COD MW2 on Steam

after all the hype and then the letdown about dedicated servers and the 2 week delay on pc it looks like steam are still on track for a release date of 12th november 09 for £34.99 at todays conversion thats $57.72

i know thousands have cancelled their orders but whos still going for it.

COD MW2 on Steam

 

Not me, I played Cod4 competitively for two years with the same clan/team in CAL, TGL, CEVO, TWL and it made for an amazing online experience as well as the community we have built.

MW2 has completely destroyed the very best part of its core -- multiplayer-- and opted out for a consolized mess. What IW has done to the PC community is really a smack in the face to the people that made you what you are today.

Of about 25 different cod4 teams, i know of only 2 people buying the sequel.

We are going to Borderlands and then on to Bad Company 2 in 2010.

 

Getting retail box myself.

 

Keep in mind that even with the retail copies, they will need to be registered on Steam in order to run, same goes for the retail copies of Valve games like Half Life 2, Left 4 Dead, etc.

The downside to this is that you could never sell or gift the game later on unlike the console copies. If I buy the game, I will bypass registering it on Steam and use a crack.

 

$60 for a 4-6 hour single player? (if its anything like CoD4)

I'll pass,

But the truth is even if it had dedicated servers and all the bells and whistles, I would never pay $60 for it. Its a regular edition PC game, which retails for $40-$50. Consoles pay $60 due to franchise fees associated with MS & Sony, and PC has no franchise fees.

I'm sure the pricing has more to do with Activision's CEO than Infinity Ward, but they still created an Epic Fail with MW2 PC.

I'll pick it up when its around $30-40, which may be a long long time looking at CoD4's pricing history.

 

Unfortunately, it will be a long time before the price goes down. I also only want to buy it for the 4-6 hour SP campaign, I don't play multiplayer. But for those who do, $60 is a good deal for them, for only SP, its way too much.

Good news is it will have several additional levels like the epilouge level "Mile High Club" in the first game, which should boost it's single-player replayability. I hope they would offer more to download in the future.

I wish they would release an SP and MP only versions of the game for $20-30 each.

 

wait - if i buy the retail package, it's still a steam game?

so if i want to reinstall later, i could do it with just my steam account and without the disc?

 

Well, I have no idea why'd I want to sell the game, and I have no real-life friends who game, so I'll be alright. I played CS:S for a few months without steam, it got old with all the same cracked-steam servers. So many more options now that I bought it.

I've done the same with MW (no steam), but online play is pretty bad with my laptop. When the new one (laptop) arrives I'll see how the servers are, but I'll probably end up paying for it on steam anyway.

 

hey- im really itching to preorder this sucker for $40 from walmart, but i want to make sure that it is a steam game before i do it

ie. when i reformat my computer i can reinstall the game via steam, and i don't need the disc.

can anyone verify this?

 

Yes that is correct mate. Your multiplayer saves will also be stored on Steamcloud.
I might get the game when I run out of other things to play.

 

I guess the fact that MW2 has a clan option, just like MW did, did not don on you and your mates?

It isn't a mess, it's worked on the consoles for two years. The only mess that's apparent is being caused by people who do not want change.

P.S. If you just want the single-player than just pirate the damn game.

edit: Kind of had to laugh at this, "What IW has done to the PC community is really a smack in the face to the people that made you what you are today." I'm sorry to break your heart but the PC has sold the least amount of copies. IW was made what it is by the consoles since CoD2.

 

LOL, any sane person knows dedicated servers are FAR better than p2p connections for online play -- thats why they are offered. If you can't comprehend that then you're a fool.

COD2 would have NEVER made it to the console if, and a big IF here because this IS the main point, COD1 wouldn't have been so successful on the pc, as well as United offensive expansions. Because 1 comes before 2, it's basic logic.

Obviously you are not a pc gamer. Period.

 

Every day I wake up, come on this forum and see people making new thread abt this game. It's like free advertising and it makes me sick. Why? Why are you doing this to the PC community?

 

If I'm not a PC gamer than you aren't a man, considering you're crying over the loss of dedicated servers in a game.

What next? You're going to have a funeral for Duke Nukem Forever?

Trust me, Infinity Ward has gained a greater profit from consoles as of 2. Sure 1 started on the PCs but do you really think they gained the mass popularity they have through that one game? Doubt it.

This also brings me to question what sort of connection you run if you fear P2P servers.

I've been playing on them since CoD4 and I haven't had many dissatisfying experiences relating to the servers.

 

Obviously you sir, are very short-sighted if you can not see this is more about 1 single game as it is about the merging trend of the PC market getting shafted by communities and a market share that built them.

Their really isn't anything more to say to you if you can't understand that.

Feel free, though, to play the oncoming lag-fest which is call of duty MW2, on you're peer2peer network with 2 other people.

GG's.

 

First you should actually play on a P2P network before smashing it.

Oh wait, that's a habit for you to smash something you've never even seen or played on is it? If you've had bad experiences that's your problem, but don't wreck everyone else's parade.

You must be one of those who also smashes MAG, saying it's going to be a lag fest.

Some people.

 

I'm a console gamer, but I enjoy the fact that when I play my games on PC I can go a server list (without having any friends on pc games) and joining sniper only lobbies or other fun gametypes. The fact IW is taking this away pisses me off beyond anything because the idea that a game studio can change something so important as this and STILL expect solid sales pisses me off.

 

I too am a bit bummed about the change in the way multiplayer is being handled, but in my opinion, before one actually sees how it works (which none of us has since it's not out yet), there is no room for complaint (judging a book by its cover). There is still a good chance that MW2 will use a dedicated server system, just not how we are used to it (L4D is a PC game which uses matchmaking using Steam's system [which is the exact same thing that MW2 is planning on doing] and it still uses dedicated servers, you just can't pick one unless you go into the Steam server browser [the matchmaking system automatically picks one for you]). I think until the game is out and we can actually see what the multiplayer is like, we have no right to complain about it based on our own preconceived notions.

I am not trying to defend Infinity Ward for making the decision they did, but I don't really approve of calling them out for doing something "dumb" without even knowing exactly what they did is. It's like convicting someone of a crime just because you think something they did could possibly be a crime, but you don't really know they actually did.

 

So you assume I haven't played p2p?

Fear 2, was p2p and failed miserably because of horrid, and I mean horrid lag.

Just recently a game called Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising was released with NO dedicated server support, and it is the cause of much uproar in the PC community because it too is a failure of a lagfest, i know firsthand.

Regardless of what you believe about p2p matchmaking w/o dedi servers for an FPS, the truth is that it has never or will never work with current broadband technology, and thus why today we have companies that provide these services.

Now you can go on and on about how good matchmaking is and how great it is. The fact remains, however that it is awful.

 

yes but L4D HAS dedicated servers. MW2 does not. L4D groups the 4v4 or campaign to a best dedicated server. MW2 will find the best HOST, which is not a dedicated server, but instead a person hosting over their internet.

Those are two very big differences. One being efficient, while the other is hit or miss, even with such small numbers as 4 players.

 

dont like it why click on the link to open it.

anyways enugh of the flame wars people. ta

 

Im still not getting different release dates for this game.

 

Well it works on consoles so I guess you're an isolated loony.

Not to mention, like Matrinix said, you have no real idea how this will work. It could group you to a server instead of a player host. You just won't be able to choose your rooms.

IMO if it worked for about ten million, I'm sure it will work for the other five.

 

They've already confirmed that it's player hosting. I don't understand why you're in every MW2 thread, shilling for p2p, IW, console MP, and the loss of dedicated servers. You're clearly clueless on the subject, having never played any multiplayer game (PC or console) on a dedicated server, so stop addressing it from a position of authority.

P2P matchmaking is objectively inferior, and to argue otherwise is daft.

Think really hard before you respond to my post.

 

Don't worry about him, I've been going back and forth with him about this MW2 mess and he still doesn't get it. He is a troll for sure.

 

Yes because I haven't played Battlefield 2, 1942, Half Life Deatmatch, Counter Strike: Source, Killzone 2 (oh look here a console title ), Resistance, Resistance 2 and so on.

Why am I listing myself off to you anyways?

The same stuff always happens. If you're against the crowd you're wrong. Well to hell with that if everyone's reply is constantly going to be, "You aren't a PC gamer" or, "You have no idea what dedicated servers are."

I don't care if your statistics, or general idea, of P2P and dedicated servers say that one is better than the other. My personal experience tells me, me that neither is superior. Maybe it's because I only play on Western US servers when I play on games utilizing dedicated servers. Or I've been lucky to have great P2P games.

That doesn't matter though. If you can't take one's opinion without having to bust out your all knowing intellect and how dedicated servers are god of all and Infinity Ward are the devil then maybe you should stop addressing the issue from a position of authority.

And if my reply to Naticus hasn't made it clear, don't assume if someone has played, or not played, a certain game or if they're a gamer. Let people classify themselves and mind your own self.

edit: Yes Naticus, if I'm against the group I must be a troll. I guess McCain was a troll too then, no? If this is how you handle people with different points of view I'd love to see how you handle yourself at work or otherwise.

 

There is only one fact that we need look at to know that IW messed up with IW.net on the PC.

Since it was leaked that there would be no dedicated servers and all games would be based off a matchmaking service based on P2P connections, Infinity Ward has ABSOLUTELY REFUSED to directly respond to PC gamers concerns about the lack of dedicated servers and questions asked by the PC community. If they were so sure about IW.net working better than dedicated servers, doesn't it seem strange to you that they haven't said anything about it? Especially considering the possibly millions of dollars of sales losses they may experience due to this.

 

It really depends how much money they're losing v.s. how much they're going to make and whether they care about every penny.

At this rate with the current amount of signatures on this site (considering MW2 at $60) they're only losing $870,000 (rounded up).

Sure it sounds like a lot of money but the ten million plus that will buy this game will net in 600 million plus. Not really even a small dent you see.

Given we don't know how many people won't buy this, but you have to see that this boycott won't hurt them in the long run.

 

I asked you before, if you'd played COD4 or any other game on a DedServ, and you never responded. I took that as a 'no', plus you post like they've never existed to you.

I have no problem with you having a good experience with P2P, but it's the way that you ignore others perspectives that rubs people the wrong way. All your repetition is 'p2p isn't that bad, stop whining/complaining'. Okay, I can respect that. But you never have acknowledged the advantages of the servers and why they can provide a better option for online experiences.

There's opinions and there's facts.

Opinion: p2p is better. I like p2p.

Opinion: servers are better. I like servers.

Fact(s): there's less lag, more choice, international play, clan support, mods, better moderation, and freedom to play what modes you want, on a dedicated server system.

From the beginning, if you had just said something like, "I have no problem with p2p, but I understand why people are so upset with the loss". But no, you started off by saying you're "loving the crying" and "you're being put in your place". Surely you can understand why some will take exception with that style of post.

Let's be peaceful.

 

Let's be peaceful.

I don't remember being asked, but no I haven't played CoD4 on dedicated servers. Which is why I'm so gung-ho for P2P. It's just always worked.

Now I know that the loss is a big deal, but having had a decent experience with P2P in CoD4 I'd like others to know that you'll still appreciate MW2.

What P2P offers, or should offer in a dreamworld, is playing with people at your rank and in your area.

This may seem as a downer to some due to not being able to play with people far away, but because the game's being routed through Steam you can still play with your buds. Even if they're in China or Germany.

I guess what you're really losing is the moderation and the ability to always have that favourite place to play. But then again if you're in a clan, you can always just make big parties and play in one game.

Who knows though, dedicated server patches happen. Maybe there will be some a couple months in.

 

This game's multiplayer = fail. IW doesn't give @$%@ abt PC players, why should we buy this piece of junk?

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Well for starters you are basing your math off the wrong petition.. The actual main petition is right here: http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw

Soooo that would be 157434*60= 9,446,040 or roughly 9.5 MILLION dollars!..

 

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i still am when i have money

 

i was just about to say . that other petition only has 14482 Total Signatures. this is the problem. so many people world wide start the same sort of thing and to be honest none of them are legaly binding.
for a petition you must have a persons name and address and post code/zip code for it to be taken seriously. anyone can make up an email address so sadly all the petitions out there are worthless.
lets just hope they dont get into the wrong hands as over 100,000 email addresses are a spammers wet dream.

 

legally binding?

it doesn't matter how many people sign a petition, IW can do whatever they want. there is no legal force behind these internet petitions regardless of the personal info they have for each signer.

 

i'll be buying on steam @ release... gonna be great.

 

Please review how the matchmaking works.

 

Will do.
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