Been a while.. Confused..

Alright, so Its been awhile since I've been on here, kinda got out of the loop when it comes to the current line of graphics cards.
Which has me confused. Looking on Xoticpc, I notice laptops like the ASUS-N73JQ has the Geforce 425M graphics card.
Dells XPS 17" only has the 435M and 445M I believe.
Now, these are $1,300 laptops, (Give or take depending on setup).
I'm looking at notebookcheck.com's benchmark list and it lists my 9800M GTS as faster than both the 425M and 435M. Is this true?
I know Notebookcheck is usually not completely accurate, but is it that off.?

Reason I'm asking is because I have a Gateway P-7805u which I bought brand new from bestbuy Jan of this year for $1050 + tax, and I was looking to see how technology has changed and how much better a $1050 now is compared to my $1050 laptop I bought almost a year ago.

Also, I notice most of them are running i3-i5-i7 processors, is a 1.7ghz i7 processor better than my 2.2ghz core 2 duo? Reason I'm asking is because when I bought this, the lower ghz quad cores weren't better for everyday use since most things don't utilize all 4 cores.

So is my P-7805u with 2.2ghz Core 2 Duo + Geforce 9800M GTS better than say the Asus with 1.7Ghz i7 + Geforce 425M?

Thanks guys.

 

You can get laptops with GT425M for much cheaper than $1300 haha.

And even then, ATI's HD 5650 > GT425M by a sizable margin. And there are a LOT of cheap laptops with ATI 5650.

 

Thanks for the tip.
Though is the GT425M even better than my 9800M GTS?
Thats one of the main questions I wanted answered, cause notebookcheck says 9800 is better than the 425.

Guess what I'm trying to summarize is, since my computer was the best thing on the market for $1050 when I bought it, what is currently the BEST laptop on the market for that price range these days? ($1,000 - $1,200).
Just want to see how much better current laptops at that price are compared to the one I bought at that price ya know?

 

Your 9800m GTS will kill the 425m.

Are you looking for a gaming laptop or a general-use laptop that can do the occasional games? The 4/2/3/45m are decent for gaming (the Alienware M11x uses a GT 335m) but your 9800m still outperforms them handily.

 

The main trend of consumer-level GPUs in recent times, unfortunately, has been to reduce mobile GPU emissions, and rebranding old GPUs with higher clocks, rather than pushing out revolutionary faster GPUs. However, in the higher price range market you might find mobile GPUs that slaughter the 9800M GTS.


For example, your 9800M GTS has a current consumption of 75W, however the GT425M has a 35W c.c., and the ATI 5650 has a 15-19W c.c.!!!! These two might only have 50%~75% of the 9800M GTS's performance, but their emissions (especially the 5650) are extremely cut down from previous gen cards.

 

Thanks for the confirmation man.
Basically, I'm on the edge of upgrading to a new laptop or not right now.
I'm trying to see what the best $1,000 to $1,200 laptop is for gaming on the market right now to see if its any better than my P-9805u which is a about a year old, just trying to see if the current gaming laptops in that price range are worth upgrading to from my laptop, ya know?

Sad thing is I used to know of every single decent graphics card. Life got busy and so I drifted away from this awesome site around March and now theres a crapload of new hardware that I have no knowledge of, so I have no Idea whats better or whats worse these days lol. Should have stood on top of it. Ah well.

 

Ah I see, so my 9800M pretty much beats all the graphics cards in the current laptops in the price range I mentioned?
Guess buying my P-9805u was a good idea than haha.

EDIT: Saw your update to your post.
Yeah, I prefer performance over emissions ;P

 

Not necessarily.

For example This MSI notebook, while a little out of your price range, will easily beat your current setup. The GPU in this guy is equivalent to the desktop 5770. I forgot what the 9800m GTS is equivalent to, but I know the mobility 5870 will be significantly better. (Also, Gentech is a great palce to buy from, but I'll not waste space on the why).

This laptop is just at your price range, and has the same GPU.

This Asus, at stock, is slightly better than the 9800m GTS. However, it's on a "better" manufacturing process, so you'll be able to get more overclocking out of it, all things being equal.


And, of course, if you look around you might find laptops wth a GTX 260m GPU, which is noticeably better than the 9800m GTS as well.

 

Appreciate the help man!
Forgot to mention though, I'm spoiled with 17" screens now haha. Have a 13" for on-the-go, love my 17" for gaming
Hows This one? Based on the info you gave me, I think this probably is the best (17") for the price? I notice it says "5870 Broadway XT". Is that the same as just "5870" or is it something different? (Searching google I saw Broadway is just the codename, but just want to confirm)
And I'm sure it is but I'll ask anyway, is the 2.4ghz i5 much faster than the 2.2ghz core 2 duo P8400 I have?
Other factors probably come into play besides just the 0.2ghz increase I'm sure, since i5 is a whole different chipset than the P8400, correct?

 

My G73 was only $1199. Also the newer CPUs will be much faster than your 2.2ghz core 2 duo. You would need 3ghz+ to keep up. I used to have a [email protected].

 

May I ask where you got it for that price at?
Seem's to be over $1,500 everyone google shows.

 

I got mine from best buy. I had the extended warranty on my old gateway 6860fx and it died on me so best buy gave me the g73 as a replacement.

 

Ah, I'm back onto track now sort of, thanks to you guys' help
One last question, how much do you guys think I could get for my P-7805u these days if I were to sell it to buy a new computer?
Its all stock, specs are in the sig, note that mine is one of the rare ones that gateway accidentally put 1920x1200 WXUGA displays on. I see a refurbished one on Ebay with the rare screen as well and its at a buy it now price of $875. If thats correct, my non-refurbished one should be around $700 or so?
Its in like-new condition, used external keyboard/mouse ever since I got it so I rarely even physically touch it at all, and I keep it on a cooler.
Lemme know what you guys think.

 

Just put it on Market Place and see what you get or put it on Ebay.

I doubt you'll get $700 though. Maybe $500.

 

wait for sandy bridge. The onboard gpu will be pretty good

 

just because the number system great old nvidia uses doesnt mean that the higher they are isnt always faster, the 9800 is a high end 9k series which is top of the line there for netbooks from that series, Gpus like the 435 are low-mid card. meaning it will have smaller core clocks and shaders, and even ram most times

 

GX740 is a wonderfull machine. I just love mine!!
Not much more to say ^^
Price/performance is pretty good i would say.

 

Alrighty, thats what I'll do when I'm ready to sell her, thanks
I might just keep it than if its only $500, probably better to have a spare laptop versus getting $500 haha.

I'll wait til they come out on the 5th to see the prices but I doubt they will be in my price range for a good one ya know?

Yeah I remember that now, is usually not the first number that matters, but the ones after it. Like an HD 5830 is't as good as a HD 4850, and on nVidia's line, the 4xxM series doesn't get better than the 9800M series until the 445M (With the exception of the 9800M GTX)

Yeah If the Sandy Bridge CPU's aren't in my price range, I'm goin' for the MSI GX740 or the Asus G73 that was mentioned.
Hopefully if SandyBridges aren't in my price range, the prices of the laptops with i5/i7's will be a little cheaper! Lol.

 

5650's/5730's are great and are well into your price range my friend. i5-520m is all the cpu power you really need seeing as nearly 99% of games are currently gpu limited.

 

But neither of them are better than my 9800M GTS from what I understand.?

 

G73 is excellent.. great deal and worth getting.. whether JH or JW

Panther214

 

The HD5650M should be better than your 9800M. But it's such a slight advantage that it's not worth the money.

IMO if you want to upgrade from a high end, you gotta go with a high end. The HD5870M from Asus and MSI can be found at affordable prices. They are the Gateway of 2010 best bang for the dollar.

If you need something soon, that's what I would get. But for Sandy Bridge and the HD6xxxM or better, I'd wait for that, if you can wait. Of course you don't know if the prices will be as good as what the MSI and Asus are though.

 

I see I see. I got time to wait.
This sound like a good idea? I'll wait for sandy bridge to release, and if the prices are affordable for me I'll get one of those. If their not, I'll find a laptop with the Asus and MSI specs, or even one of those laptops if their still being sold. Maybe be even cheaper at that tkme haha.

 

For your budget the G73 is the top choice in my opinion for a 17", I've had nothing but great luck with mine, plays everything great.