Buzz: GTX680M first benchmark in M17xR4!

Gotta love the pointlessness of arguing over speculative or irrelevant data.

 

We got a 3DMark11 score that showed 31% improvement over the 580M. It was a stolen engineering sample with perhaps not optimal drivers. They may even make changes to the chip itself.
Its a GK106 core, aka GTX 660 (perhaps Ti)

Lets leave it at that

 

guys, we are arguing with Meaker (and ended respectfully for both sides) over not speculation, over the very well derived past data, nobody said anything about 680m, we are comparing the improvements since 7950 go.

 

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Now a 3612qm is perfect for portability. 5554 cpu score in 3dmark06 is great. Cpu only reached 72 degrees. Te gtx 670m is 40nm so not so good.

I have no idea why they put 40nm cards with ivy bridge. Whats the point. Companies try to squeeze money from everywhere and are selling 2010 technology in 2012 laptops so they still will be thick.

 

Yes, This sounds great! But this makes you wander where are the 100W TDP cards? and the jump from 65W to 100W is huge could we possible be seeing 2000+ shaders in the 7990M? you know both companies want to claim the mobile preformance crown and will not stop at 65W-75W TDP, I hope not at least?

 

Calm down, no one is saying your beloved AMD is doomed.

I listed the source for my desktop comparison... you did not.
I also used words like "probably".

Let's face it, you are just doing the AMD fanboi thing. Stop worshipping the ground AMD walks on and look at the facts please... (most of them we do not have)

All we have to go on right now is performance from Desktop and AMD has fallen behind in performance. (not that the 79xx GPUs are bad by any means, just slower than the 680)

Both AMD and Nvidia made their mobile GPUs from last generation based upon cut-down versions of their desktop GPUs.
Given the past it is indeed reasonable to assume that the performance winner in Desktop will come out on top in the mobile department too...

Note, I listed an exception... and that is if Nvidia must make cuts too deep.
All of these same arguments came out last time and Nvidia still shipped the overall better performing card. (as I mentioned this did not make it the best value)

Once again, all of this is "what if" until we get some real results.

 

Lol, you are funny. Why don't you look at the GTX 580 vs HD 6970 and the GTX 680 vs 7970. See how performance ratio's changed from the last year. Now, throw away all the titles with 100FPS + and you will see that AMD has gained performance ratios + compute power while sacrificing ~15% power efficiency, when Nvidia reduced the sheer compute power to gain more efficiency.

All in all both are very close, as always. There's no "murdering" this time around neither in desktop nor in mobile sector. The story will repeat itself once again with AMD launching their mobile refresh 1month earlier (rebrands don't count) and Nvidia will "adjust" to gain 5% but will cost more. End of story.

 

at least we can agree that Nvidia will still be the faster, top of the line card.

*flame suit engaged!*

 

I still cannot believe 7970m will perform the same as 680m at 35W less.. time will tell

 

I`m pretty shure it won`t. And I am also positive that the specs that is floating around in this thread is BS created by TechARP just to get more traffic.

I`ve said the reasons why 7970M most likely will be 580M, +-5%ish. 35W GCN = 80W Fermi, 65W GCN = 100W Kepler. Hah. I think its just a nerd fantasy someone is having
But how I would love to be wrong. If it were true then GG Nvidia. No more sales for you. Atleast not from me

 

there's a reason why "superior" products maintain their price points. if the argument were about performance to cost ratio then we'd be having a different discussion.

 

it's not just about efficiency;

it's how Mhz affects the architecture, and the "sweet" spot margins for engine clocks.

nvidia had some crazy high correlations with high clock speeds and performance gains (fermi arch). perhaps its working against them in the mobile segment.

proud to be ATI once again .

 

In my book 5% is not "superior", ever. Take drivers and different games into consideration and you get that in each particular case the situation is different. For example, we have tested a bunch of M18x with 580s and 6990s and based on our tests (Vantage GPU, '11, Crysis, Metro, Witcher 2, JC2, etc) both GPU solutions were neck to neck. In fact, in the majority of games I own the REDs perform better but than again I have no game that favor the Greens and can't comment on heavily tess'ed scenarios.

So when I say 5%, it's the "official" statement but in reality you have to look for the benches you are interested and take many factors into consideration, like drivers, system settings, CPU, etc.

 

that's why i used to quotations.

 

lol, i totally missed that! No wonder my nickname in online FPS games is BlindPew, heheh

 

I also missed that, ingenious

 

Nvidia deeply unhappy with TSMC, claims 20nm essentially worthless | ExtremeTech

Very interesting. Looks like ivy bridge with 28nm graphics from amd or nvidia is the last of the cheap pc's before the price goes back to like the 1990's.

 

Interesting article.

Looks like we will be running into another tech wall since the dual core.

 

Specs:

1280 shaders
100W
850 Mhz clock
1200 Mhz memory clock
256-bit
153.6 GB/s

Feel free to apologise at any time.

 

Specs for what?

Apologize for what?

Chill out dude, no need to be so hostile

 

ahahahahaha ok, you got it buddy, it is at least 30% well, that is for the good of all, I am getting one soon I hope

BUT please remember my first argument, I was saying nothing can beat 580m by 30% AT 65-70W TDP, definitely 680m or equivalent 100W amd card will beat by a huge margin (which we can conclude is the highest end amd in 7000m series, it is I think obvious we won't have 7990m this time around) initially what I thought was 7970m was not the best amd card this round..

 

I always clearly made out I was talking about a 100W card, the new power ceiling for notebooks. They were not going to back away from it now designs are certified to handle that power draw.

Actually, half a GTX680 (768 shaders) won't stand up against practically a full 7870. Not unless they pull out some extra tricks.

It certainly wont be any faster, best case is pull even.

Considering the premium Nvidia puts on its products it wont be worth the wait.

 

yupp looks that way.. even with superior nvidia driver support, it doesn't worth 1k when you can get similar performance for 400.. AND metro last light is about to be released within a year I can throw in some good bet that amd cards will beat nvidia in metro last light investing in amd maybe the right thing this summer

 

I dont know but to expect 7970m for sale at ~$400 is a bit too optimistic IMO. It would make more sense to be sold at around 600-700 (though my wallet will loath it).

 

dude! you went from 6990m to 580m, did you change the heatsink and bracket?? looks like they are completely different (pics on ebay)

 

Lalala never mind.

 

No worries man i did! I got the heatsink from widezu and the L shaped backplate from my retired 6870M. Which one is the bracket?is it the screw and the padding inbetween?

 

I think the other part in the picture

New Alienware Dell m17x r3 GPU Heatsink Complete YHP1P | eBay

I think I will end up buying one soon

 

I think the bracket is thebackplate, in which case i got it covered. But for 580M and maybe 680M you wouldnt want that specific one but a L shaped one instead, which i assume you already know.

What are you going to buy soon? 7970M? 680M???

 

looks like 7970m FINGERS CROSSED!!

 

7970m bracket is the exact same as the 6990m...confirmed