Can my $4,000 2013 gaming laptop run HTC Vive? How much is it worth today?

Hi, I'm looking for help about upgrading to VR gaming. I have a Mythologic Gaming laptop that I bought for $4,000 in 2013. The specs of it are bellow. I was wondering if its best to sell this laptop and build a desktop or if I can just upgrade certain parts of my laptop through Mythologic and that would do it?

Mobile Chassis: MYTHLOGIC Nyx 5713 (Clevo P570WM) Exterior Finish: Carbon Fiber Wrapped LCD Lid Mobile Display: 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) Matte 72% NTSC Color Gamut LED Backlit LCD Dead Pixel Guarantee: MYTH Pixel Perfect Guarantee Monitor Calibration: Free MYTH Professional Monitor Color Calibration CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.40GHz, 2133MHz DDR3, 12MB Cache, Hex Core Processor Thermal Compound: Free IC Diamond Thermal Compound System Memory: 32GB (4 x 8GB) , PC3-12800, 1600MHz SODIMM Quad-core processors ONLY! Video Adapter: NVIDIA 780M 4096MB GDDR5 DX11 Compliant Video Card Optical: Notebook Black 8X DVD+RW/CDRW Combo Drive Hard Drive: Samsung 250GB 840 EVO Series SATA III 6Gb/s Solid State Drive Hard Drive: 1TB 7200 32MB Cache SATA 3GB/sec Mecanical Hard Drive Keyboard: Standard Backlit Keyboard - NON Chiclet Webcam: Integrated Webcam Fingerprint Reader: Integrated Fingerprint Reader Wireless Card: Intel Centrino Advanced-AC 7260 2*2 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n + BT 4.0 350/867MB Total Bandwidth Bluetooth: Integrated Bluetooth 4.0 (On supported wireless cards) Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate Anti-Virus Software: Microsoft Security Essentials MYTHLOGIC Assurance: MYTH Lifetime Assurance with Lifetime Labor + 3 Years Parts Warranty, 3 Yrs 2-Way Shipping Canada Phoenix Upgrade Plan: Lifetime Phoenix Upgrade Plan

I also wanted to ask if I was to just sell my Mythologic, how much could I get for it?

Thanks, Gherry

 

Not that well unfortunately. I think it now probably may meet the bare minumum requirement but it depends how well sli is implemented. Even with great scaling it'll come in a bit below a GTX 970, which was the min requirement.

If it's possible to upgrade the gpus in that thing maybe... But otherwise no unfortunately. It's too bad because you have a powerful cpu still.

Mythlogic would need to upgrade you to 970m or 980m sli. 980m sli would be a safer bet and that's crazy expensive.

Unfortunately for you video cards have advanced significantly since your purchase. It's the only real weakpoint, but the only one that matters in this case.

 

Thank you for the reply!

 

you may want to upgrade to a 980M, then VR should be okey, you have an extremely powerful CPU

 

Next time you post your system specs on this forum, narrow the wall of text down to this:

Model
Screen Res:
CPU:
GPU:
RAM:

Please.

 

You got a good beast there.. CPU/RAM wise your sorted.. You probably need to do a 980M upgrade and you'd be in a better place... 980M SLI would be better but around $1200-1400...

 

The P570WM does not use optimus as the X79 chipset CPUs have no IGP.

Always more to learn

 

Am I the only one thinking single 780M and 250gb SSD is not worth 4000 bucks?

 

Could be early adopter and in one of those countries that charge an arm and a leg for them (like mine which is Vietnam)

 

The P570WM was an expensive chassis with the 4930k, that much ram for the time along with the SSD...

 

Any laptop with a desktop CPU does not use Optimus.

 

Unfortunately Intel's B$ policy kept the retarded iGPU inside the 6700K for Z170 series boards... Worthless trash, They could've used that die space for more cache like the prodigy - i7 5775C. Or even leave it alone adding more thermal headroom, the misfire was Haswell with it's FIVR, Seems like after Kabyflake we will get the FIVR back again onto the die (Read this on NBR from ajc's post somewhere)

Only the X series chipsets/CPUs have that abomination exorcised, Who's the idiot that will use the 6700K with an iGPU ? ROFL... RetardedIntel.


A 980M SLI would keep that beast Panther machine running for VR perfectly, Unfortunately that's where the line ends. Pascal non standard 3.x MXM cards don't have SLI (MSI which is closest, with a mod. Clevos have SLI but unusable and no AMD cards atm in the market.)

 

I get where you're coming from but putting an iGPU with 6700K was purely for the more casual multimedia stream of laptops which required a bance of power and battery life. Optimus was the bridge to that. But in retrospect, I don't think it ever, not in a single instance of use did it ever make my life easier. But I guess I wasn't in their loop so to speak.

SLI actually has problems running VR smoothly. In theory it can but I believe there will always be a latency present when using SLI. Otherwise the power of two 980Ms should be more than enough.

 

It's kind of amazing to me how bad a value proposition gaming notebooks used to be, and how with Pascal, the value-over-time has been improved substantially.

Considering desktop GPUs, even the midrange, tend to last quite a long time, and pair that with the fact that most PC games are console ports now and will run reliably on the midrange class (GTX1060) at 1080p for presumably the next 3~5 years, really as long as you take care of your notebook, you'll probably be able to use it for as comfortably long as you would a desktop grade graphics card.

Considering I bought my HD7970 when it came out and I still use it fine today @ 1080p in triple A titles with a few graphical sacrifices here and there, that's a long time.

 

That's very true. If you're willing to make graphical sacrifices (I am), even GPUs like the 780m, 970m, 980m, etc are still usable today and likely will be for quite a few more years depending on how many sacrifices you are willing to make. I always prefer higher frame rate over higher quality.

 

But the 6700k is a desktop chip. Laptop battery life wasn't a consideration.
Even more reason for it not to be there.

 

I prefer being able to lug my laptop to a different part of the house, that's why I bought nothing but gaming notebooks for the past 8 years (yes I'm including a Vostro 1500 in that but it was basically the same hardware as the XPS M1530). I used to have split workplace and home office and be between residences fairly often as well. In an era when cloud everything wasn't around transferring work between computers was a nightmare, and it still isn't completely painless either

Intel is all about modularity. If you look at how they slice and dice a standard die layout to get 2, 4 core and more variants of chips, it's all about whats in it for them, not the good of the chips themselves. The 6700k is (probably, I haven't checked this exhaustively) the exact same die as all the other 4 core skylakes right down to the 35W HTPC grade processors, that's why the iGPU is still there

FWIW, Optimus *is* the greatest single battery improving technology for laptops with a dedicated GPU. Without it there would not be a single notebook with a 3 hour runtime in the last 5 years. I would bet without checking that every single one with Optimus gets at least that and recent ones almost always get close to 5 hours. It's one thing I'm actually missing with this DTR beast, it uses 15W of CPU, and 2 x 10W GPUs at complete bone idle, which means I'll never get even 2 hours out of it. Now, how much that matters is of course an individual thing

 

$4k for a single GPU laptop that now isn't even worth $750.

Kind of reinforces why I don't believe in spending more than ~$2k per gaming laptop. You never get true value from the super expensive ones.

It's better to spend $2k for a new laptop every 2 years, than to spend $4k once. You always end up with the newest tech that way, with a huge leap in GPU power each time.

 

Do you not think that's changed with Pascal cards in laptops now? Before an 780m wouldn't last long (as evidenced by this thread). But how about 1080 or 1070 in a 17 or 15 incher respectively?

I have a 1080 desktop card and expect to use it comfortably at 1440p for like 5 years on triple-A titles. If you're okay to sacrifice some graphics and resolution (drop to 1080 which would be fine on a small laptop screen), then it improves the value more.

Given general CPU stagnation due to lack of competition (we've had measly 10% IPC gains for like 3 generations now), it doesn't seem like you miss out all that much in terms of long-term value anymore if you get a pascal gaming laptop.

 

The 780M (especially if overclocked), which still beats the crap out of the GTX 960M head to head, even betters the 965M, is far from an obsolete chip. It is a GTX 680 after all.

My commentary was solely aimed at the amount one spends on a laptop.

I'm all about the path that nets me the latest tech. Spending huge today does not accomplish such a thing.

Take my last situation: I also owned a GTX 780M laptop, an MSI GT70, I spent $1,883.98 on it. 2 years later I bought a GT72 w/ 980M for $2,199. In the end I spent as much as the OP, but came out of it in a significantly stronger position.

even with Pascal, I feel the same way about today's $3,000+ 1080 machines. I'd rather buy a ~$2k 1070 laptop, sell it in a year for well over $1k, then buy a Volta 1170 machine for another $2k. Again, I'd come out ahead in technology, for the same or slightly less cost.

All that said, this is only the philosophy to which I hold myself.

 

Yup. "The best way to future proof is to keep your money in your wallet." That's the best advice I ever read about how to buy a gaming laptop.

Well, it's the best advice for someone like me who isn't rich, anyway