with the purchase.

Otherwise, at the very least, I would revisit the issue at some point after the launch craze.

If you weren't happy because of the somewhat awkward web browser launcher... well... that may be here to stay.

 

Both. Although I never got to go on one of the jets.

 

I won't be buying it because....

'planed' DLC: I'm not paying more/preordering for something that should be included in the game from the beginning.
origin only
crappy online server browser
etc...

 

All DLC is planned DLC. This type of game development costs on the order of 100 million dollars. They planned out all the DLC in advance, as well as all the other logistics. There's too much on the line not to. The best you can ask for is that they plan out their time so that if they release DLC, that it makes sense from more than just a financial perspective. In other words, if the DLC is completely finished when the game launches, they should have launched the game sooner or bundled the DLC into the main game. Activision and Call of duty in particular has had some issues with this recently.

As it stands, they are working on Back to Karkland. It's a pretty full expansion with different maps, weapons, and vehicles compared to the main game, and the release date is TBD as far as I know.

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I'm with you on not liking origin just because I want to use steam.

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The server browser I'm also with you. I have mixed feelings about it. I like it, but I don't want it to be the ONLY way to launch the game. They need to package a single executable.

 

I like the idea of planned DLC. I'd rather buy a $50, and if I like it, accumulate $30 more of DLC over the next year or so, then have the same game cost $80 out-of-the-box whether I end up liking it or not. For Mass Effect 2, I ended up buying just about every piece of DLC they released. For Dragon Age: Origins, I ended up not buying any.

 

The thing is, it should be included in the game, not sold as an extra from the get-go.


IMO something like the BF2, BC2, oblivion, etc expansions are fine, but when a game is released and DLC is already available...

 

You will not be able to sell that for $80 when youre done with it; and this is assuming you like it because you decided to buy $30 of content for it.

Games have a high depreciation value, especially when the next one comes out.

 

DLC is not available from the getgo for BF3. I'm not sure if that's where the confusion is. If you preorder, you get the DLC when it's released, in the future, to be determined. Most likely Q1 2012 is my guess.

I'm not sure how resale value factors into DLC discussion. Resale outlook for all video games, especially on the PC, is not very good. It's becoming more or less impossible, with digital accounts that don't support trading used games.

 

what about the karkand and warfare packs?

 

I am pretty sure everyone gets those, but pre orders will get earlier access.

 

karkland will be available when they finish it for $10-15. it's not done. it might be done later this year or early next year.

warfare pack is a timed exclusive of a few weapons and weapon add ons. After the timed exclusivity period is up, it will be free for everyone. No one will have to pay for the warfare pack. Players who preorder from certain retailers will get exclusive access, just for a few weeks.

 

I'm not buying BF3 until the full game is released and I see some good reviews. I've made too many mistakes by pre-ordering, and will never do it again (ex, a game comes out and then stinks...or it goes on sale 1 month later).

Games wait for me. I don't wait for games.

 

So would you rather that $80 worth of game be available only as a $80 package with everything included from day one? Because the alternative you want--where you get the game's content AND all the DLC content for just the current price of the game--just isn't going to happen. It'd be awesome, but it's not going to happen, for the same reason that BMW won't sell a 335i for $15,000. There's just too much design that's gone into it to sell it all at that price.

 

I think THIS is a really good point. Just because previous games in a series have been good, doesn't guarantee the next will. Call this the "Final Fantasy 8 phenomenon."

Every time a loading screen pops up, your computer is secretly laughing at you

 

The marketing and the hype basically just beat me to a pulp, but you're totally right. There's really no reason to put up the money in advance unless you are dying for day 0 access. The best deals will come later. Unfortunately, there will sort of be a dead-zone through christmas and very early next year where the best deal will have been available via preorder. I think the cheapest was $40 on amazon, with karkland.

If you have to buy karkland separately, you'll have to pick it up the base game for about 29.99 to match that deal. I think that'll happen at some point relatively early next year. Might even include karkland, who knows.

If a few dollars one way or the other isn't important and you want to make sure the game is good before you buy it, you should definitely wait until launch. If you don't mind waiting a while (past christmas) you can probably get the game for $20 6-9 months out. Otherwise it's $40 with some risk and a little added value with karkland, if you were fast on amazon. Maybe $45-50 otherwise.

 

What I really mean there is....I pre-ordered the 2-pack of Portal 2 for my friend and I.

Come release day, I was really tied down with work, and couldn't spare the break in my mindset to get things done so I put my games aside for like 3 or so weeks.

By time we got around to playing it, portal 2 was on sale for 35 bucks a pop. If I had just waited to buy it when I was ready to play it, could have saved 30 bucks instead of 15 from the 2-pack pre-order...

So the game was waiting for me to play it. I was not waiting to play the game.

 

I was never going to buy it in the first place. While it looks pretty I don't think it's really all that ground breaking.

The only way I'll get it is if it becomes available on steam and they ditch battlelog and whatever other DRM they will likely include on the release version.

 

After playing the beta on the clunky origin interface I can say for a fact unless they get go steam I'm not buying this game. Origin has to be one of the worst interfaces I've ever used, and I used Vista beta >.> I hope they really rethink that whole strategy because I'd rather use my pc than the Xbox 360 for fps gaming

 

Well, Origin was a bummer. But after passing all that, minutes later. I think you'll find value that's worth passing through hoops.

 

I disagree, I'm not going to jump through hoops for EA and tell them I'll buy anything they release. While it looks like a nice game (were it not for what EA have done to it), I don't think it's worth me paying to say I'll follow eveyone else and buy something like a mindless sheep.

I disagree with what EA have done and I'm not buying on principle, I don't give a damn what how amazingly mind-blowingly awesome the game is or that I'll supposedly instantly cream myself from awe.

 

I preordered BF3 based on my first impressions of the Alpha.
The beta version was just horrible.

 

I'm lining up to get my copy on Tuesday.

 

Baka is not getting it because of origin

Baka prefers to have all of Baka's games on steam.

 

I don't preorder games because I don't believe in shelling out cash in advance. I'll probably buy it next weekend, though.

 

Trying to avoid it because i hate EA.

 

Yeah, I am not buying it. I was on the fence for a bit due to me not liking Origin as a download platform, but after playing the alpha and beta it reminded me that I am not THAT into shooters unless I play with some friends.

Then I read about the supposed better impressions with the closed beta participants and vehicles etc, and it said it was like BF BC2 so I decided NOT to buy it at all, even if it comes to steam as I most probably won't even be playing it.

It does suck to be Origin only though. Had it been on steam, I might have bought it due to peer pressure from friends, but via Origin it is an absolute nope.

 

downloading it now but only for the single player.
i wouldnt buy it if it was just the multiplayer. like battlefield 2 i found too many sniper campers and gave up on the beta quite early due to them.

 

No, that would be stupid. A beta is a beta. Although BF games have a history of being unstable on release, who cares.

It's Battlefield for gods sake. It is THE multi-player shooter. Of all time.

 

Might go MW3 first, just because I think the campaign will be better. Hopefully there might be a few price drops for BF3 when I finally pick it up. But from what I've seen from the BETA, it looks awesome.

 

Why do so many people hate Origin? I asked if anyone wasn't buying the game because of their experience with the beta but many of you guys posted that Origin is keeping them from buying it. What's so bad about it? I use it for Crysis 2, Dead Space 2, etc and haven't had any problems with it. Also you don't need to have origin on in order to play origin games so I just add the shortcut to my steam game list and run the games straight off of steam.

 

Origin was part of the beta experience. I don't personally mind origin so much, although I would *prefer* steam. However, I do mind the nonsense web launcher system that forces you to alt-tab to change servers, and how you end up with 3 applications open just to play the game (web browser, origin, the game itself). I know you don't technically need origin open, but it's annoying that the game is there in your games list, and then just opens a link to their website.

The web browser server launcher is an improvement in many ways. I really just wish they would roll that into a single package. Why they don't just implement a simple web-kit based browser and make a single coherent application is beyond me.

 

I think the main problem with origin is that it is not Steam. Steam works great. They have good sales, and they have most everything. Origin doesn't work quite as well as steam. Also I have never had a steam game not work. But I have had serious issues with my copy of Crysis Warhead on origin. To be brief, they have a lot of issues that are not resolved. I spent so much time on the phone with then trying to fix Crysis, that at my hourly wage I probably could have bought the game ten times over on steam. Problems shouldn't take that long to fix.

 

Even if it worked perfectly, part of the issue is that steam is a game platform, and it's annoying having to deal with games that aren't integrated with it. It's even more annoying having to deal with games that aren't compatible with it at all, like BF3 (first major game that's not going to work with steam)

 

I'm not buying it because I cant run it well enough.

 

hahaha I love your answer in a thread full of hate ea/origin. It makes sense. it doesn't run well enough for me also. Looking at the fps counter I'm getting 28-32 no matter what setting, but I'm buying it because I have hope that they will optimize it.

 

Even if it is as optimized as can be, running it in a really low res to achieve just 30 fps on all low is just not worth it for me haha.

 

the reason you were getting those fps was because you had the settings maxed and once you change the settings you must log out of bf3 then log back in.

 

I am still confused... ran OK on my dekstop, but didn't play too much. Caspian border was pretty awesome, but for some reason found the game kinda 'jerky', just didn't play smooth, even averaging 50+ fps on low...

It kinda sucks, as one thing I really wanted to get from the beta was how the game would run, but considering how old the beta was, it doesn't appear to be a good indicator at all

Perhaps if we get dx 10 options (the beta was dx 11 wasn't it?) my slightly oldish gpu would handle it better...

Might have to beg a friend to let me trial the game on my desktop when released, or look at alternate means

 

I knew that been reading the tweak guides and forums since beta started. the graphics quality is noticeable between the settings but the min fps (28) stays the same for me at all settings. the average is noticeably higher on medium but when it fluctuates from 56-28 its best to keep everything on ultra and have it around 35-28.

 

I didn't like how Battlelog worked so that detracted me severely from buying it with my own money. Apparently though someone else is giving me a copy from Day 1 as a gift so I am not really complaining either...

I can handle Origin, but Battlelog was a farce to be reckoned with though. It was probably their (DICE) dumbest idea to date.

 

perhaps its cpu limited on your machine, what are your specs?

 

I'll elaborate on why I dislike origin.

While it might work fine (especially given that it's only been around for a few months), it's still a different platform. If EA manage to push origin into the market for good then what's to stop other companies from trying the same, since they know they have a chance? If that continues then in a few years all my games will be spread all over the place instead of just having them all in one handy place (aka steam).

Secondly steam is a fairly open platform which will sell most games regardless of who made them, they also have great sales. Origin will only ever sell EA games, major flaw.

 

they are an open platform which dominates the online sales. do we really want one company to control prices? if valve wants to make money by selling dlc content wont the developers raise prices to balance off the share they give to valve? im glad theres competition maybe it will lead to better treatment of customers, services and prices.

 

I just don't want 50 different application stores running, or managing 50 accounts, for 50 different games.

I think what we need is a not-for-profit application storefront specific for games, or that gets their profit by some means other than charging consumers or game developers directly.

 

I agree 100%, i think it was so annoying to have to launch games from the web browser... I mean what the hell? I would much prefer an in-game server browser...

 

I'm with you. I think it's cool as an option, and that it's great you can access battelog through any device with a browser, but why do I HAVE to use a web browser to launch the game?

 

Wow surprising. Biggest complaint is Origin and would prefer Steam.

Which has almost nothing to do with the game. I could really care
less how I start a game up and really I can manage my own
games if necessary.

 

Except that it isn't surprising at all? They had an ingame browser that worked just fine throughout BC2, and a game that functioned normally and played well with steam... why go back and try to re-invent the wheel, and have it come out a triangle? Requiring a plugin for your browser in order to play an online game that you PAID for is an abomination of a system. You'd expect this sort of thing from a free to play MMO, not a $60 AAA title.

People have boycotted and hated on games for less than this (see: ubisoft DRM) and in the end ubisoft caved and eventually removed the DRM. It didn't matter that assassins creed was fun, enough people complained and it did seem to hurt their potential sales. BF3 is a little different because so many people loved BF2 and it has been so hyped up to now, so many people will just grumble, roll over and take it.

I'm taking the wait and see approach, because there is no doubt in my mind that the game will ship as a bugfest (see BC2), and by the time the bugs are fixed and it's all patched up we might have a bit more news on a steam release. At the very least, we won't hear anything, but the game will be patched.

 

Unfortunately, it's not happening for this title. You can certainly wait for the bug fixes.