Battlefield 3 PC receiving ?special effort?, won?t run on Windows XP

30 million? I heard it was far less than that but i could be mistaken

 

Let me Google that for you...

http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=steam+30+million

 

Well, metro 2033 runs pretty playable at DX11 With tesselation at normal settings... (GODDAMN AMBIENT OCCLUSION AND MOTION BLUR AND IMAGE POST PROCESSING! I COULD GRT THE SAME FRAMES I DO IN NORMAL USING HIGH SETTINGS!!!)

 

I'll take your troll's bet.

As far as consoles: Consoles weren't designed to be some amazing apex of gaming hardware. I like to refer to them as herdware. Everything is just built for a universal low standard. They render 720 0xAA (and usually 0xAF) crappy frames with low particle counts, and still usually run at ~25 FPS.

As far as your disappointment in not being about to absolutely max out (32xAA? really?) a game on release, what are you talking about? I've had high-middle end systems for most of my life and ran brand-new games on medium-high as well. You seem to be under the impression that a 460M (a GF106 core; a lower TDP, lower frequency version of a desktop 445/450) should be capable of a lot more than this. You're wrong. If your midrange (in terms of desktop hardware) card maxes thing out, what is the point of having SLI or XFire configurations? Whats the point in the GTX 480? By the way, I'm sure that the 480 will have no problems running BF3 at Full shaders and 4xAA 4xAF, an SLI 580 setup would probably render the same FPS at 8xAA and 8xAF. You could theoretically implement 7000xAA, and it would shred cards to pieces: just because the option is there doesn't mean that YOU should be able to run it.

In conclusion: If you want to run 32xAA, get a desktop SLI GTX 580 setup, or maybe a 6970 XFire setup (when available). Otherwise, don't expect to be able to slide every little bar all the way to the right. PS: You may have some real entitlement issues...

 

Can we just all acknowledge that jacob808 is either an idiot or (more likely) a troll and just ignore him from now on? It's plainly obvious that everything he's saying is false to the point of not being worth debate, so why bother?

 

I don't see what anything above 4xAA gains you anyhow. At native res it gains you pretty much nothing.

 

I'm acknowledging it. Anyone who says "PC Gaming is a dying breed" obviously knows not what they are talking about.

 

PC gaming has been dying since its inception. For the last three decades I've been playing PC games, there was always the doomsday for PC games. It hasn't happened and it won't happen. With PC's in pretty much every home in North American and Europe, it'll be hard to ignore. Even casual, lower spec games can be a lot of fun. And there will always be enthusiasts.

I think Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo have realized that a console can't be a PC but a PC can come pretty close to being a console. Until consoles can give me a keyboard/mouse or better control scheme with the response time it offers, and give me portable gaming, then I'll say PC games are threatened. But I don't see that happening. I couldn't play half the games I play on a console anyhow.

 

agreed +rep

 

720p for consoles? Come on man, being a console gamer (but growing more and more a PC gamer), I can tell you that many console games render at below 720p resolutions in order to keep constant frame rates.

It's one of the things that's so great about PC gaming, you have the freedom to decide how you want to run your game and are only limited by the hardware you buy.

 

well, this sure is an entertaining debate. Peepz, the short answer as to why PC gaming will never die in two words.....

AMD and Nvidia. As long as these two companies keep producing stronger, faster, meaner, etc.... GPUs, there will always be games made for the PC, rest assured.


KJ

 

PC Gaming is far from dying. The percentage of gamers that are PC users has been declining over the years as consoles and Facebook games get more popular and more people become "gamers", but the amount of PC gamers has actually been increasing over the years.

Valve Interview Part 1: Doug Lombardi on PC Gaming - Shacknews - PC Games, PlayStation, Xbox 360 and Wii video game news, previews and downloads

Neowin.net - Blizzard: PC gaming is not dying out, BlizzCon proves it

id Software: PC Gaming Is Not Dying - PC News at IGN

30 million gamers now use Steam | PC Gamer

Now, pair all of the above with the fact that we now have cheap processors with decent integrated graphics included in them coming out this year en mass (form both Intel and AMD) that will allow you to play nearly ANY available video game and be included in a lot of systems for under $1000 or even under $500.

Now, tell me how PC gaming is dying again?

 

jacob808, I'm sorry that your mid-range GPU is incapable of running newer games at settings beyond what true enthusiast gamer GPU's can do, but that's your own fault for making an uneducated purchase.

 

Or simply make compromises on the visual effects. PC Gaming has always been about gameply first, that's why we have the complex control systems with mouse and keyboard. I am among those confused by players who are unhappy because they can't max everything. Personally for me, having maxed settings does not have any influence in the fun I have in a game.

Right, PC Game sales are staying afloat with WoW, 12 million users paying $15 a month, add in another 20 million from the other MMOs world wide. But PC sales with Steam aren't as good as console sales. As others mentioned, console games you pay premium prices averaging $60 while most PC gamers either pirate a game, demo, so they can wait it until they buy the game off of Steam, GFWL etc for discounted prices. I bought KF for $9.99, Batman AA for $12, L4D2 for $20 and Orange Box for $15. Even if you have 30 million users, pales in comparison to the sales of Black Ops on Consoles at $50-60 each. Heck I bought the deluxe edition for BC2 for $45 while cheapest I saw for console was $60. For every PC player compared to console it's a $15 to $40 loss, in comparison.

But that's not why people say PC Gaming is dying. I am amazed that Valve didn't mention it either, kind of an idiot ask me. PC Gamers who say PC Gaming is dying don't care if Valve is financially in heaven or not, I personally don't care. I figure they are millionaires anyhow. PC Gaming is not what it was 10 years ago, I've played ONE PC Game this year. Starcraft 2. Every other game I've played have been console ports. And even then the console ports do not have what I normally expect from a PC Game. Every option customizable, not just some video setting with low, medium and high and no option to disable the 30 FPS vSync. No modding community, sometimes no dedicated servers etc. etc. For 2011 I can think of only 3 Games I will buy that are PC Games. The Witcher 2, Shogun Total War, and Red Orchestra 2. That's it for me, a whopping 3 whole PC Games. ME3 will be fun, but there is little doubt ME3 and DA2 will be console games played on PC. Pretty much like playing a 360 emulator on my PC I think.

DA:O and ME2 from BioWare who were traditionally RPG PC Game developers. I don't see DA:O and ME2 anything other than games optimized for Console and then ported to PC. Even a huge RTS game like Supreme Commander 2 was dumbed down so console players could play it. Even an MMORPG of 2010. Final Fantasy XIV, a highly anticpated MMORPG was a console port! The game was obviously made for PS3 and for use with PS3 controller!

But I still enjoy PC Gaming and no I do not believe it will disappear. Maybe some things will change in the future, but for now, I accept that 95% of games I will play now and near future are console games on PC, even RPG, RTS, and MMOs...

 

Precisely. I was thrilled when I found out my last laptop could run Crysis at a steady playable framerate (40+) at 1366x768 and all settings on low. And you know what? It still looked great, because it's Crysis.

 

Awesome! DX11 is really well optimized for cool effects! That means BF3 is gonna have epic graphics, I can't wait!

 

You know, sometimes I really can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not.

 

As long as they keep the jets and balance out that J10, bring it on! Imagine jets with the destructible environments of BC2.....*drools* I want to demolish a city block with an F15 carpet bomb so bad!!


Either ways, I play BC2 on the rig in my specs, have all the gfx tuned to Low (Medium at best), 1440x900, force dx9, and literally crawl by at some points @ 15fps, but dammed if I could ever play this game on a console! For me PC gaming isn't just about the better graphics, tweaking ability, etc, but the keyboard and mouse! I literally feel like a senior citizen when I grab an xbox360 controller and try playing FPS games in the sense that I have no idea what buttons to press, get confused easily, and generally end up staring at the controller wondering what is wrong with it... "the batteries must be dead" is a common excuse I use

 

My m15x (in my sig) is the same way. I just switched to DX10 today instead of DX9 and performance seems to have improved a bit. I saw 60fps at one point. Try it and see what you think.

 

Also note that those royalties go to sony/microsoft. The royalties is what actually pay for the game system. How do you think the 2grandish hardware that came in the PS3 got paid for? game royalties.

 

Whoa whoa what?! Really? I'm gonna have to try this myself...

 

Yea I went from 30-35 to, what seemed like 40-45 average with jumps to 60 occasionally. It could have just been the map I was on, though.

 

Hurray for DICE! For NOT making a crappy console port, and do something great for PC!

I think I will be able to play BF3 at DX10 1080p at medium-low at 30 FPS. if not, I will drop down the res to 1600x900 or 1776x1050. I will see in my BETA TESTING SESSION in October ( ish, 12 months after MoH's launch )
if it doesn't run cool on it, I will get the console version

 

Let's not continue the "PC gaming is dying" discussion. If you want to talk about BF 3, fine, otherwise, go elsewhere. Thanks.

 

There has been some debate about this game, the big question will be how much better will the dx 11 Version of BF3 look compared to the DX9 version ps3 and 360 will get? Just because they aren't supporting it on pc doesn't mean there isn't going to be a dx9 version, the consoles halted dx10 support for the last 5 years, for the reason of money. Thats why it seems like the new cry engine is almost a leap backwards, optimizing the engine to run better on consoles, which means its optimized dx9. Dx10 and 11 will continue to get the shaft unless some stellar performances are pulled out of it.

Which I can only name a few myself that are leaps and bounds better than any console version and would warrant a dx11 quality card, namely crysis warhead, AVP, Just Cause 2, and Metro. Now there are a few games next year that will finally start pushing the envelope ec : BF3, TESV, diablo 3, so on. There will finally be a push to upgrade, and once the word spreads through out the pc community , we may see a new console generation squeek out, but very unlikely because of the new kinect and motion that just came out, seems like sony and microsoft want to milk these consoles a little longer. And while they do this we will all STILL be stalled on dx9, like I said there will be the few games you buy on pc because of a superior version but when the bulk of games look similar on both spec pc and console, it makes it hard for a dev to rationalize dropping more money on the pc copy, or even for most consumers. We are hard core gamers, we aren't average gamers, they aren't making money off of us, they are making money off your friend who buys madden every year, and cod to play with his friends.

Oh and the argument of cheaper games is mute, you have to wait for a year end sale on pc to get those awesome cheap prices, and by the same time in the console world, console games can be found used for steller low prices. Savings are on both sides of the line.

 

My question is will it *require* directx 11 or will it run on directx 10 as well? That would also alienate a huge crowd still considering Directx 11 cards haven't been out long, and there's only a handful for laptops.

 

A DICE dev tweeted in July ( ish ) that it will not support DX9, but will support DX10 and DX11. DX11 only would be crazy! No one would
be able play it fluently!

 

Yeah of course it will support DX10. It would be crazy if they didn't.

 

well in th uk console games retail at 30-45 pounds=70 dollars
Pc games retail at 20-25 pounds=38 dollars(with the exception of starcraft 2 which retailed for 40 pounds)
and pc games tend to dramatically fall in price quicker.

 

Sorry about only knowing my own prices, failed to realize other places, but generally most games dont hit that really cheap price point people are talking about like bc2 for 15 bucks until it hits steam xmas sale.

And to the other poster above, it will most definitely support dx9, on 360 though .

 

Call me a skeptic, but I'll believe it when I see it. The fact is, the game will be multi-platform so this "extra attention" is probably nothing more than 5 button mouse support. They can promise all they want, but I'm more interested in delivery. The same was said about BC2, and despite everything good about that game, it still feels like a console game. I want a PC game that plays like PC games should, with menus that don't feel like a console menu.

 

steam maintains high prices in general, (except for the amazing sales)

but - other retailers tend to drop prices rather quickly... often you will find amazon, for example, offering the retail version of a game for a fraction of the steam price.

 

Directx 10. Not running on windows xp implies no more directx 9 since xp could not handle directx 10 (haha...). Also, considering it will be on the xbox 360 since it uses something like directx 9.5.

 

I have little doubt some avid BF players will find a way to get it to run on Windows XP. If it runs on 360 as you say and on DX10, won't surprise me if it's modded to be run on XP and DX9.

 

Remember the game Shadowrun. It was only for Vista since Microsoft was trying to release most new games for Vista only in order to boost sales of their operating system but later scene release came up with a patch to make it playable in XP.

 

If you have a mid-high range laptop gpu with a quad core processor then you will be fine. Even if you have to run the game on medium it's alright people. A gaming laptop is a luxury item.. don't get mad if your $1300 laptop can't run bad company 2 on max settings. Just buy a desktop if you want higher FPS. I have a 460m gtx and I run bad company 2 at all high settings, medium shadows, hbao and vsync on, with no antialias. The game looks just fine even if I'm missing a slight shine on my m416. DICE said that they're going to pay more attention to the PC version of Battlefield 3 and that means better optimization. You people need to stop being so picky about graphics. Counter strike 1.6 is one of the most popular games on steam and the players could care less if the game doesn't look "good". Wanna know why? Because the game is fun.

As for DICE moving on to DX11, it's a good call.

 

and slow down on the whole 2 grandish ps3 hardware thing. the material and manufacturing cost of the original ps3 was about $800 on release, and is less than retail cost now.

 

C'mon you all know that BF3 will get "special" treatment but won't matter since you'll still die after emptying 2 100 round magazines from an M60 on someone close blank

BF2, crummy hit detection issues. BC2, still present. BF3? Yeah... will just have to wait but I have faith there were will be many entertaining youtube vids of BF3 hit detection fails.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BF2+hit+detection&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BC2+Hit+Detection&aq=f

Hours of ROFL from DICE. Hell there are even more humorous videos of how BC2's amazing physics fails too. DICE just can't get the basics right. Saw one video where someone kept throwing a grenade onto a balcony... And get this. The Grenade leaps off the balcony. Over and over.

 

I agree. Seems these AAA game titles forget about the basics. Get those right and everything else is gravy. They really need to concentrate on that.