Buying new Plasma 3d HDTV for gaming!

LotR is a horrible example because of how they produced the original blu ray. they've done comparisons and they found that even over the air broadcasted versions on TV had slightly better picture quality than the blu ray. if i remember correctly, they remastered the extended version so the picture quality would be more in line.

don't forget that some of us have home theater systems and really enjoy HD master audio that blu rays provide.

 

THe 720p plasma Im talking about here and an older Samsung 5064 model. Its 720p, and still even by today's standards puts out an excellent picture, especially with some mild tweaks in the service menu. And for PQ Id still take it over alot of the 1080p displays offered today. Its not perfect by any means, but it was picked up by my friend for about $175 on Craigs with less than 1000 hours of use logged on it. And for someone running an upper tier laptop card, max settings can be had with FPS well over 60. And the picture is stunning. 1080p(which some people fail to realize isnt a big jump over 720p)is such a small resolution increase over 720p. Its proven that for actual benefits in noticeable resolution perception you need to basically quadruple the resolution. Its very similiar to sound in many respects. In sound, just to gain 3db of output(which is a very small increase in output)you need to double the amp power. But to double(ie: twice as loud) the output, you need 10 times the power to achieve this feat. The linear gains in resolution to our eyes is very similiar to linear gains needed in power to our ears, which Im using here as a quick example.

So you can argue and debate all you want. But if I put a high quality calibrated Pioneer 50" 720p Kuro plasma right next to a 50" 1080p Kuro set thats also calibrated properly you would NOT be able to tell the difference between the 2 in terms of resolution unless you jammed your eyeballs right up to the screen to see the difference in the pixel mesh.

If you want true "high definition", then swing by my store and think about plunking down 5-6 figures for a 4k(8-9 megapixel display) pj setup. The debate over 1 vs. 2 megapixel displays is kinda pointless.

The only reason why its being brought up here is because a good 1 megapixel display is an awesome match with our "challenged" laptop video cards that are much better suited for a lower "HD" resolution. 2 megapixel displays still tax our gpu's considerably and they are much better suited for higher end desktop gpu solutions.

720p and 1080p techically arent even "high definition" by any means. 1080p/Blu ray is still a highly compressed digital format in reality.

 

I'd take the 60 FPS on the 1080 display every day of the week. Your scenario however is a best case and everything above 60 is just icing on the cake. No offense to the OP but I don't think his 9800m is running any modern game at 60-80 FPS on max settings. You have to look at this situation on a case by case basis. A scenario based on the OP's situation/options would be more along the lines of......Would you rather play a game with high/max settings running at 40-45 FPS with a resolution of 720 or would you rather play it using low/med settings running around 30 FPS at a resolution of 1080. In the OP's case and anyone's case for that matter who doesn't have a high end card, a 720 display is much more versatile and FPS friendly than a 1080 display.

This all being said, trust me. I'm not trying to take up for my 720p displays. In fact, out of 5 TV's in my house, everyone of them is 1080 besides the one in my kitchen which isn't even hooked up to a high def box. I like 1080 but if I were purchasing a TV for mostly gaming and didn't have a high end video card, I would without a doubt go 720. Going 1080 has more of a chance to dramatically drop your FPS and graphical settings.

 

No offense taken, my GPU is 3 years old now and wasn't a high end card even back then. However I have managed to squeeze out some performance that is out of the ordinary with this particular card and I can run Skyrim maxed 1920x1200 no AA, 16x AF with HD textures @ a decent 30-35 fps average. Even so I do enjoy playing the game @ a much smoother 55-60 fps average with same settings and 4x AA, giving (at least on this TV) the same quality of image, if not better given the beautiful blacks of plasmas and the TV's PQ after some tinkering. If I had a powerful enough rig (and the money to get one, I only managed to buy this TV by selling my old Projector for $450, so basically I payed the difference of $50 for this TV) I would definitely go 1080, although given the distance from the TV at which I sit at, the visual quality improvement would be hardly perceived.

 

First off, if a game can actually play at 80fps, its not going to display 80 frames per second when most screens are refreshing at 60hz. This is where vertical sync comes in handy.

Second, if a gpu can render 80fps at 720p maxed out, it sure isnt going to do the same at 1080p..........more like 25-40fps with all other settings being equal. 1366x768 ='s a full megapixel. 1920x1080 ='s 2 full megapixels, and graphical enhancement effects require alot more gpu/cpu power as well. Unless the drivers ar optimized for 1080p specifically, good chance the game won't even produce half the frame rate. So this scenario your bringing up is kind of flawed.

3rd: If your in the Boston Ma. area, PM me, I would love to place a $1000 cash bet that you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 50" screen at a modest 4-6 feet away. Be it blu ray, pc game, or high def for that matter. Plenty of "skilled, trained eyes" have failed the resolution comparison, many with the same claims you make. You place too much emphasis on straight resolution. If you understood more about picture calibration you would actually know why your own opinions are highly flawed.

 

i've been done arguing with u, bro. i'm not sure why u keep throwing this elementary knowledge at me like it's going to sway me into your mentality. u gave me an apples to orange question, at first. i answerered it. then i asked another hypothetical question back, and u didn't answer it. u seem to be arguing about a whole different thing, and with yourself. that's cool though. enjoy what u like and to each his/her own.

p.s. - if i was ever in boston, i'd take that $1000 and buy us some steak and bubbly. liquor u up so u would stop with all this mumbo jumbo.

 

Actually you need to reread alot of the past posts, quite a few points I made you fail to mention or tackle directly by sidestepping with comments that really don't add anything to the debate.

But to simplify everything......laptop cards(even the top ones available), really work best with a resolution thats less than 1080p and are able to achieve a much better and more fluid framerate that increases motion resolution. Higher motion resolution equals a higher quality picture. And its near impossible to tell the difference between a 720p and 1080p screen, even on the largest pj's boasting pictures over 100" diagonally when properly set up and calibrated.

And if you ever in boston, Ill take you up on your offer, but I'd still give you the side by side resolution test on a pair of 50" plasma screens and will get a great kick outta seeing you fail miserably to try and tell the difference between the 2.

 

the parts where i didn't comment were where u used "an apples to oranges" argument. i mean...most of it was just u throwing some google'd numbers around and trying to get me to think like u. it's pointless to comment on that type of stuff. everything u've said so far has been worded to support your argument. even when u had to make up hypothetical situations to do that.

i already accept your mentality and have moved on. if that's what u prefer then good for u. when it comes to my toys, i have no budget so i don't need to consider where, or how, i'll save money. i am able to go all out and drop thousands and thousands on whatever i choose. i'm not stuck having to deal with your situation. i can piece together a beast of a laptop/computer to fully do what i WANT it to do, and not just do what it CAN do. take it how u want to.

 

Id love to know what you consider an "apples to oranges" comparison, or what "numbers" are "google'd" or what has been worded to support my argument? Honestly this sounds like a pretty heavy copout on your end to bypass points you have no counterargument for.

And also, if you have "no budget" on your toys and cost is no object which is what your implying here, then what are you doing with an older Sager laptop with a 480m gpu? LOL! A "beast" it is not. It wouldnt hold a candle to my "budget minded" $1400 P180hm in terms of performance and raw numbers. And even mine looks and plays best on a 720p fpj screen.

 

apples to oranges was your argument from a pure FPS/gaming stand point. my argument was about FPS, gaming, and everything else the TV will be used for. "you will get more FPS from a 720p display vs a 1080p display." durrr...really?!?!? i've had the urge to call u Captain Obvious so many times throughout the thread lol. at least 50% of the stuff u typed could easily be found off of google by anybody that was looking.

like i said, i already accepted your mentality, and the way u are attacking the situation. i just chose to ease up because i didn't want the OP's thread effected by us.

as for my laptop, i just felt like buying a new laptop at the time and didn't really care to wait the extra 3-4 months for the next 17" Sager model. the 480M has handled everything i've thrown at it, so there simply hasn't been a need to touch a thing. the 480M and the 580M were not what they were supposed to be, so i'm waiting to see how well the top of the line 600-series cards will perform. if all goes well, my next build will be a desktop with SLI 6xx GPU's and 3 24" monitors. more games are starting to take advantage of multi-monitor setups and i certainly don't want to miss out on any of that. plus, i want to make more use of my Logitech G27 wheel.

 

A. The argument about "FPS, gaming, and everything else" the TV/display will be used for is again missing some of the debate/arguments here. Some of your own posts were just not adding up. Looking back over them now, your still bypassing topics and counterpoints made in regards to your own opinions.

B. Im sure alot more than 50% of what Ive stated can be googled. WHat can't be? Again, making a respone like this just furthers the issue that your trying to side step "google'd" points I made.

C. Im sorry, but if your going to play the slightly childish "Im rich" card, then your toys should back up that argument. You should be touting things like a true high end laptopamong other things etc.....if cost is no object for you and your budget.........

 

ya... i'm on a budget too because i collect yachts. Bazinga!

I think a mod should close this thread because i'm starting to get the feeling this is more personal debating then helpful for the OP now.

 

Oh, I don't mind at all. They're actually bringing up some interesting points haha. Btw a quick update on my status with the TV, I am looking to use 3DTV play with it. I already have the Nvidia Emitter with the Shutter Glasses and I was instructed to connect the Emitter directly to the TV and use the Tv's own 3d glasses to use 3DTV play. I'm having trouble installing it though, since for some reason The Nvidia stereo 3d setup thinks that my Samsung 3dtv is a DLP which is not the case, giving me only options of using the VESA cable to use Stereo 3d (which wouldn't work since this is not a DLP tv).

 

Hmmm still haven't found a solution for enabling 3dtv Play by Nvidia on my Laptop with my new TV...

I don't have a 1.4 hdmi yet, I'm using an older hdmi cable.

Maybe when I get that I will be able to do 3d?

Btw it should work with my rig (in the sig) right?

 

damn...i couldn't tell u because i've never tried connecting my laptop to my 3D plasma before. i'm thinking the lack of an HDMI cable is going to be a problem though. IIRC, u need 1.4 HDMI to carry 3D signals.

 

Oh alright, sweet then... I bought a 1.4 Hdmi cable a couple of weeks ago on a website. Should be arriving this week. I'll test it out

 

use monoprice or meritline for HDMI cables. shouldn't pay more than a few bucks, max, for one.

 

I paid 4 dollars for a 10 foot one :_)