Bye Bye Alienware!!!!

Your status as the only 15" with the 8800M GTX is now gone!!!

Clevo's new M860TU has been unveiled. Link is here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=225978

I would find it hard to believe that Sager will not make this a better product than the m15x.

LOL!!!

 

I wonder how much it's going to cost, it's gotta be cheaper than Alienware, but it is about bl**dy time

 

Sure is about time. I wonder what kinda power saving modes they have. Alienware has good power. lol Does it have lights? I'm kidding of course.

 

I'm curious how many people will still buy AW if this turns out to be a legit laptop...

I mean, if the Sager/Clevo outperforms the AW for less money and better customer service [through resellers], why would you still buy AW?

Is it because of the lights? For some reason, that reminds me of a fly getting closer and closer to those bug lights you hang out at night.

Must fly closer... closer... closer.. zzZZAAAAPPPPPPP!!!!!!!

 

lol I'm sure there'll still be buyers, in masses in fact. You have no idea how fickle minded people can easily be misled But an AW price drop is certain when this NB releases!

 

i hope its cheaper than np5793
ps. 99% of the time my keyboard light on macbook pro is off

 

definitely not the death of the m15x, and with the same specs I doubt the sager will offer 'better performance' pricing will be a big issue, but unless sager has used the smartbay idea, and including a way to downclock/switch to igp. I can't see it having long battery life, or boasting a max of 400Gb(with HD + smartbay) like the AW can.

 

maybe better value but i doubt better product. sager and AW have been pumping out performance laptops with identical graphics card for years. guess what? there's still a large market for AW product. don't blame AW if it attracts idiots that are more likely to abuse customer service hence making it more steamlined. people who spend big $$ are less inclined to go for most bang for buck. yes let's trash AW for bringing out the first 15" that houses 8800M GTX; talk about bitterness.

 

It's good to see that the high-end gaming performance bussiness is opening for the 15'' models.

 

I'll concede that I am probably being a little hard on AW as they do put forth a quality product.

However, I am just glad that when I make my next NB purchase, I'll have more than just AW as an option for a gaming 15". After all, I don't think anyone will argue that AW is not overpriced.

 

AW never had the best systems, yet they sell more than Sager/clevo. So I don`t think they`ll fade away now, they have a history to back their image.
But it is good to know that finally the 15 incher can house the most powerful mobile gpu on the planet

 

now if they could work someething like that in a 13"..that would be something lol

 

They would have to remove the CPU and hdd, and you`d be good to go

 

Hopefully by august of 2010 there will be mad nice Laptops I can think about switching to.

 

I think you can wait until at least 2011.Maybe 2012 while you`re at it

 

YES! Thanks for that link, it's really about time

 

eh the AW M15X is pretty "mad nice."

 

hmmmm.... fanboy perhaps? I guess, my response is WHAT TOOK SO LONG??? Hopefully this will get AW up off their asses and start releasing new drivers, giving people better cs, etc.

I know its totally just looks and 'image,' but there are 2 things about Sagers I can't get past:

1) faux-carbon fiber trim. Yuk. I think that's akin to those ghetto pinto cars that have 'spinner hub-caps' instead of real spinner rims. keep it real, or don't do it at all.

2) the 'sager' label/font. Looks like 'zenith' from the '80s. In conjunction with it's size, I imagine having to constantly explain to your friends that the computer is not this huge brick-like dinosaur, but a high-powered gaming machine.

I think little design tweaks here and there would make these things highly desirable.

 

These are high end , best priced and performant notebooks.
If you care about looks that much, throw another grand in there and get the EXACT same thing, but with an alien Head.
Bla.

 

Yeah I'll admit I'm probably a Sager fanboy... oh well, better than a AW fanboy!!! jk jk

Seriously though, I'm glad there is now competition in this market for a true gaming machine in smaller form. What was frustrating to me was that the first company to come out with a more portable gaming laptop with the best GPU was AW which is typically known as having very high prices, some might even say overpriced.

AW makes a great product and alot of their design concepts are true quality, like the ability to get 4hrs of battery from the m15x. I just don't like the concept of overpaying for a label => hence my liking for Sager.

To me, more so than Sager v AW, its about greater competition and expansion of this sector of the market. That's what I want to see.

Edit: Honestly, I prefer the looks of the Sager over the AW but thats primarily because I'll be taking my laptop into MBA classes... [secretly pushes down longing for cool alien head...]

 

does it surprise you that image/looks come at a premium? BMW? Rolls Royce? houses in Beverly Hills? brand name clothes/bags etc.. yeah they all have less costly alternatives but it doesn't mean it serves equal purpose. value is a subjective matter.

yeah looks don't mean much, that's why hot girls/luxury cars don't turn heads

 

@ Null

You certainly put forth a valid and true point regarding the subjectivity of value.

I guess, simply for discussion purposes, I am more concerned about my comp's performance and the $$$ I had to spend to get it that way than I am on what it looks like. That's why I prefer Sager.

 

Overpriced? Have a look at how much Alienware Australia charge then get back to me! I can't believe anyone out here would buy one for the amount they cost. Makes Alienware in the US look like a bargain

Personally I don't think the M15x is a very good looking laptop. And I don't like that silly glowing alien head, but they have improved on it alot from the days of that stupid "rippled" design they had.

Yeah, I know there is the power of a brand, but just about everyone you speak too know what a BMW or Mercedez badge look like. I think 90% of people I know if I showed them an Alienware laptop wouldn't have a clue what it was. In fact, most would say they're ugly and look really old because they're so chunky. Kinda defeats the purpose in buying something thats more expensive for its "brand" appeal.

Just my 2 cents guys. Oh and I know that I have a very fugly laptop But you can't beat Dell for their pricing and customer care. If we had similar pricing as the US, might have a Sager instead.

 

value certainly is subjective, but performance/price ratio certainly is not. True the AW is the 1st to have 15.4" 8800m capable machine, but those machines are also having a A LOT of cooling issues ( and not the kind of cool that you gets you sheet time) but the kind that gets you your own Notebook-oven!

 

Design is completely subjective, but you can't argue with the power of the internals under the flashy lights.

Wait a couple of months and see if the pricing really is competitive. User reviews will pop up on the forums eventually.

 

You're comparing performance and looks based on price ? Bull... Just look at your own config... I prolly (like others) couldn't afford HALF of that! If you had a lower budget, let me ask you if you would sacrifice specs for looks ?
There are realistic people with constant budgets who say no, and the Sager is for them. Oh and if you haven't noticed from many reviews, the sager DOES look better in person

 

if you look more closely you'll realize that i was comparing exterior glitz to price. if you think corolla looks better than a beemer then more power to you.

if i had a lower budget i'd build myself a desktop. again we're not talking about same consumer base. i was implying different products catering to differing markets.

what? they would say yes to "sacrifice specs for looks?" i think you meant the other way around and yes i'd assume that as well.

if you have yet to learn this in life: looks are subjective.

 

Sorry.. I typed the exact opposite! Post edited..

 

That laptop,as cool as it may look,does not run cool.
The 860TU however got the best out of the M570RU and at a 15` scale. And the performance will be even better..

 

How so ? Just due to Montevina ? Or something else ?

 

Hey guys, for all we know, this new 15" machine could run hotter than the M15x...

Looks wise, from what I've seen, I do think it looks better than the M15x. Im not a fan of the sliver design, or the alien head. Performance wise, only time will tell which is better.

 

Is Clevo not the ODM for AW? If they are, then they are responsible for building/designing at least the bare essentials of the AW M15x. If this is the case, then the new Clevo 15" model may share any heating issues with the M15x. Who knows, just a thought.

 

No, Clevo did not design the m15x. It was Arima or Uniwill.

The M860TU from Clevo ,if following the new trend of the M570RU and D901C, will definitely NOT run hot.
Not upto 90C like the AW anyways...

 

The good thing about Clevo gaming notebooks... over other notebooks.

... is the amazing thermal designs and the Fan Toggle.

 

I personally like the looks of the AW..at least I like the lights and the Alien head. However, I personally prioritize overall value waay over looks...as well as performance and heat disapation...This is why I went with a Sager. Besides, I actually really like the looks of the 5793. I have to admit, it would be cool if a Sager 5793 came with a little more "Gamer-Glitz"....i.e. backlit keyboard etc. That being said, I think it is important to keep in mind that the value of appearance/brand name is very subjective. If someone wants to pay more for the looks of an AW..more power to them - I just know I wouldn't. At least not THAT much more....

 

I can get 640gb on my laptop... so could the AW... you just buy two 320gb WD's... or even 250gb hdds... which is 500gb

 

I have used many Alienware and Sager machines over the past two and a half years. I just got done testing the Sager NP5793 last month and I have the Alienware m15x right now.

Each company has their own appeal. Sager laptops are in general no-frills. You get what you pay for, which is the high performance hardware and the chassis to handle it. Just about all of the development money I'd imagine goes into packing in the latest hardware and the appropriate thermal system. The looks of a Sager machine are not very refined nor stylish but they are very solidly built - they got it where it counts.
Alienwares are for those willing to spend a bit more for aesthetics, the image, and the whole user experience. A lot of thought and time is put into the design and making it as appealing as possible. I do think some of the overhead with an Alienware is justified - maybe all of it is, I don't know; I don't have Alienware's balance sheets. When comparing based on price per dollar, a Sager will win over an Alienware every time. However that's not a fair comparison for reasons I noted. There is much more to an Alienware than simple specs.

I can tell you firsthand that using an Alienware is different than using a Sager. On a Sager I feel like "wow, this machine is one powerful brute" and I don't think about looks that much - I don't feel like I am using a stand-out. When I use an Alienware, I think "dude, I'm using an Alienware! This is amazing!". Seriously, you fee like a badass. The name "Alienware" implies good looks, powerful components, and gaming per their marketing. When you're using one around other people you feel like a stand-out and it's a cool feeling.

Sager to me implies hardcore (read: minimalist) design and brute power. Alienware implies a powerful image and gaming.

At any rate, I wouldn't have a problem recommend an Alienware or a Sager. Both are excellent machines in their own right. Alienware is NOT always overpriced. Yes some upgrades are, but just do those yourself.

 

I agree with you on all counts But alienware UK IS overpriced! Especially the international delivery charges (in comparison to other companies)

 

So it basically boils down to how much you value the outside of your laptop when choosing between the 2? If said laptop stays in the house all day and doesn't get shown off to friends and family for bragging rights then the Sager/Clevo sounds perfect.

 

lol sorry but i can't help but point out how pathetic your argument is. so there is absolutely nothing that's worthwhile in your house since it stays home all day? yeah i agree it's pretty superficial but Chaz summed it up nicely.

 

Someone's feeling touchy today, my point (however weak it sounds to someone like Null) was that the only difference between both models is the external design. Unless I'm mistaken both laptop models have very similar specifications right off the box.

 

one thing you should also compare is the service and this seems to speak for Sager as the AW service is awful...

 

Yeah - if you want pure performance and you're only in the market for specs, Sager is your ticket. However, for the bling bling and cool looks, Alienware is the way to go. It all depends on the person . . .

It's hit or miss in general. Here's an example where they can give excellent service:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=131095
Follow-up:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=157980
They really came through for that guy.