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    Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. J.Dre

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    Impressive.
     
  2. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Look at these Fire Strike scores for 780:

    980 core/ 1502 mem = 10777 graphics (driver 337.88)
    980 core/ 1502 mem = 10590 graphics (driver 335.23)
    967 core/ 1502 mem = 10672 graphics (driver 340.52)

    VideoCardz 780: 1006 core/ 1502 mem = 10008 graphics

    There's something very peculiar about that 343.91 driver VideoCardz is running. Either it doesn't play well with Kepler, or VC is running Win7.

    (what I'm trying to say is I'm really hoping those results are real and not the product of a secret sauce driver tweaked for Fire Strike for Maxwell, yeah I'm cynical LOL)
     
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  6. TBoneSan

    TBoneSan Laptop Fiend

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    Very nice indeed. Giddy Giddy. Glad we're moving forwards some.
     
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  7. Ningyo

    Ningyo Notebook Evangelist

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    Those scores are pretty epic 980m nearly 780 desktop or 780m SLI. Lets hope it is accurate and transfers over well into gaming performance. Based on all the rumors so far this was about the top end of what I was hoping for and more than I really expected.

    Even the 970m would be a beast, I wonder what the TDP, and such will be on these as well. Also kind of doubt it will be built, but which would be better 2x 980m SLI or 3x 970m SLI. I've heard going to triple SLI removes almost all the micro stuttering issues and such? Edit: guess I heard wrong.
     
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    There are LOADS of potential benefits 3-way SLI offers over 2-way, but lack of microstuttering is not one of them... unless your 2-way SLI game runs at near 30fps and your 3-way SLI game runs something like 40-45 (above the microstutter mark).
     
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    Those scores are amazing. Really big jump in performance, and in line with a lot of the speculation. Let's hope for the best!
     
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    vanfanel Notebook Consultant

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    980M SLI ...woah! how is that possible?
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    No triple SLI laptop exists, and the likelihood of one being released (or even designed) is virtually non-existent.
     
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    Hopefully there's a ton of overclock room left in them.
     
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    Hopefully manufacturers don't screw up regarding existing notebook's compatibility with the cards :p

    I really hope those percent gains reflect GPGPU performance too. Maxwell is supposed to increase CUDA performance versus Kepler.
    My work would benefit a lot (I use my GT60 as both work and entertainment pc).

    With the 980m and those preliminary specs on that article, we have: a reduction of ~160Mhz on the core, ~500Mhz on the memory, lower voltage probably, and better silicon (mobile first) from the desktop counterpart 980.
    Firestrike: 12328 GTX980 vs 9364 GTX980m. 76% of difference on synthetic. Let it also be a good overclocker and...not bad at all ;)
     
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    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    God wills it!
     
  15. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    If "mobile first" means desktop cards will scale terribly in SLI compared to mobile cards, I am going to be SERIOUSLY pissed off.
     
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    Could be a fluke , there's only 1 result for both desktop and laptop so far
     
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    that's a 970M? That's brilliant
     
  19. octiceps

    octiceps Nimrod

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    I'm sorry dude, I hate to go OT and call you out like this but it really bugs me when people make statements without fact-checking at all. 680 is beaten by 590, which performance-wise is essentially 2 x 570. So saying something like "1 x 680 = 3 x 580" is way off-base.

    AnandTech | Bench - GPU12

    AnandTech | Bench - GPU13
     
  20. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Great find! Seems like Clevo P1xxSM-A owners are in luck! If P377SM-A will take 980M I'm sure a few members here will be ecstatic.

    And again with that 343.91 driver! Imma keep my eyes peeled for a driver update in the upcoming weeks...
     
  21. octiceps

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    Exactly, we have neither the power supplies nor PCIe lanes, unless we're talking the LGA 2011 suitcases. :laugh:
     
  22. octiceps

    octiceps Nimrod

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    Well R343 does drop support for all DX10 cards, so maybe Nvidia was able to cook up some magic sauce driver optimizations?
     
  23. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Not to mention heat dissipation as well as the cost.

    Though technically, I do think the P570WM has enough room to handle another MXM card if it used a mobile CPU instead of that LGA2011 monster (the desktop CPU is effectively a "dual slot" solution if you catch my drift). Problem is I don't know if MXM was even designed to support tri-SLI, so you may have to redesign everything from scratch, which will just drive up the cost even more since it'll be such a niche product.

    That's the thing; I really want to believe we'll see these performance jumps, but the cynic in me keeps saying it's all because of that secret sauce magic pixie dust driver, and when it comes to gaming the performance gain will be far less impressive. It's just too easy to cheat in synthetic benchmarks, and both teams have been guilty of this in the past.
     
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    Look at them gainz!
     
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    James D Notebook Prophet

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    Offtopic but... I hope I gonna still live till the moment when each normal/average person after 6-th school grade will look at all these...
    [​IMG]
    ... and say smth like "IS HE STUPID??!" Or just "Is he stupid?"

    If you found what am I talking about "Like" this post so I would see how many get math' basics.

    P.S. They promised to show us 980 and 980M screenshots whilst they provided 980 single and 980M SLI which both get 10415 and 13181 points respectfully which is lower than those charts. I assume these marks are for Extreme Firestrike while those schedules have usual Firestrike marks. Am I right?

    EDIT: No I'm not. They put Graphic's score in the schedule while I was looking at the overall score.
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Ha good catch. Not only do I know what you're talking about, I know exactly how they got it wrong. ;)
     
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    Do you even bench, bro?
     
  30. Ningyo

    Ningyo Notebook Evangelist

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    actually I am uncertain where you meant he went wrong.

    GeForce GTX 980M 8GB

    We are almost certain that GeForce GTX 980M has 1038 MHz GPU clock score is for 1033mhz. Compared to desktop Maxwell parts, memory speed has been reduced to 1253 MHz. Still, GTX 980M has no competitor 780m SLI is competition, as it offers almost 36% 57% upgrade over GTX 880M. Neither GK104 GTX 770 overclocked record 10459 firestrike nor Pitcairn will ever reach such performance.

    It’s worth nothing noting that single GTX 980M is just 8% 7.2% slower than 780M in SLI.


    so which error did you mean?
     
  31. jasonlam

    jasonlam Notebook Guru

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    I cannot even imagine how the Maxwell will perform if it is produced in 20nm.

    From the graphs and scores, 980M is twice the performance of my current 870M.
     
  32. Cakefish

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    980M STOCK PERFORMANCE THAT CLOSE TO 780M SLI???!!! :D

    [​IMG]
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    In a synthetic benchmark with a super secret sauce 343.91 driver that nobody knows anything about, yes.

    I'm being cautiously optimistic for now.
     
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    Hah, just woke up after a long sleep.

    Was not dissappointed in what I saw :p
     
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    Firestrike GPU points:

    GTX 680M: 4049
    GTX 870M: 4694
    GTX 780M: 5244
    GTX 860M SLI: 5941
    GTX 880M: 6101
    GTX 970M: 7403
    GTX 980M: 9364
    GTX 780M SLI: 10091
    GTX 880M SLI: 11817
    GTX 980M SLI: 18570

    GTX 970M is like 20% faster than GTX 880M :p
    GTX 980M is just like we speculated, 50-60% faster than GTX 880M :p
     
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    That's pretty darn awesome! I haven't scrutinised Sponge's leak that he linked (too tired, not enough sleep last night!), but if it's kosher, then this is truly fantastic news for mobile users! Seems credible from a quick glance I think. (I'm sitting at 870M performance right now, I have p*nis envy when I see the 980M sli - or even the prospect of an overclocked single 970M to be honest!)
     
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    Its 100% legit. All Firestrike scores from 970M and 980M are gathered from 3DMark.com after some tested them there :)
     
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    I`m still playing with the thought about going for GTX 970M SLI.
    20% faster than GTX 880M SLI but with a ton less TDP.

    Powerful and cool. I like it
     
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    Isn't it possible to fake those though, in as much as you can modify your driver to change the name of your card. Although, having said that, you still have to be able to produce those scores with a single card - and currently there are no single card mobile GPU's that can produce those scores - so must be legit I guess!
     
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    Judging from 800 series laptop prices I'm only gonna be able to afford the 970m. I hope the 192 memory bus isn't gonna be a problem when I run Star Citizen with it. :(
     
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    880m to 780 ti = +85%
    980m to 980 desktop = 30%

    So close to desktop

    Judging the scores, seems like 980m is a 970 with 1SMM disabled, and 970m is a 970m with 3 SMM disabled
     
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    How did you figure that out?

    Your "problem" here isnt gonna be the GPU but the CPU. Its a highly CPU bound game.

    Not sure why being so down about the GTX 970M though. Its almost 2x as fast as GTX 680M. Faster than GTX 680M SLI by the looks of it... :D
    75W vs 200W or something like that
     
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    A few pages ago, there was a rumor stating that the GT72 would come out tomorrow with the 980M.. do you think it is legit?

    Any information on the release date of the 980M on clevo?
     
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    The SMM you mean? Simple Maths
    970 = 10.282 points
    980m= 9.364 points

    difference of 10%

    Now, rumors were that 970 had 13 SMM if i remember correctly, so since core clock is very similar, disabling 1SMM would make that 10% difference

    As for the 970m there is 27% diference between it and the 980m, the diference of clock is around 10%, so disabling another 2 SMM togehter with the 10% clock difference would more or less make that 27% difference

    That would make 980m 12SMM and 970 10 SMM, and would be possible that the 960m would be another 2 SMM disabled, which would make the 960m with 8SMM you spoke of
     
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    Guys, is there any chances i can get a laptop with new cards in october? I means with plenty of info leaked, i feel like Nvidia will announce both desktop and laptop cards in September. Am i wrong?
     
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    *Cakefish has entered the stratosphere*
     
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    I don't think CPU will be a big problem since right now they don't have threading support and the game is running fine in AC. 192 bus might be slow loading all the textures and stuff in big space battles? (Not entirely sure what is memory bound in games)
     
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    1 gazillion percentage legit

    I`ll try to look at it too when I have the energy. Maybe you are right, but did you take bandwidth in to consideration? There is a massive memory clock difference between GTX 900M and the desktop cards. You can gain atleast 10% just by having better bandwidth.

    Yup, preordering starting maybe already this month :thumbsup:
     
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    Incredible, I just bought my 780m this year and already it's like 70% obsolete.

    Anyway until 1440p or 4k becomes mainstream I really don't need to upgrade, the portable titan is way overkill for 1080p. I think AMD is pretty much doomed now, 100% improvement on the 7970m at the same TDP? lol.
     
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