Asus G1S OC GUIDE !!! 4765 3DMarks w/pictures inside!!! [#2]

Hey folks,


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I'm gonna kepp adding updated notes (as soon as I test new stuff) at the end of this post, please don't forget to read it.
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First of all, I'm not trying to show off or anything like that... I'm just glad I've done some nice benckmarks on my ASUS G1S and wanna share my results w/you... cause if it wasn't for all the info and help I've gathered here in this forum for the last couple of months, none of that would ever been possible to me.


CPU OC:

My note came w/an Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 @ 2.2Ghz CPU. However, everyone knows that all the Core 2 processors are made the same way, and most of all, at the same time TOGETHER! Thus, only a small margin in their clock speeds would determine whether they're a Core 2 Duo T7300 or a T7800... Which means that if you're lucky, you could actually get a better CPU than what you've paid for!

But in order to discover that for sure, without risking your CPU too much, there are some tricks you oughta know first:


1) Download this software called CPU Stability Test 6.0 here.

It's an old software but it still works flawless, even under a Vista x64 OS!!!

Then, after you DL it, just install and run the program selecting the "CPU Warming Only" MODE, in order to test your CPU's temperature limit at its default clock speed (very important! Do NOT test it while performing any OC!)... leave the program running for a couple of minutes and then write down somewhere what was it's highest temp (in order to know the temperatures, download the Speed fan, Motherboard Monitor, or any other temp monitoring software... and leave it opened and running while performing the warming test!).

After that, you will know FOR SURE what's the highest temperature your CPU was designed to work under full load.

Now, use the same program again (the CPU Stability) but set it on the "normal testing" MODE and again leave the test running for a couple of minutes.

After this last test, you'd notice that even that the CPU usage during the test was also 100% (as the first warming test), the CPU's temperatures actually got around 6 ºC or more degrees lower than the first one.

And that's because even under full load, your CPU isn't meant to reach its maximum working temperature (unless you use an specific program to heat it up, LOL).

Anyway, all that had a purpose: now you KNOW what's the highest temperature your CPU can operate without tosting!!!!


2) If you have one of the CPUs/Motherboards supported by the Set FSB Program you can go ahead and download the software here.

Once you have downloaded the program, run it as explained in the thread below:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=184708

and then, after each new FSB and core speed you set, run the CPU Stability Test on the NORMAL TESTING MODE (dont even think about using the Warming mode, or you'll BURN your CPU!) for some minutes and make sure it won't get higher than those temperatures of the first warming test you'd performed at stock speed.


Finally, doing all those simple steps, you'd get a nice and safe CPU OC! Pretty easy, huh?


VGA OC

The Asus G1S has a Geforce 8600m GT (similar to the new Geforce 9500m GS) w/ 256MB GDDR3 and up to 1GB DDR2 Turbocache.

The mobile version of the Geforce 8600 GT is quite the same as the desktop version of it (as both share the same 32 Stream Processors). The only differences are the smaller shape and lower clock, and shader speeds.

The Geforce 8600 GT for desktops has 540MHz of core clock speed, 1180MHz of Shader and 700 MHz of memory speed, against the 475MHz and 950MHz, in both core and shader clock speeds of their mobile counterpart.

Nvidia reduced those speeds because they intended to put those Geforces 8600m GT in up to 15" and even lower sized laptops, and those would not have the proper space to hold a dedicated cooling solution for the videocard, thus to avoid overheating, they had to drop the speeds.

Actually that was the main reason why later on they released the Geforce 8700m GT exclusively to over 17" sized notebooks, which was basically a 8600m GT w/a dedicated fan and without the reduced clock speeds.

Therefore, if you wanna attempt any OC on your note's VGA I strongly recommend to get yourself an external cooling solution, cause as I told before, your notebook has NONE over its GPU!!! And make sure it's a good one... cause even the "good ones" (made by Zalman and Cooler Master) won't lower the heat that much.


1) Buy an external cooling solution;


2) Go to http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/ and download the latest driver for your OS.

However, you must have in mind that not necessarily the latest driver released will be the one that would suits you best... in my particular case, the only one that happened to WORK and OC alright on my Vista x64 was the 169.25 version.


3) Donwload the Riva turner 2.03 build (w/the x64 tweek) if you're using an x64 OS or any other program (Ntunes, ATITools, etc..) if you're running a Windows XP or Vista 32 bits OS.


4) Turn on your GPU monitor software and make sure you would keep record of your temperature log, then play a graphical demanding game (like COD4, Crysis, etc...) for like 30 min and then check which was the highest temp your VGA got while playing the game.

If it was below 100 ºC degrees during intensive gameplay, you'd still have room for some tweeking... but in most of cases, your VGA would stand up to 5 ºC degrees more than its stock heating limit... without risking to burn it.

So, if during Crysis you got around 90 ºC degrees your overclocking limit would be something around 95 ºC tops.

Thus, your should increase your VGA's clock speeds, step by step until you reach that heating limit.


Well... I think that's all... hope you can all achieve great benchmarks w/your laptops!


I'm gonna add some thumbs next, mostly pictures of the OC, along with some of my notebook and my bedroom (?)... Heuheueheu...


But if you still have got any more questions about this little "guide", just ask me and I'll try to answer asap! GL.


























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*** New Driver and Performance Increase!


On the begining extremely septical about the upcoming results, I'd started testing some of the new drivers released by Laptop2go.

Everything was going bad... many bugs and poor to NONE performance increase with most of the drivers, until I tested the
ForceWare X 174.31 driver.

Well, I gotta tell you something... this was one of the best performances boost I've ever got from installing a new driver! The results were great! As you can check on the image below:





Before this new driver my best score on 3DMark06 was 4.765 points with CPU @2.6GHz and GPU @540/1150/755.

The performance increase was huge, even because the GPU was clocked with a slower OC at the time of the test, as showed on the image (@520/1040/750).

The only thing I didn't like, was that somehow this new driver has increased my GPU's temperature like hell, making it jumps from the usual 96 ºC under full load to over 101 ºC !!! It got so hot, that even the CPU temperature had increased as well.


*** Radical "cooling mod"


In order to solve this temperature issue, I needed to take a radical approach, that's why I removed the CPU cover from the back of my laptop and leave it opened, making it easy for the air flowing from the cooling pad to come in....

This is a temporary solution, I must say, but still I can't deny that the results were pretty appeling... as you can see on the next image:





Thus, I'm planning to leave it opened from time to time, at least while I'm gaming at home.

 

Thats some manly deodorant spray you've got there.

 

Actually, it isn't a deodorant spray... it's a perfume: 212 by Carolina Herrera.

 

Awesome stuff.

Whats the temp difference between OC and non OC CPU? Also how much extra performance?

 

Interesting guide. However when I try to run the "CPU Warming only" in CPU Stability Test 6.0 @ default clock my laptop will just stop responding once I clicked start everytime... I can run the "Normal Testing" no problems. Running Windows XP Pro 32-bit here with a notebook cooler.

 

Nice score. However, I noticed that you have your notebook closed while you use an external monitor. I was going to do the same but I heard that your screen can become damaged if you leave it shut like that. The heat can rise through the keyboard, that is less then an inch away when closed, and hurt your screen. Im not sure if this is a fact, but if it is, even with a cooler, that extra heat generated by OCing cant help the situation.

Still, nice OC

 

yeah, i was thinking of playing with my notebook lid closed, but i'm afraid the heat will go out from the keyboard and may slow down the heat circulation if the lid is closed...

 

Thanks.

1) The differences between OC'ed and non OC'ed CPUs under full load were around 3~4 ºC, as shown in the pictures below:

@2.2GHz



@2.6GHz




2) Using Super PI, the CPU performance gain was around 20%, as you can see on the image next:

Thanks, again.

Mate, I've been using this notebook with its lcd screen closed for like 2 months (since my new 26" full HD LCD arrived...) and so far it's still working with no apparent damage to the LCD (from time to time I take it for a walk and carry the laptop to my GF's house...).

But, thanks for the warning... I'm planning to leave it w/the LCD open more often now!

 

No way, my GPU's score on the Vista Experience Index is

5.9: for Aero
5.3: for gaming

How could the 8600M GT have only 0.3 better than my 8400M GT? i thought it was 2x as fast?

 

Those CPU temps would worry me if I were you.
My Cpu hits about 68C maximum, and the GPU hits about 66-67C

 

U overclocked your CPU? nice! btw, 80C is pretty hot, might wanna lower it down

 

No problem, better safe than sorry. Especially if you love your G1S like I love mine, lol.

 

80 is abit high but still in a safe and stable range. Thats only if his CPU load is always on a full 100% dual cpu load which it probably wont happen all the time

 

Don't worry, it's almost common sense that Asus lappys can get pretty hot!!! Specially the G1/G2 Series...

You're right.

The "normal" temperature range for a mobile Core 2 Duo under full load is something between 80~85 ºC . But it can go til 100 ºC before the PROCHOT and THERMTRIP (Intel's anti-CPU-frying mechanisms) actually kicks in!

More info about those mechanisms here.

 

Wow thats alot, btw i posted a screenie of me running full high on CSS x16QAA and x16AF go check it out at the thread we were discussing.. 8400M GS vs 8600M GT i believe :S

 

Already did. Already replied.

 

Yeah, just to add to the leaving the lid closed while hooked up to an external monitor.. my mom actually fried her motherboard that way, it muffled any of the heat coming up from the keyboard and we all know that just a few extra degrees can lead to bad results.

 

Props for a very informative thread.

 

That score is based soley on GPU clocks, it doesn't look at what kind of GPU you have. Thus it isn't a very good benchmark.

 

Ok, Ok !!! I Got it !!!

I won't EVER leave my lid closed again!!! Hahahaha....

 

I'm going to beat you with my ddr2. 4452 so far but I;m working on it. Nice results.

 

Thanks mate.

But actually, I ain't "competing"... of course there is some room for further OCs, I'm completely aware of that.

The thing is I'd already burned a desktop videocard once... and let me tell you something: I reallyyyyy don't wanna do it again!

Like 3 or 4 yrs ago, I OC'ed my Geforce 6800 Ultra... at the time it'd been just released and I spent A LOT of cash to import it...

Well... somehow I felt it wasnt fast enough, so I decided to tweak it a little bit! Everything was fine, the OC'ed performance was great, the temperatures didn't get so high, but... the thing is:

1) The video memory doesn't have ANY temperature sensor (and even if it did, don't think it would help much...)

2) The CPUs as the newest GPUs can turn themselves off when they get too hot... but the video memory still cannot shut itself when something goes wrong...

So, even if your GPU is right and the temperature is totally under control, your memory could still get BURN and RUIN your entire vga... and although ppl usually say it'd would give you "signs" it's burning... that's not always true. Sometimes it just colapses with no further warnings (as my vga did).

Thus, if trashing a vga because of the video memory is bad... can u imagine how mad I'd get if I ruined my whole notebook because of it??????

Well my friend, that's why I don't plan to increase my OC's ANY further.


But GL w/your performance persuit!

 

Hi, I'm having 8600 GT 256 DDR2.

My stock settings are core/mem 475/400.
I have tried overclocking to 501/426.

I use Riva to monitor the performance, i get a hiked up measurement of 581 core with 425 memory. I also use Nvidia's software to see the behavior of GPU.. So when i try overclock a little bit more and re-run the test, the nvidia monitor program's light turns from green to Red indicating a risk.

So i'm a little doubtful whether i should overclock beyond this settings.

..like you said... i dont wanna fry my memory module.

 

Nothing to worry about. That indicator doesn't really mean anything. You can go a good amount higher than when the indicator turns red. Your card will clock itself down when it gets too hot. So no worries.

 

that is a very nice looking laptop

 

Guys,

If you have nothing nice/productive to say, then do not post. Some post were deleted.

-kdawgca
NBR Mod

 

Kdawgca,

thanks mate.

 

how was it not productive? telling people that there might be consequences of such actions? you guys are hypocrites! i don't think overclocking is legal in terms of what manufacturer planned for hardware to be, yet u encourage and make such topics to stand out....i'm not against overclocking whatever u got, it's statements like that that tick me off.

p.s. hopefully, u will not fry your laptop

 

I just went to 4751 at 600/1250/550 GDDR2 on c90s 2.93ghz cpu....and im not willing to go any higher so.....gddr3 is def the way to go.

 

There is nothing wrong with telling someone not to overclock, but there is something wrong with flaming comments like this(see below) that add nothing to the topic except more replies to the comment that can and will get out of hand(I deleted a couple of replies to the below post).

If users do not take time to phrase their words carefully(so they are in compliance with the forum rules), they will be deleted. (NBR isn't a blog or IM so you have time .

Overclocking(safely) is a great way to get ever ounce of performance out of your GPU(overclocking a CPU isnt needed). When overclocking, users should look at the cooling guide and how to monitor your temp thread.

Also, I would love to see some in-game pics in the NBR image gallery with the overclocked settings.

-kdawgca
NBR Mod

P.S If you want to continue the conversation of me being a hypocrite etc, please PM me.

 

Ooh, when Kdawg comes you're in trouble

 

no need for that. thank you for your reply.

 

The scores are not impresive.

 

As I said before, this guide is not supposed to show how to achieve the highest score possible on the 3DMark...

I'm just teaching how to improve your laptop's overall performance and also boost your 3DMark score a little bit (SAFELY).

 

Btw, yesterday I bought online a new thermal compound ( OCZ Freeze), so I expect that after I use this compound on my CPU and GPU it'd be possible to perform higher OCs.

I've been also thinking about leaving the the cpu cover of my G1S opened (at least while I'm at home and the laptop stays docked over the external cooling solution) or even perform a more radical mod, like this one here.

 

be careful with the ocz freeze i heard its pretty subpar compared to other compounds. I read it in a roundup article of a lot of compounds.

 

damn... really????

Oh Sht....

 

i dont know the site of the article but I know i found the link for it on hardocp.com

 

*** New info added to the topic, with images of the performance boost. ***


http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3120491&postcount=1

 

i did like what you said and oced my vga but with a few weird problems
let me list them out in a reader-friendly format:

1. the core frequency in the monitor in rivatuner does not match my oc'ed frquency, i oced from 475 to 495 but the graph says its at 560. GPU-Z says its at 495 which agrees with the number which i had oced to
very odd

2. i have acer 5920g and its no surprise that it already runs hot without oc but i did it anyways since i couldnt resist the temptation. This results in a max temp at around 93 degrees for the GPU. I have a cooling pad with 4 fans that goes to 2900 rpm but with little effect (name : startech notebook cooler) so what really is a bad temperature for 8600gt m 256 ddr2 ? 90? 95? 100? what would be a same temperature to not only increase the performance but also keep an good life-span?

 

Answers:

1) Don't trust RV monitor... although it can keep a good track of the temperatures, it almost always fails to display the correct frequencies... Then, you should check the right measures at GPU-Z and in the OC tab inside the Rivaturner.

2) Good life-span = stock speed. All OCs tends to decrease the life-span from a little bit to a lot, depending on how far you're willing to push your system... as closer to the edge, as lower the life-span is gonna be...
But in general terms, anything below 100 ºC is quite acceptable...

 

Folks,

as I said at the begining of this guide, you should read the thread explaining how to use the SetFSB.. before you actually use it!


NOTE: I've been testing the new driver released by laptop2go for vist x64 OS... as soon as I've got the final results, I'm gonna post them here.

 

Is 3DMARK06 coded for 64bit OS?

 

Well... it ain't properly designed for it, you can be sure... Nevertheless, it works.

Hehehe...

 

Ok. Is it stable? Does it work better?

Did you run the benchmark yet?

Improvements?


I'm looking forward to your results.

 

How are the tests going?

 

32bit programs run fine on 64bit. Its drivers that have incompatibilities

 

Hmm, I followed you giude... I seem to have been really lucky with my cpu (T7700). I'm running stability tests for 2,8GHz. Temp under load is the same as 2,4GHz.

 

thats is unusual. what program did you use to monitor the temps and stress the CPU with?

 

I used HWmonitor and Rmclock to monitor the temps. I Used CPU Stability Test 6.0 that the OP recomended and wPrime (I've run tooons of wPrime).

I'm gonna try a longer stability test than I've already run. I do know that 2,9 and 3 GHz induce BSOD's.