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    Can Intel GMA 4500MHD run Photoshop??

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Liricas, Sep 24, 2008.

  1. Liricas

    Liricas Notebook Guru

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    Can the Intel GMA 4500MHD GPU run Photoshop? And if yes, is it fast?

    ghx

    lAirac
     
  2. SpeedyMods

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    Video card is irrelevant for Photoshop. It's all in the CPU. My configuration runs PS just fine, heck, I've run Photoshop on a Dell Inspiron 5000e with a 650mhz PIII, 384mb of RAM, and a 16mb graphics card. That took a long time to open, but it ran Photoshop fine so long as you weren't multitasking or working with high res images.

    It's all about the processor.

    Greg
     
  3. Liricas

    Liricas Notebook Guru

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    are you 100% sure? And will it be fast? or when i render a picture it takes me half an hour?
     
  4. SockMan!

    SockMan! Notebook Geek

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    Perfectly fine. Photoshop doesn't depend on the video card at all (so long as you have adequate 2D performance - basically anything newer than a 90s videocard).

    The upcoming Photoshop CS4 supposedly utilizes the GPU for increased performance, but I don't know the specifics about it.
     
  5. Greg

    Greg Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Photoshop is 2D. It uses the processor.
     
  6. Dook

    Dook Notebook Virtuoso

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    As everyone has said, the current run of photoshop(Up to CS3) is video card agnostic. I've run photoshop fantastically on just about every video card imaginable. As long as you have a decent processor, you're golden.
     
  7. cjcerny

    cjcerny Notebook Consultant

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    Photoshop is currently 2D only so the video card is totally irrelevent. The newest version, which should be released in the next few weeks, does use the GPU for some tasks, so a faster GPU will make those tasks finish faster.
     
  8. Liricas

    Liricas Notebook Guru

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    Ram does really affect Photoshop, right?

    What would you recommend, I use most Photoshop and Internet, sometime a little bit gaming

    Intel 4500HDM?

    or

    A small Graphic card (like 9400 gs, not a really good one)?
     
  9. usapatriot

    usapatriot Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    If you work with large .TIFF files or other uncompressed file formats I would would really recommend 4 gigabytes of RAM with a fast CPU. If you work mainly with JPEG's and GIF's 2 gigabytes will be enough.

    Also depending on which OS you use, with Vista (Make sure to get 64-bit) you definitely want 4GB, with XP should be able to get away with 2GB.

    If you do a little bit a gaming a dedicated video card would really be recommended.
     
  10. Budding

    Budding Notebook Virtuoso

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    Which GPU you go with really won't make much difference in the tasks you have listed. Why not list a few models of laptops you're considering along with their respective prices, so that we may advise you on which is the better value for money?
     
  11. Liricas

    Liricas Notebook Guru

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    1) What is your budget? $ 1200

    2) What size notebook would you prefer?

    a. Ultraportable; 12" screen or less
    b. Thin and Light; 13" - 14" screen
    can live with a 15" would prefer smaller

    5) What tasks will you be performing with the notebook?

    Mainly Photoshop and Internet, just a little bit of Gaming

    6) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places or leaving it on your desk? Yes, but weight isn't too important

    7) Will you be playing games on it; if so, which games?
    CoD 4, Guild Wars

    8) How many hours of battery life do you need?
    At least 2 hours

    10) What OS do you prefer? Windows (XP or Vista), Mac OS, Linux, etc.

    Windows, would prefer Vista

    11) From the choices below, what screen resolutions would you prefer?

    all higher than 1280*800

    13) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?

    A little bit, should be stylish or precious

    14) When are you buying this laptop and how long do you want this laptop to last?

    Now or within the next month

    Notebook Components

    15) How much hard drive space do you want; 40GB to 500GB?

    at least 200 GB

    16) Do you need an optical drive? If yes, a CDRW/DVD-ROM, DVD Burner or Blu-Ray drive?

    It's not too important but a Blueray would be nice
     
  12. Gulkor

    Gulkor Notebook Consultant

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    i found what i think you would look it's a Asus F8 Series F8VA-B1

    Spec's

    Cpu P8400 2.26/3mb/1066
    Mem 4gb 2x2gb DDR2 800
    HDD 250gb 5400rpm
    Gpu Ati mobile 3650 1024MB Dedicated
    LCD 14" WXGA" 1440x900
    Bluetooth/Fingerprint reader/bag&mouse
    5.74lb

    1 Year Asus Accidental Damage Warranty
    2 Yeay Warranty

    $1,199.99
    With $150 rebate

    brings the total $1,049.99

    its at newegg

    Here is link http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220337

    thats a good price for everything you get with it.
     
  13. XPS1330

    XPS1330 Notebook Deity

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    The New PhotoShop CS4/ Creative Suite 4, etc. Will utilize GPU processing and after watching a few demonstration videos, I'm wondering "why they didnt they implement this earlier"??
     
  14. Blarg

    Blarg Notebook Consultant

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    It's probably hard enough to sell non-professionals(and even some of them) the super pricey software upgrades on a regular basis. Requiring them to keep upgrading their computers too would be making keeping up with the latest photoshop releases very expensive, and might help drive the markets for an alternative.
     
  15. SockMan!

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that CS4 will use the GPU only for a performance boost. In other words, it's optional and you can still get along just fine with a decent enough CPU.

    It's not a like a videogame where you need a good CPU and videocard for ever-more-demanding games.

    It probably just didn't make practical or financial sense to implement GPU acceleration before. Though I'm not sure what's changed now aside from the improved performance of GPUs today compared to yesteryear.
     
  16. Liricas

    Liricas Notebook Guru

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    yes i looked at the asus too but i was scared about the cpu... is the 8400 able to run photoshop?
     
  17. SockMan!

    SockMan! Notebook Geek

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    Just about any recent CPU will run photoshop well. The 8400 is quite speedy and be will more than adequate.

    Besides, you should probably be more concerned about getting lots of RAM than worrying about the CPU or graphics.
     
  18. Gulkor

    Gulkor Notebook Consultant

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    the cpu will be fine. it has 4gb of ram which is what is used in alot of system's now. i belive that laptop i showed you from newegg would run photoshop very well.
     
  19. eggyolkchicken

    eggyolkchicken Newbie

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    it's probably a bit late to join this thread, however im very happy
    that i finally found some useful information i really needed!

    i was interested in fujitsu A1110 for it's size, outfit (white version), and
    most importantly, it's made in japan! (not assembled in japan)

    the only thing to concern about was it's a little bit moderate in perfromance
    compared to other competitors of the same range of price.

    Im a student photographer therefore i need a laptop which i can carry around and also use as a desktop, otherwise i think im fine with school lab.

    what i think is to leave heavy task to the computers in the lab and work rather small files (10-100mb) on the laptop. would 4500GMA allow me to work on several files with such size with multiple windows at the same time?

    spec:
    processor: intel dual-core T3400
    memory: max 4GB
    graphics: GMA 4500MHD
     
  20. crazycanuk

    crazycanuk Notebook Virtuoso

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    yes, as everyone has said photoshop does not use the video card much at all, even CS4 uses it fairly minimally from what I have found. and a high end 2D card works very well but those are impossible to find in a laptop nowadays.

    your machine spec you posted should work very well unless you want to work on some half gigabyte tiff images as once. If you are planning on working withalot of large images or separations a quad core would be nicer
     
  21. lokster

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    i use photoshop cs4 on my laptop and it takes like 10-12 seconds to open up.

    whats really important for Adobe products is RAM adobe and illustrator will eat A HELL LOT OF YOUR RAM. 1GB if it wanted to and if your canvas is big enough. usually a bunch of A4 size designs.

    And the CPU is important too, at least 2ghz and its faster on an intel than AMD.

    GPU has nothing to do with it. it opens up slower on my gaming desktop.
    AMD 4400+ 2GB RAM + HD 4850 video card!!
     
  22. crazycanuk

    crazycanuk Notebook Virtuoso

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    Fast hard drive or SSD is also quite handy but yes RAM is your friend
     
  23. eggyolkchicken

    eggyolkchicken Newbie

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    thanks for the quick replies, both of you guys :)

    what you've said indeed build up my faith cuz im tired of being pushed by
    computer sales for what they often do is just panic you like there's no tommorow so you will buy the fancy stuff they recommand... :(
     
  24. crazycanuk

    crazycanuk Notebook Virtuoso

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    anytime, and I would certantly agree about computer salesmen.

    I will use an example with photoshop CS3, I can get it to run MUCH faster on an old Matrox 32 mb video card than one of the " big box " custom shops could on the old Nvidia 8800Ultra ... KNOW what your software needs
     
  25. lokster

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    only people who dont know much about computers get conned that way. :D i suggest research and learn abit about computers before going out and buying.

    know what you want. since ur gona use photoshop mainly and mostly you now know GPU isnt an issue. so look at CPU+RAM+HDD
     
  26. peakjar

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    Do you guys believe a laptop with 1,4 Ghz Core 2 Solo SU3500 with 4gb RAM and the Intel GMA 4500MHD would handle CS4 Photoshop (and the Adobe suite in general) with ease?

    :confused:
     
  27. Lithus

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    1.4 GHz single core processor would not perform adequately. Adobe recommends at least a 1.8 GHz processor. I would recommend at least a dual core.
     
  28. peakjar

    peakjar Newbie

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    Yes I have read that spec on Adobe's homepage. But then there is this matter Intel vs. AMD processors... so maybe Intels clock frequence is a bit more efficient :rolleyes:

    :p

    You think CS3 would work much better?
     
  29. Harleyquin07

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    Don't be too disappointed if the "more efficient" Intel CPU frequency still fails to run Photoshop properly on your stated configuration.
     
  30. misterbk

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    Have to bring this thread back because it gets nearly top slot on google and has a lot of misinformation about Photoshop CS4.

    (sorry, but it does.)

    Photoshop CS4 uses GPU acceleration for things like canvas rotation and navigating the image. It also requires that your GPU drivers support its display functions, or you will be either unable to turn on GPU acceleration or will have crashes.

    With an underpowered video card, OR when using CS4 in Windows Vista (don't know why but it's been this way on 4 different systems!) you should expect to have slow, chuggy grab-and-drag panning (spacebar) and slow updates on image rotation.

    On a GPU with limited onboard RAM you will not be able to open as many documents before Photoshop disables GPU acceleration features.

    (EDIT: My GPU has 1GB of onboard RAM and disabled GPU acceleration somewhere between 17 and 24 documents. Documents were roughly 1,000-ish by 2,000-ish.) I've only hit that limit once. The error message specifically mentioned the RAM that the GPU uses, not system RAM. I continued to open documents with GPU features disabled. This GPU is a Quadro FX 3700m, roughly equivalent to Geforce 9800m or GTX 260m. Source: notebookcheck benchmark list. Photoshop CS4 64-bit running on Windows 7 RC 64-bit.)

    A system with a powerful GPU is capable of panning very large documents at smooth rates in Windows 7. For some reason, the same systems in Vista have had terrible performance to the point of being unusable. (100px wide standard smooth airbrush set to 25% stamp distance, on a 1440x1080 image with two layers: brush drawing at 4fps, canvas dragging at 2fps, canvas rotation taking avg. 1 second per frame.) By unusable I mean I improved my productivity by uninstalling CS4, installing CS3, and working in that.

    Windows 7, all those functions perform perfectly, meaning those things are snappy and interactive and I am unable to tell the passing of individual frames.

    The Vista situation may have improved. I personally am avoiding the Intel GMA series for Photoshop CS4 until I personally see a system using it at interactive framerates with GPU features in Photoshop CS4.

    If you cannot use GPU features, I'm not sure what benefit CS4 gives over CS3. The flagship features for me are canvas rotation and 3D models. I believe smart objects may have become more flexible but I don't use them much. I seem to remember noticing more filters available for smart object layers. I do not know whether smart objects use 3D hardware.
     
  31. misterbk

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    GHz does not matter in the slightest except when comparing within a line.

    Assume Adobe is talking about a Core 2 Duo and look up a benchmark list. Find the Core-2 Duo at 1.8ghz. CPUs performing better than that chip are good.

    If you don't need to interactively draw a 500-px wide double brush with canvas rotation, or can deal with disabling the clone stamp overlay, and don't need to use full-image clone stamp overlay, then you're probably just fine.
     
  32. Lithus

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    Clock speed can DEFINITELY be a determinant on whether or not a system can run a program, especially when the type of processor is known (Core 2 Solo).

    And Adobe is not talking about a Core 2 Duo. They will specify "Dual Core" when they're talking about a dual core processor.