Buy a lappie with 8700gt or wait ?!

I am looking to buy a new laptop (thinking of the M570RU, C90s, XPS 1730 etc...)

But Heres my problem, I will want to play Crysis, Farcry2, GTA4, Halo3 ...

Will 8600gt 256mb do me?
8600gt 512mb?
8700gt 256mb?
8700gt 512mb?

Does the DDR2 vs DDR3 affect performance?

Or do I wait for a new card which could probably come out at the latest lets say when crysis comes out (October 5th)

Rumor says, theres 8800m gtx/gts/gt/gs waiting for me...

 

GDDR3 DOES effect performance.
8700gt 512mb GDDR3 should do, however, the 7950 gtx 512 gddr3 runs better. (if it's an option). Honestly, DX10 cards are over-rated at the moment. Very little DX10 support and by the time it's standard, you will be looking at needing higher end cards to run the games at smooth frame-rates.

If you have the option (and money), my opinion is to go with the 7950 gtx. If not, an 8700 gt 512 GDDR3.

 

I would go for the DX 10. The 8700m GT is actually a powerful card, yet in terms of benchmarks, the 7950 GTX is higher.

Games now are slowly turning to DX 10 now, so, for the future, and you want to enjoy those DX 10 features, go with the 8700m GT. I'd wait for the DDR3 if you're planning to go with the 8700m GT.

 

I don't disagree that DX10 is now in the market, but it's not a standard and is not likely to be a standard too soon. 2-3 years down the road, maybe, but by then 8x00 models will be struggling to run DX10 games.

In my opinion, as long as DX9 is really the standard in the industry (even though some developers are adding DX10 support), the 7950 gtx is the better card because when DX10 is the standard, you will probably have to upgrade your card anyways. 7950 is slightly outperforming the 8700 in most benchmarks.

If you want DX10 though, get 8700Ms - obviously the better quality versions and SLi if you can. It's not a bad card, it's just slightly behind the 7950. I think it will probably do almost anything the 7950 would anyways.

edit: Personally, I am waiting for 8800m GTXs with *hopefully* 512 mb GDDR3 per card. (SLi for sure). Going to cost me a ton but hopefully, I won't have to run out and replace it for a few generations (I like to buy new stuff when I buy, but I don't have to keep up with the latest tech)

 

It's not ONLY the benchmarks... There's quite a few games in the market that the 7950GTX runs better than the 8700M GT atm (despite a few ppl in this forum disagree and says otherwise...) You want DX10 then go for the 8700 but personally I think it wouldn't have the power to display every DX10 features (ie. you probably need lower some other settings to give it enough power to display the dx10 "special features".) I would say wait for the 8800s or whatever is the next high-end 256-bit card from nvidia... If you can't wait, either the 8700 or 7950 will probably last you more than 2 years.

 

I was thinking very hard about getting the M570RU and had one spec'ed out to around $2400-2500 but everything I've been reading about it told me to wait. One it is currently undergoing upgrade to be able to support C2D xtreme and I think maybe high power graphic card too. So I got a Dell Vostro 1500 instead. The 8600M GT will be fine for most things at my native 1280x800 resolution. At the price it paid for it and the trend of the Vostro price going up, I also believe that when the time comes I'll be able to sell it without such a big loss.

 

Wtf? The demo is only coming out on the 25th of October dude.

 

Crysis is currently slated for November 16th.

 

Yeah, October 5th? Where are you buying your stuff dude.

 

why settle for less though...even if directx 10 becomes the standard in 2 years or less the 8700gt will be out of date and wont be powerful enough at all.

 

Sorry forgot the 2 in front of the 5

Well, the only thing that I am struggling with is, I want a laptop that can play Crysis on full settings (not necesarily larger than 1280*800 if it affects visuals) and with all the physics and effects:

WHATS THE FUN IN PLAYING CRYSIS WITH NO PHYSICS OR EFFECTS?

So I guess I will wait... Any proposals on a lappie that will cost me less than $2000

And what processor speed should I get... im totally confused now with cpu speeds... Core 2 duo 1.8 ? 2.0 ? 2.2 ? 2.4 ?

 

Well I would think maybe 8700M GT in SLI. You know it's not coming out on the 25th of October but more like in the middle of November.

 

as far as processor speeds, you are going to want to get something that wont hold your high end gpu back. its not going to be as beneficial having an 8700 or 7950 if your processor is 1.8

 

That processor won't hold the gpu back unless your playing supreme commander.

 

So would dual 8700M GTs in SLI (on the M1730) be good enough for high-quality play in Crysis? I've been waiting for high-end DX10 laptops for a year, and I want to make sure that nothing new's coming down the mobile pipe for at least a little while (realising that if you wait for the newest thing in computers all the time you'll never buy anything).

 

im not sure it would be good enough for high-quality play on Crysis, apparently desktop 8800gtx's were struggling at those settings.

 

Well then, when could we expect a laptop that could play Crysis well? I mean if it's 6+ months then I'll just take the M1730 and go with medium-high settings

 

Not really...
I am using a 8700m GT with a 2.0 GHz C2D...and its still holding back my GPU.

..my own experience with it tend to suggest that its internals are significantly hindered by CPU.... when I play games, the cpu tend to hit 100% most time and when it does, the fps drops or stutter often....

Also, someone else managed to change his 8700m system's CPU from 1.8Ghz to 2.4Ghz - a 30% cpu upgrade,
but results in 80% fps increase in real performance in games like FEAR....

So a small cpu upgrade will results in the massive "released" improvement in overall GPU performance of the 8700m GT...

 

What do you mean well? The 8600s should handle crysis fine at 1280 x 1024 at medium high, high or high at 1280 x 800. I think people forget that people have differences in resolution. Desktop gpu struggle with crysis at 1900 x 1200 which is a very high res and causes a huge hit in performance. I still don't get why people think games come out that can't be played on laptops.

 

Well that's good enough for me. But my other question is how likely is it that the 8700M will be surpassed (by another mobile card) within the next six months (so by next March)? Is it really likely that an 8800M will come out, or will there be no more mobile updates until the 9-series mobile editions come out next summer(ish)?

 

dual 8700gt's are available now in the sager 9261, for $395...two hundred less than dual 7950gtx's. and those will run crysis at high for sure.

 

Im not sure but, I am really desperate for a laptop by Christmas that will play crysis at max settings for me... thats all

So you guys think ima go with 2.2 or 2.4 ghz ?!?! By chirstmas the 2.66ghz may be at the same price as the 2.4 right now...

 

maybe, but for the extra 100 bucks or so it wont make a noticable difference

 

What do you mean 2.2 and 2.4 make no difference?

Is it a good choice for me to buy a 2.4 quad ? So its kinda future proof?

My main concern is just playing crysis at max settings and effects with minimum avg. of 25fps

 

What do you mean 2.2 and 2.4 make no difference?

Is it a good choice for me to buy a 2.4 quad ? So its kinda future proof?

My main concern is just playing crysis at max settings and effects with minimum avg. of 25fps

Come on... lol Anyone hear ANY news from Nvidia last couple days?

 

It's almost certain the 8700M will be surpassed within the next six months.

I'd go with the 2.2GHz

There is little to no benefit in going up to a 2.4. The greatest theoretical performance increase you could get would be about 9%, and in real life gaming it will almost always be less than half that (with the exception of RTS' like supreme commander, which likely would show the full 9% increase).

With that main concern, I'd wait till Crysis is released, read some performance benchmarks and reviews, and then make your decision.

 

Wrong...

A REAL REAL (yes a actual user, not ...speculating...) 8700m user tested real world performance of FEAR increase fps by 80% with just a 30% increase in cpu speed from 1.8 to 2.4Ghz.

 

could u provide a link to that real user test? seriously 80% is a lot it's like 45 fps -> 6x fps. Didn't think FEAR was that CPU dependent unless you are talking about 1024 or below resolution.

Edit:

Oh, I just did a google search "CPU scaling FEAR" and found this:
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=672&p=3
not exactly the mobile counterpart but I think go 8700 is pretty close if not faster than a desktop 8600 GTS.

 

Well seems 8700m is indeed scaling performing differently from 8600m due to its different internals...

Here you go... here's the links:

FEAR fps increased from mere 46fps to 85fps (80%) with just 30% upgrade in cpu speed!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2513577#post2513577

 

Ok so I should go ahead with 2.4?

What about 2.4 quad? its only 1066 fsb compared to 2.4 1333 fsb

And, so I decided to wait until my b-day (21rst of december) to buy my lappie... Any suggestions other than C90s, M570RU, XPS1730, X205 ?

Any news on newer gpus ?

What will the 8700gt in sli gain in performance? Cant find any benchmarks nor comparison tables...

Should I consider ATI if they have something more powerful, if theres no new Nvidia card by my b-day?

 

He did not mention if that was benchmarked or he just stood still in some random place and recorded the FPS...

The link I posted in the above post was a CPU scaling test with tons of CPUs, and the result definitely showed FEAR is a GFX dependent game so I don't know if upgrading a CPU from T7100 to T7700 will give us such jump.

Here are some more google results about CPU Scaling in FEAR
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123831
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/fear_cpu_performance/page8.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1883899,00.asp

 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...at0502003&type=product&tab=1&id=1186008219932


This isn't a bad deal the only downside of it is the 1.66ghz processor or I was thinking about buying it.

 

Ok so I should go ahead with 2.4?

What about 2.4 quad? its only 1066 fsb compared to 2.4 1333 fsb

And, so I decided to wait until my b-day (21rst of december) to buy my lappie... Any suggestions other than C90s, M570RU, XPS1730, X205 ?

Any news on newer gpus ?

What will the 8700gt in sli gain in performance? Cant find any benchmarks nor comparison tables...

Should I consider ATI if they have something more powerful, if theres no new Nvidia card by my b-day?

Well, what about laptop gaming performance, lets say Alan Wake which will make use of quad core wouldnt it be way better? Or Crysis, since it uses physics and effects.

 

I think that will completely bottleneck the gpu, and I heard that 8700gt DDR3 is better... and Am I dreaming or did they UP the price? I thought it was like 1200 or lower?

 

If you're waiting until December, there could be some better stuff out there. Definitely get the DDR3 version of the 8700m gt if you can. That laptop looks like a good deal but at 9.4 pounds, it's a heavyweight.

 

Ok so I should go ahead with 2.4 dual?
What about 2.4 quad? its only 1066 fsb compared to 2.4 1333 fsb
Well, what about laptop gaming performance, lets say Alan Wake which will make use of quad core wouldnt it be way better? Or Crysis, since it uses physics and effects.

And, so I decided to wait until my b-day (21rst of december) to buy my lappie... Any suggestions other than C90s, M570RU, XPS1730, X205 ?

Any news on newer gpus ?
What will the 8700gt in sli gain in performance? Cant find any benchmarks nor comparison tables...
Should I consider ATI if they have something more powerful, if theres no new Nvidia card by my b-day?

 

Anyone willing to estimate 8700gt ddr2 vs 8700gt ddr3 vs sli 8700gt ddr2 vs sli 8700gt ddr3 !!??!?!

 

Hello?!??! Dont leave me please!!!


Ok so I should go ahead with 2.4 dual?
What about 2.4 quad? its only 1066 fsb compared to 2.4 1333 fsb
Well, what about laptop gaming performance, lets say Alan Wake which will make use of quad core wouldnt it be way better? Or Crysis, since it uses physics and effects.

And, so I decided to wait until my b-day (21rst of december) to buy my lappie... Any suggestions other than C90s, M570RU, XPS1730, X205 ?

Any news on newer gpus ?
What will the 8700gt in sli gain in performance? Cant find any benchmarks nor comparison tables...
Should I consider ATI if they have something more powerful, if theres no new Nvidia card by my b-day?

 

I'd say a 2.4 dual core should be fine for you. And yes, the 8700M-GT should do very well in SLI, since memory bandwith is such a problem for it.

I'm not aware of a DDR2 version of the 8700M-GT. The SLI should give it between a 50% and 100% performance gain, depending on the game.

 

50% to 100% ??!?! Are you sure... I thought they always said that SLI was only like 16-73%

Do you believe that the M1730 for 2999$ is worth it? Its got 8700gt sli ageia m100 2.4ghz c2d 7200 200gb ....

 

The SLI gain is more marked on the 8700M-GT because it's limited by the memory bandwith, unlike most cards which are SLI'd (the 79xx series, for example).

I'd say for that price the M1730 isn't worth it, depending on your specific needs. Have you posted a FAQ in the What Notebook Should I Buy section yet?

 

Yes but I only get answers like:

Look at dell... or I think you should go with a 8700g...

I'll post again... tsssss lol

 

When you do, could you post here a link to it?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2520703#post2520703

 

you know honestly, this talk about what can play what and what should i buy has really taken a retarded turn. I mean 8700m gt SLi gets the exact same benchmarks (actually a bit higher) than the 7950gtx on lower resolutions...so unless you are trying to play Crysis/any other high graphic requirement game on like 1900x1200 resolution (who would on a laptop????!!!!!) then save yourself some money and go with dual 8700m gt. Besides, if you do plan on playing Crysis,etc on uber high settings on 1900x1200 res then you probably won't be able to play for too long anyways because of the extreme heat could possibly damage internal parts on mostly any laptop.

PS- the M1730 isn't really worth is only and pretty much only because of the ridiculous pricing...for that much go get an Alienware m9750 with dual 7950gtx and you're good for...a long time.