Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

Oh my god this is so exciting.

Quick recap: The first Kepler cards was unknown, until leaks happened. Leaks that show codenames etc. And it built from there, first codenames, then GPU-z, then full details.
It have happened again. Thanks to laptopvideo2go, just recently posted, we now know that a completely new line of graphic cards are coming. The names was mentioned in a driver and laptopvideo2go modded it and made an inf.

For context:
GTX 675M: N13-GS1-A1 (Source here)
GTX 680M: N14E-Q1-A2 (Source here)
GTX 780M: N14E-GTX-A2 (Source here)
GTX 880M: N15E-GX-A2 (Source here)

New codenames listed:

They are all N16E codenames.
Meaning completely new cards of a new series. HELLO MAXWELL
:hi2::thumbsup:



Update #1:
There are three Maxwell desktop graphic cards coming. GTX 880, GTX 870 and GTX 860. They will be based on the GM204 chip.
Revealed by the reliable japanese techsite Hermitage Akihabara
http://www.gdm.or.jp/voices/2014/0726/79559

Update #2:
GTX 870 benchmarks was posted on Coolaler.com. GPU-Z screenshot from the GPU was also posted. Apparantly it will have 1664 cores and 256bit bus.
GTX 870 scores about the same as a GTX 780.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/possible-geforce-gtx-870-specs-and-benchmark-leaked.html

Update #3:
Sources known to Cloudfire said notebooks with GTX 900M series will ship in October. GT72 with GTX 980M and Asus G760 will arrive that month. Earlier it was thought that the upcoming GM204 GPUs would be called GTX880MX, GTX 870MX and such.
Nvidia have moved on to GTX 900M.
There are debates going on why Nvidia would release desktop GPUs in 800 series and mobile GPUs in 900 series. Maybe the mobile 900 cards was 20nm and desktop 800 cards 28nm?!
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-maxwell-gtx-980m-coming-october/

Update #4:
Nvidia have decided to rename the desktop cards to 900 series to not confuse people about mobile being 900M series while leaving desktop at 800 series.
Nvidia will also have a streaming event around 9-10th September where we will finally see Maxwell GM204 cards presented.
http://videocardz.com/51426/nvidia-to-skip-geforce-800-series-geforce-gtx-980-and-gtx-970-mid-september

Update #5:
Nvidia annouced they will have a Game24 event on September 18th where they will celebrate gaming. In the source code of the website however, "Maxwelliscoming" was hidden, clearly showing that Nvidia is finally prepared to present the GM204 Maxwell cards at that event.
The Game24 events will happen on different locations across the globe on September 18th, and Nvidia will have live streaming of the event that we can tune in to.
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/09/02/turn-on-tune-in-geek-out-at-game24/
http://videocardz.com/52108/nvidia-announces-game24-24-gaming-event-maxwelliscoming

Update #6:
GS60 with GTX 970M was listed at laptopno1.com
http://laptopno1.com/chi-tiet-san-pham/1899/msi-gs60-2qe-ghost-pro-gold-edition-core-i7-4710hq-16gb-superraid-256gb-ssd-vga-gtx-970m.htm

GS70 2QE with GTX 970M listed at some list from MSI Russia
http://amigo.msi.com/msi_specification.aspx?SearchText=GS70

It is also very plausible that GT72 with GTX 980M will be called "GT72 2QE"

Update #7:
Videocardz managed to spot GTX 980, GTX 970M, GTX 980M and GTX 970M Firestrike benchmarks posted on 3DMark.com.
GTX 980M scored an impressive 57% over GTX 880M and its little brother, GTX 970M still edging GTX 880M by over 20%. GTX 980M was also very close to the GTX 780 in Firestrike like previously speculated. Really impressive that a 100W mobile Maxwell graphic card can match a 230W Kepler card.
http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-970-gtx-980m-gtx-970m-3dmark-performance

Update #8:
TechPowerUp posted specifications.

GTX 970
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2620/geforce-gtx-970.html

GTX 970M:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2623/geforce-gtx-970m.html

GTX 980:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2621/geforce-gtx-980.html

GTX 980M:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2622/geforce-gtx-980m.html


Update #9:
Benchmarks and comparison of GTX 870M, 880M, 970M and GTX 980M

Spoiler

3DMark11 Entry Preset

GTX 870M


GTX 880M


GTX 970M


GTX 980M



3DMark11 Performance Preset

GTX 870M



GTX 880M



GTX 970M




GTX 980M



3DMark11 Extreme Preset

GTX 870M



GTX 880M



GTX 970M



GTX 980M



3DMark 2013 Cloud Gate

GTX 870M


GTX 880M


GTX 970M


GTX 980M



3DMark 2013 FireStrike

GTX 870M


GTX 880M


GTX 970M


GTX 980M


3DMark 2013 Ice Storm

GTX 870M


GTX 880M


GTX 970M


GTX 980M

At last, it is now confirmed that
N16E-GX = GTX 980M
N16E-GT = GTX 970M

 

Yay, another maxwell thread. Duh.

Those codenames say absolutely nothing about the architecture though, I bet there's another Fermi part among them.

 

This merits a new thread and this is Maxwell for sure. Or are you suggesting a rebrand of a rebrand? GTX 780M > GTX 880M > GTX xxxM?

 

This is good, but I'm still waiting...and I'm tired of waiting. :hi2:

 

We are alll tired of waiting but this is very good signs. They just added driver support for these new graphic cards man!

 

You mean "brace yourself" right cloud? lol

 

No, no, no. You get me all wrong. Not a rebrand of a rebrand. This is Nvidia we're talking about, so we have that already, e.g. 610m -> 705m -> 800m or also 625m -> 720m -> 810m, just to mention two examples.
No, I was more talking about rebranding a rebranded rebrand, if you can follow

900m series Fermi part coming! Yay.



Just for the record, I'm not saying there's no new part among those, but believing that the majority of the parts you listed are something we haven't seen yet would be foolish to say the list. I mean seeing how closely you follow every possible Nvidia rumor you find online you should be familiar with Nvidias track record...

 

Haha yes. Ooops that explains why I got these weird pictures while googling the word

 

Nah, he needs some cuddling.

 

seeing this huge list of N16Es...
GG, welcome to
840MX
845MX
850MX
855MX
860MX
865MX
870MX
875MX
880MX

I just wonder how much is nvidia going to squeeze out of us with its factory overclocked maxwell

 

I agree with you that some of these cards will be old architectures and/or rebrands. Fermi too
GTX 850M/860M will most likely get the rebrand treatment. Same will GT 840M.
But the most important cards, the high end that are listed here, will 99% be Maxwell. Im that sure. My reasoning is that GTX 580M was a N12E, GTX 675M which was a rebrand was N13E.
But if you look at current high end cards, GTX 870M and GTX 880M, they are rebrands of GTX 680M and GTX 780M. You wont see Nvidia rebrand them another time as a N16E card. A rebrand of a rebrand. They are not that extreme.

Introducing GTX 870MX and GTX 880MX.
One of them listedalong with a Asus G750 notebook recently. Coincidence? I dont think so.

Im very interested in the N16E Q1/Q3/Q5 listed above. Semiaccurate posted an article saying GM204 will be used in 4 different GTX 800 SKUs. Ithink its those ones.

There is a reason why they are jumping to N16E. To introduce the rest of the 800 series.

 

the 870m has a cut down bus width of 192bit

and the 880m was also the 680mx

the 765m was never a rebrand, you are confusing the 670mx and the 770m

 

well cloud you never know, AMD had enough balls to get rebrands for 3 years. NV also had the same core for 3 years if you factor 680mx in

 

There is no point in introducing new cards and jumping to N16E if they got nothing new to show.

They have never done that across so many new cards before.

 

I'm going to be pretty pissed if these come so soon after 880M because that will show that nVidia knows they botched 880M so they are trying to bury it as soon as possible.

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So soon? 880m was just a rebrand of 780m. It's already been four months since 880m has been released and over a year since 780m. If these come out in September/October then you're looking at a reasonable time frame. They really had to release the 880m because of the 870m was a significant boost over the 770m, and their flagship mobile card couldn't be labeled one generation behind the rest of the GPU's.

 

12GB vRAM coming?

 

We will see what happens. Notebook parts don't sell as quickly as desktops parts do, nVidia can ride the 880M until next year unless AMD forces their hand which would be a nice surprise. NVidia has no real motivation to release a new mobile card right now unless it's their admission that they screwed up with the 880M so they are trying to replace it as soon as possible before it becomes a big PR disaster.

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Why stop there? Why not 32GB? Heck, go with 128GB and use it as an SSD.

 

Why u make new thread , god I been refreshing the old thread for awhile then decided to explore the forums and guess what I found thus thread (-_-) .... Anyways YAY GOOD NEWS

 

Thus starting the gpu+ssd bundle. Nv cards just can't stop on the price race ya know

 

LOL

Thanks HTWingNut, that was a good laugh at just the right time!

This is so full of win!

 

the real question is will it be 20nm maxwell or will they continue to release more maxwell on 28nm. No point in buying maxwell until its on its proper node. Nvidia have already stated they plan on releasing 20nm maxwell so if you buy a 28nm one you are just going to be pissed when in a few months its upgraded to 20nm

 

I don't really think nVidia would have an excuse since TSMC began mass production of 20nm products in Q1 2014.

 

they dont need a legit excuse, they do whatever they want then just make up something as they go. But it should be 20nm for the next maxwell cards released. I hope that 28nm stunt was a 1 time thing

 

Well if they want to stay on top, they have to go 20nm since AMD is going 20nm now and 14nm FinFET later

 

N16-gx and n16gx2 don't tell me we are having different chips called the same thing again.

 

Im thinking N16E-Q1 could be GTX 870MX, N16E-Q3 is GTX 875MX while N16E-Q5 is the 880MX with the biggest core count from GM204.
Nvidia are making four GM204 SKUs and since GM206 are not coming, they will do the same with mobile SKUs as well to be able to offer different GPUs.
NVIDIA preparing four Maxwell GM204 SKUs | VideoCardz.com

So the Q1 will probably a bandwidth starved GM204 with 128bit or 256bit and a good deal SMMs disabled, while Q3 have 192bit/256bit with more cores than Q1, and finally Q5 will be the real deal with perhaps a full GM204 but most likely couple of SMMs disabled and 256bit.

N16E-GX and N16E-GX-B could be GTX 850MX and GTX 860MX, all GM107 rebrands but with a little higher clock. After all, GTX 860M is N15P-GX so it couød fit.

N15E-GT is GT 840MX GM107 with higher clocks than GT 840M GM107, which also fit because GT 840M is N15P-GT.

N15M-Q3 is most likely a Kepler rebrand of some sort.

Short version:
N16E-Q1: GTX 870MX GM204
N16E-Q3: GTX 875MX GM204
N16E-Q5: GTX 880MX GM204 (or its the other way around with Q1 being 880MX)
N16E-GX: GTX 850MX GM107
N16E-GX-B: GTX 860MX GM107
N16E-GT: GT 840MX GM108

All are Maxwell cards.

Cant wait to see new cards. This is the real deal. We are really getting close now

GTX 880M was never built to last. It was made to have something "new" to offer while working on the real cards, the GM204 mobile GPUs.
It must suck for you guys that bought the 880M rebrand and doesnt know, but this is just history repeating itself, although Nvidia taking slightly longer time this year.

Just go back to 2012 and GTX 670M and GTX 675M release in March, both Fermi rebrands. Only to be followed by GTX 675MX and GTX 670MX in July the same year. New Kepler cards which were superior in every way

GM204 (870MX, 875MX, 880MX) is most likely 28nm judging from the die leak we saw earlier this month. Its a pretty beefy die to accommodate the extra cores. But in return I have great hope that they will be a huge leap over current cards. 28nm isnt so bad if they know what to do with it

Extremely good odds that these N16E GPUs are coming very soon now that Nvidia added driver support! AMD is releasing the R9 M295X next month so this is just Nvidia being tactical to stay above competition.

Either way, they have investors and stock holders to keep happy, GTX 880M rebrand is not cutting it anyway. New and better cards are natural part of the cash cycle

 

Well if they are coming that soon, Clevo better release a BIOS to support the high end part so I can upgrade... Provided that the performance is enough to justify it along with a reduction in heat. I have the money right now... Its just a matter of whether or not I deem it worth spending so much again so soon.

 

I am pretty sure the mobile graphics market is fast out growing the desktop market! Perhaps nvidia does care...


On the go from my iPod touch

 

yes but apple booked the majority of the yield for its new A8 processor which is ironically still less powerful than tegra k-1, if the rumor that it will be 50% more powerful than A7 is true in the first place.

not if 16nm is ready, and amd isn't going 14nm in 2015

 

Hehe..so should we just merge threads for now

 

I don't think clevo releases bios for new cards now days , unless they changed their mind about it. One of the reasons I didn't buy a clevo this round.

 

Donate to Prema.

I'm personally holding off until 20nm or 16nm arrives.

 

Why would they re-release 830 to 860m? If the big boys are coming in 28nm we're probably looking at rebrands at these levels

 

They very well could with small clock bumps.

 

Then is most likely that the medium-low end rebrands would be called 845m, 855m and 865m, it is more logic

 

dear Prema the Awesome:

please make a P150SM mod so i can swap out my GTX 780m for a GTX 880mx

 

GTX 860M: 640 cores @ 1029MHz
GT 750 Ti: 640 cores @ 1085MHz

So they can do a new 860MX with same clocks as GTX 750 Ti like Meaker explains. Thats Nvidia for you. Enough to justify a new card

Of course, they can be named both GT 840MX, GTX 850MX, GTX 860MX as well as GT 845M, GTX 855M and GTX 865M. I just named them "MX" in my list because it signify Maxwell.
Who knows, they are all gonna see refreshes I think looking at all the new cards coming from the N16E series.

 

You forgot the 865M or 865MX (whatever the name will be) in that list you posted earlier, Cloud.

 

No I called it GTX 860MX. Its on the first post.

 

EDIT: Oh, I see what you did... Never mind, lol.

 

The thing is that they have no chip to replace the GTX 765M. There is only GM107 and GM204. GTX 860M is already a full GM107, and to get GM204 down to a level where it would replace a medium card from Kepler would mean a lot of slicing and cutting.
But you are right, they could name the higher clocked GTX 860M for GTX 865M and just let the 870MX, 875MX and 880MX have the MX prefix. Sounds logical too. We will see

 

it looks like they will the same thing they did in previous gens.

remember the 660m? the 425m/430m/445m/540m/545m/550m/555m?

when they launch a more powerful gpu they will put in the sku to cover that performance gap that doesn't exist as quite as pronounced today given the supposedly very powerful nature of maxwell, to which so far stands quite well proven on the low end

 

lol yeah, business as usual there.

My estimation for GTX 880MX is about 18SMM (18x128cores), GTX 875MX 16-18SMM (x128cores) and GTX 870MX with 16SMM. Full GM204 I reckon is 20SMM (2560 cores).
That should give some SKUs to cover some area although a GM206 would be ideal but according to rumors its not happening (which you also see if you go to Zauba.com and search for GM206. Only GM200 and GM204 are found which means thats the only chips they have been working on.

 

yeah the problem is that right now the 860m is around 20% less powerful than the 870m, which I think is amazing given that its just a mere cut down 680m and performs relatively the same in games despite that, due to very aggressive clock on core and vram.

anyway I still bet that next year we will see the replacement of the 765m

and I made a mistake the 445m and the top end 555m were different cores from the rest, shouldn't have put those there.

anyway that gen was gimped by how good the 460m/560m performed and the inherent fermi temps made an insertion there irrelevant, probably.

 

I agree and disagree with this post. I do think there are more 'optimum' times to buy which I am hoping you meant instead of "it must suck to buy a 880m not knowing..."

For those that buy without knowing then they probably don't read these forums and probably will be just as happy with their purchase. The reality is while there are optimum times to buy, there is always something coming around the corner and there are many variables to consider.

Some could argue: "It sucks people are going to spend maybe 3k+ for SLI setups with resolutions of 1080p." People get so excited over these ridiculously powerful SoC smart phones that actually can't take advantage of the power because the software is lagging. However, without being too tangential, I do agree that buying an 880m or 880m SLI setup right now may not be optimum.

Until mobile resolutions get a major bump and or there are games that just don't play well on my system, I don't mind anything coming out. I LOVE when new technology is released because I am a tech enthusiast. I am not someone who is big on hooking up my system to external monitors as I would rather then just have a powerful desktop. I really just like gaming on the notebook machine AND screen it comes with! I've actually enjoyed the delay in these releases because I have gotten good use of my 780m SLI for the past year and I know that nothing really is challenging it currently or right around the corner. In another year or so I will probably upgrade.

My bottom line past present and future is this: Get the BEST gaming machine you can AFFORD at the time you NEED it and you will NOT regret it.

 

Hmmm so 16 NM Maxwell for 2015? I bet the earliest we see a 14 NM Pascal will be Q3 2017! It would make smart business sense for Nvidia to milk 16 NM as much as they can. Nvidia basically use the 28 NM tech for three years before they switch to 16 NM tech.

 

Why go to 14nm if already at 16nm? Isn't 16nm finfet anyhow?

 

Let's just go to 1nm. Conversation over. :thumbsup: