Can we really see the difference? Refresh rates/game settings

30hz/60hz/120hz/144hz/240hz

can we really see the difference?
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low/medium/high/ultra

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basically if you owned a 970m 3 years ago and upgraded, you wasted your money unless VR is your thing...

To everyone else opinions and thoughts on why laptops are pushing ultra settings at 144hz? when there is no
Discernible difference.

 

also I posted this because I jumped ship from 60hz gaming to 120hz gaming and NBR swore that the difference is huge.... I really and now i mean really cannot see the difference.

im playing grid autosport at medium 1080p and averaging 150fps and it looks identical to 60hz and feel well identical...I just got a gp72 7rdx and im stuggling too see what you guys are talking about..

 

I guess this debate will never end.

We determine motion, not refresh rate.

75hz is much better than 60hz, too much jitter at 60hz. That said I personally like 144hz but set to 120FPS avg since i dont like messing with Freesync/G-sync and just leave vsync off.

 

trust me, ull always find more than enough users SWEARING on their mother's grave that the difference is HUMONGOUS. and if YOU cant see it its your own fault / you have bad eyes / youre too old / blah

 

lol yeah.....I was sooooooo excited to try out 120hz.....downloaded grid autosport and booted it up....omg um felt the same...and if you watch the video the guy got 4/5 guesses wrong.....he could not tell the difference between 120hz and 60hz just like me......but damn was I convinced that ultra and 120hz would be epic....lol truth hurts

 

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it will never end because the truth is there is no descernable difference.....you are either human and cannot spot the diff or you are not human......i'd imagine the people that can spot the diff are incredibly picky gamers....because like I posted I personally just bought a laptop over all the hype for 120hz and it was an huge letdown...

 

We determine motion. The problem is how the argument is typically framed because of the medium we exist in. its malformed.

I can easily spot the difference from 60 to 90hz. Its like taking a landscape shot from 24fps to 60fps in movies or anime etc.

citing Linus is really not going to help the argument either when hes basically a PR guy acting as a tech reviewer.

If you cant determine the difference at 120hz then count your graces and just be happy that you can spend less on your hobby.

 

If you really cannot see the difference between 30Hz, 60Hz, and 120Hz at least, then I question your physical health. Even my 50+ year old mother can see the difference.

 

I rest my case...

 

Then again, some people are also colorblind...

 

My best friend is colorblind and appreciates higher refresh rates in gaming. Though we play siege so having faster panels is always appreciated in that genre. In MMO's or RTS I guess it would be less appreciated I guess?

 

It was just an example. Like how some people physically cannot see certain colors, I guess it's also possible to not be able to see higher refresh rates, although I have my doubts about that.

 

You have to also take into account all the factors involved.

Make sure the game engine actually supports over 60hz, that the display is actually set to 60+hz, test to prove its actually displaying 60+hz, make sure the game is actually outputting 60+hz etc etc.

 

I mean, just moving your mouse pointer or dragging windows around on the desktop, or scrolling through web pages, should look far smoother at 120Hz. Reading text while scrolling should be far easier.

 

For those of us that use 120hz daily then yeah for sure, but to the laymen thats a bit of a toss up

 

Strongly agree. I have an old all-in-one with a TN panel that I was (miraculously) able to overclock to 100 Hz; that 8-year-old computer feels smoother than my current notebook, which has a 60 Hz panel. Just going up 40 Hz, I can definitely see the difference.

 

I had a similar first experience with high refresh rate. My 2013 Lenovo Y500 had a 60Hz TN panel that overclocked to 120Hz. Even 75Hz (+15Hz) is a significant and perceptible 25% improvement over 60Hz.

 

I've run 4K 30hz and 4K 60hz. There's definitely a noticeable difference.

I've also overclocked my 1080p m18x monitor to 75hz, 80hz and 85hz. Going from 60hz to 75hz was a bigger difference than 75>80 & 80>85.

Then going to 120hz was also a huge difference. Then again I have friends that can't see the difference between 60 to 75hz.

I also have friends that can't see the much better colors of my AW13 OLED display compared to other monitors and I can see the huge difference.

It's all subjective on the person viewing them. If someone told me there's no difference, I believe them, there's no difference TO THEM, but I can see it myself , that there is a difference.

 

Coming from 60Hz, 75Hz, 120Hz (MSI GT75VR TN Panel), to now 144Hz monitor (Swift PG27UQ)...yes, there is a huge difference and very noticeable.

 

Battlefield is not the game that will fully showcase the benefit of playing in a high refresh rate monitor.

Try Quake live, Quake Champions or Reflex Arena and you''ll see the difference!

 

@JRE84, did you watch the second part of that test? From the extremely limited experiment, the conclusion being drawn seems to be that people who have a lot of high refresh rate panel usage are more sensitive to the difference than people without that experience.

 

I call this bullcrap, Linus is making videos for entertainment, not science and are not pure gamers. Its all in the details.

60hz vs 144hz is a huuuuuge difference in terms of gameplay responsiveness, feel and the ability to track fast moving scenes.

In game settings depend per game but even in BF5 it is easy to see the differences, there is a higher contrast of shadows and most of all sharper shadows and detailed objects in far distances on uultra settings which disappears on low settings. But static camera viewpoints hardly show this.

 

Thats your own issue and lack of good eyes and attention and sensitivity to motion. Sometimes because I switch between 2 monitors of which one is 165hz and the other 60hz the game reverts back to 60hz on my 165hz monitor. I directly can feel & see it while playing without looking to the settings.

 

oh ok just an update, I used vsync, I notice a slight diff. however why attack this at this angle, alot and I mean alot of people perhaps millions of people cannot tell the difference. why say I'm blind if my visual accuity is not the same as yours. I have a question, surely you can see the difference between 60hz and 240hz in a fps.....does anyone have a 240hz monitor to validate?

 

ok just so I don't get caught up in my own affairs with neutralism...

for new people reading this thread that want the final answer, and enjoy learning new facts.

https://www.pcgamer.com/how-many-frames-per-second-can-the-human-eye-really-see/


looks like 90hz is the perceivable limit

 

I shouldnt have bothered lol

unsubbed

 

Quote from that article, from the professor:

"“I think typically, once you get up above 200 fps it just looks like regular, real-life motion.”

So he directly contradicts your assertions. The 90Hz mentioned is just the minimum framerate that can be used for VR so you don't barf all over yourself.

Look at this framerate test. I have 3.8, 7.5, 15, 30, 60, and 120 frames per second selected. Anyone with a 120Hz display and using Chrome with hardware acceleration enabled should clearly see 120fps as smoother than 60fps.

Science settled this debate a long time ago. Stand down, the war is over. If your eyes and brain couldn't perceive motion beyond 60fps or 90fps or whatever low number people want to throw out there, life would be miserable.

 

Who said it? Linus or you?

Whoever said it...needs to question his logic.

I owned multiple laptops with GPUs from GTX 960M, 980M SLI and now a GTX 1080...each with diffrent refresh rate...so basically I wasted my money for upgrading. Facepalm

 

edit it was just a video from linus that I agreed with, obviously everyone in NBR disagrees so I will back down....each to their own


also a side note I read somewhere else that 90hz is that max....tried looking for the article again...no luck

so the consensus is 120hz>90>60>30hz.....thats cool

so I was wrong, my apologies

 

higher numbers are always better, didnt u know?

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Depends. Germany school/university system uses opposite system - the lower is the number, the better is the grade.

 

true true, got my education in germany haha

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