Hi,
I am new to the forums here and my original post for wanting to trade a 8970m + money for a 1070m got deleted.
So I am just posting to find out if anyone knows if a 1070 MXM can fit into a Clevo P375SM / Sager NP9390 to replace a 8970m?
Also as the new series of RTX 30xx is coming out, shouldn't the price of the GTX 10xx drop?
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Short answer, if you have the 120hz panel which utilizes eDP signal then 1070 is a green light.
Otherwise you could look at @bennyg and his 1070 SLI water cooled laptop, hes got the P370EM which is I think one generation behind your laptop.Last edited: Oct 28, 2020 -
Thanks for the reply.
Wow water cooled laptops do not seem like a good idea to be but thanks for the information.
What do you think would be a fair price for the 1070 mxm Graphics Cards now that it is 2 generations old and the RTX 3070 and 3080 is gonna be $499 and $699 respectively? -
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1070's still command a decent premium especially the standard MXM form factor.
eBay always gives you a decent idea of what to pay:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=gtx+1070+mxm&_sacat=0&_sop=15 -
Thanks for the response.
It's true that the Desktop GPU's won't influence the price of Laptop GPU's however; the fact that the 3070 and 3080 mobile versions have already been teased NVIDIA (they released a picture of a laptop running the 3070) indicates a much sooner release date.
So let me alter my question slightly, what do you guys think the price of 1070 mxm would be after the release of the 3070 Mobile? -
Last year I had gotten mine for 380 USD iirc and that was the MSI 1070n which is the best version that can be had in terms of build quality and potential performance. ebay prices tend to be a bit higher than what can be had in the forums from time to time, if you are in Canada though that changes things due to currency and duties.
3070 and 3080 would only drive the price down if there are actual MXM cards, plus there is a lot of concern at present over nvidia's power consumption on them. -
That's true, they did say that with the new Ampere Architecture the 3070 and 3080 GPUs will be about 120W. But to be fair most heavy gaming laptops (MSI,Sager Clevo, Alienware, Asus, etc.) usually use 120W and higher (150W and 180W I believe) so I don't really see it as much of an issue as the RTX 20xx series can compensate for anyone with laptops below the 120W mark.
Right now I can see eBay selling it for $320.00 at the moment, but if the price doesn't drop then I can't justify getting a 1070 mxm over getting a newer laptop with the 3070/3080.
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I have a 1060 it does everything cept dishes. 1070 is a nice bump up...i'd say 1070 for 1080p gaming and 3080 for 4k...no real reason for 3080 besides 4k
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Does anyone know what type of MXM (3.0a, 3.0b, 3.1, 3.1b)for either the 1060 or 1070 I will need to fit into the P375SM? -
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If a 1070 will allow you to game comfortably for the next 2-3 years @ $320.00, I would get the 1070 and be content for the next 2-3 years. You're looking at >=3x the performance of your 8970.
On the other hand, you can hold onto what you have now and wait till late spring (or later) for mobile Ampere if you want to drop at least (probably more) 1000 on a mobile 3060 or higher which will outclass the 1070 and give you a brand new system across the board and sell your old system to offset the cost. -
Right now my 8970m gives me anywhere between 11 - 26 FPS (Avg 18 FPS) when I'm playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey on the Lowest Graphic Settings, so upgrading the laptop or getting a new one is now a viable option.
This laptop has lasted me 7 years (8 years in a few months) so it's had a good run.
With games getting more and more Graphic Intensive (not to mention games no longer supporting SLI or Crossfire) I can't see the 1070 lasting 1.5 years for a subpar gaming experience at the most.
So basically I'll be paying $320.00 for a GPU that'll last me 1.5 years and then I'll have to purchase a new laptop anyway.
I'll probably get another laptop that'll last me another 7 years at least so it'll probably be expensive however; with RTX 30xx series it will be considerably cheaper compared to the RTX 20xx series or the GTX 10xx series when those first came out.
If the price of the 1060m or 1070m drops to something more reasonable in a few months time, maybe it might be a viable option.
On a separate note, assuming the prices do drop and I do proceed with the installation, does anyone know what type of MXM (3.0a, 3.0b, 3.1, 3.1b) for either the 1060 or 1070 I will need to fit into the Clevo P375SM / Sager NP9390?
This is a link to all the specs on my laptop if anyone is interested: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-EUROCOM-X7-Clevo-P375SM-Notebook.102312.0.htmlJRE84 likes this. -
MXM pricing doesnt really follow desktop pricing.
780m = 300 USD
980m = 225 USD
1070 for 320 USD is actually pretty good for ebay, that is not likely to last.JRE84 likes this. -
i say go for the 1070 its alot faster than the 1060...should be good at 1080p for 4 years.
new consoles are releasing and they are targeting 4k...2080ti performance....so a 1070 at 1080p might last 8 years....might -
The 30xx series is being marketed at such low prices in order to compete with Microsoft and Sonys' new consoles. As such the mobile versions of the 30xx series will be cheaper than its predecessors.
So if I can spend $1300 on a new laptop with the 30xx series GPU and sell my old P375SM for $1000 then I'd essentially be paying less than the cost of a 1070m upgrade ($320) for a new laptop with significantly better specs.
On a separate note, assuming the prices do drop and I do proceed with the installation, does anyone know what type of MXM (3.0a, 3.0b, 3.1, 3.1b) for either the 1060 or 1070 I will need to fit into the Clevo P375SM / Sager NP9390?
This is a link to all the specs on my laptop if anyone is interested: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-EUROCOM-X7-Clevo-P375SM-Notebook.102312.0.htmlJRE84 likes this. -
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I find that highly doubtful that it'll last 4-8 years; my estimate is 2 years max as the new generation of gaming that is yet to come is being built for 4k performance which means higher demands for graphics quality.
Unfortunately, we won't know for certain until these games actually come out (Halo:Infinite, Cyber 2077, Horizon Zero Dawn 2, Resident Evil 8, etc.), and we can test them.
Perhaps if SLI or Crossfire were still being supported it may last longer than 2 years, but that is not the case.
On a separate note, assuming the prices do drop and I do proceed with the installation, does anyone know what type of MXM (3.0a, 3.0b, 3.1, 3.1b) for either the 1060 or 1070 I will need to fit into the Clevo P375SM / Sager NP9390?
This is a link to all the specs on my laptop if anyone is interested: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-EUROCOM-X7-Clevo-P375SM-Notebook.102312.0.htmlJRE84 likes this. -
Also no offense received, I am open to criticism as it'l help me improve my understanding of various things.JRE84 likes this. -
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i7 8750h and 1060 / 1660Ti laptops can be had for 800 new, especially with black friday looming on the horizon.
I dont know about 1070 lasting 8 years from now, but it will enable significantly more than your current 8970m, which is basically a desktop HD 7870.
I didnt lack for FPS with the 1070 installed in my 17 R1, I played what ever I wanted to play, its been about 7-8 months since I moved on to the P750ZM after finding out the EC limited my overclocking potential of the 1070 and I just gave up on the Ranger platform.
Not going to say your laptop is worthless either, far from. I would just temper your expectations of a price on that machine. Even the Alienware 17 R1 was considered the best 4th generation laptop and it doesnt command an 800 USD price even with a 1070 installed. -
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Well... If I may chime in here for a bit, fully decked AW 17 R1 aka the Ranger, fully decked out, with 120Hz screen, a 1070M or equivalent, 32GB@2133MHz can and will run CP2077 with no difficulty, looking at the recommended requirements. With my P4000 (as proven being a "GTX 1065" equivalent judging by benchmarks) holds every single AAA title so far with 60+FPS on Ultra settings, even Crysis Remastered (being a bug-riddled mess when it comes to optimisation, AGAIN, history repeats itself ad nauseam...) going fluidly at about 45-50FPS at "Can it run Crysis?" settings with RTX off, because then it drops to PowerPoint Presentation level with 'teen frames, but that's what you get when you switch pointless gimmicks on. Borderlands 3? 80+, when things go into VFX maelstrom never drops below 60. Jedi Fallen Order almost always around 100. Couldn't give a crap about new CoD, but I guess it would also be pretty high. Doom Eternal went strong at about 100FPS when everything was exploding around.
Even with new generation, unless the developers reaaaaally push the requirements ( which were predicted with Pascal gen, and never truly delivered, and were predicted with Maxwell gen, which were predicted with Kepler gen... you get the point) or start to mess up with game optimisation (like with "twice the charm" Crysis example, I mean Jesus Christ, this game is still pretty with environment and still hideous with human faces) we still won't see a huge decline with game performance on any upgradeable and seemingly aging machine. General increase of performance each generation is averaged at about 15% a most (running Jedi:FO on m15x 940XM OC'd, 16GB@1600, M4000M@4GB and 17R1 4910MQ stock, 32GB@2133, P4000M@8GB, being double the resources, I've seen about 1,5 the stats, and they are separated by a few generations, not to mention hardware capacity like double the RAM or double GPU VRAM, the second machine being much more timeless due to no GPU chokepoint because it's not limited to a certain generation, yet still there are m15x motherboards floating around with eDP, that can theoretically let this 10+ years old machine run Pascal+ cards) and with all the established trends and unwritten laws the increase is fairly linear; most machines last for a few years stock, and generally double that if you can upgrade them (aforementioned Ranger proving that).
If what you want is 8K 300Hz gaming, then sure, your P375SM won't last any longer. However, if you simply want to game with 1080p@60+Hz (which for 99,9% people see and doesn't really need or see more, despite what shills tell you that is necessary) then you'll be fine with that little beast of a CLEVO. That particular machine can be decked to an unprecidented level, with almost no power limit on MXM and with proper parts, it can house 4940XM with 2x1070M (if you want to go SLI, otherwise you can plug in for example Quadro RTX 5000 or, when it comes out, some variant of 30xx card(s) ) with 32GB of 2133Mhz RAM, 120Hz screen and you WILL be set for a couple of years. maybe not 8, more likely 3-5, but if you get those parts at a fair price then they will absolutely return the investment. There is a whole community (many of them on this forum) that work their butts of to see what can be tweaked, what can be upgraded, what can be fitted into laptops that their OEMs abandoned, in many cases shaming the OEMs with results.
Can't argue with the logic of old hardware failig due to age. HOWEVER - it is still better than a failing BGA RAM chip forcing you to go through expensive fixing of the entire board rather than simply swapping it out for a new one. I'll take that gamble anytime.
And yes, he may be lucky to get 300 for it. As in for a bare bone one, plus bonus from parts resell, because laptop components still hold their prices due to some weird Cabal/Secret World Order conspiracyAlso - for resale purpose, research different markets. Fully upgraded AW 17 R1 will go for less than 800 in some countries, but in others the price skyrockets. Stock AW 18 goes for about 750 in my country, and there ain't much that can be done about it. Judging by the market, I would probably sell my Ranger for about 1000-1200 due to components, but the deal is, most customers are uninformed, going for the deals that exist in their heads due to some idea of performance/flashiness, and sellers prey on that. Ever saw an offer that had a title like "i7! 8 cores! nVidia!" for 500$ just to find out that it's a 740Q (8 THREADS, not cores) with GTX 870 and other low level stuff? Yeah. I see it way too often. I've never sunk that low, but there are many like that, on both ends - scumbags that do that and krill that gets fished with it.
Goddamn, I've ranted again. Somebody please stop me from ranting...JRE84 likes this. -
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GTX 1070m for 325$ only?
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Without extensive modification that will not work in your system.
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Hi,
First thing's first, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the detailed explanation. I understand that this would've taken quite ALOT of time to reply to and I REALLY do APPRECIATE it!
My main goal is to be able to game at High - Ultra Settings at 60FPS for the next generation of games to come (i.e. Halo:Infinite, Cyberpunk 2077, Biomutant, Beyond Good & Evil , Elder Scrolls 6, etc.), so if a 1070m can provide that I'd be more than happy to spend a reasonable amount on upgrading it. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any testing for games that have released this year ( like Ghosts of Tsushima) as all the benchmarks are being done on games that have been out for 2 years or so, which could be a by-product of the COVID-19 situation but it still puts a 2 year gap between the technology used in creating games today vs 2 years ago.
That being said, I have to also look at the opportunity cost of getting a $1000 - $1200 laptop with the new RTX 30xx series (the reason the RTX 30xx series is being marketed at such low prices was to compete with Xbox and Sony, so the Mobile GPU's will most likely follow that pattern of being low priced which in turn would make the laptops cheaper hence the estimated $1000 - $1200 price tag) which would most likely last at least 8 years with Ultra High Settings @60FPS vs 1070m upgrade (@hopefully $300-$400) which may last 3 years at Ultra High Settings if so much (if you look at Ghosts of Tsushima Recommended Settings they state to use a GTX 1070) and that's assuming I don't have to buy a new heatsink or if it is compatible with my P375SM.
The fact that this forum is dedicated to shaming OEMs for going beyond the boundaries they've set for their products makes me proud to be part of it. That's just bada$$. Unfortunately, even though I can build PCs, my expertise in laptops is very limited (most I've ever done on a laptop was to swap the positions of my 8970m GPUs, swapping the primary 8970m GPU with the secondary 8970m GPU) and I'm not too confident in my ability to find an "easily replaceable" 1070m card for my 8970m (by easily replaceable I mean one that would fit exactly into place and I won't have to do any additional work like soldering or getting a new heatsink).
You mentioned that the P375SM might be able to fit a RTX 20xx and RTX 30xx series GPU, but I find that difficult to believe as I believe the motherboard itself only supports up to Gen 3 PCIe slots whereas the RTX 20xx and RTX 30xx series both use Gen 4 PCIe and Gen 5 PCIe respectively.
Also games have discontinued support for SLI and Crossfire so only games up to 2 years ago will be SLI/Crossfire capable, so having 2 x 1070m GPUs for future gaming is useless.
Anyone who ever tells you to stop ranting useful information like this, needs to be shot
Power ON my good man!
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What type of 1070m I would need to easily replace the current 8970m I have? -
Generation of slot is not a point of contention. As long as it MXM 3.0(b) or in some instances 3.1b then any card that is of that form factor will work bar some exceptions in specific scenarios. Even if they are gen 4 I dont see any reason why it wouldnt work.
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I used an example of 1070M SLI as a possible upgrade, just a singular one would do. My Ranger fits the bill on CP2077. As for most of current gen games. I'm running modern titles on my machine now and then to test it and nothing struggled so far. Horizon Zero Dawn PC version runs smoothly, for example. As do most titles, I think Crysis was the only exception, but for the reasons stated above. Nothing throttles, nothing freezes (well, not since I've swappedmy buggy 1TB Samsung HDD to a 1TB Sandisk 3D Ultra SSD at least). And that's on a P4000 card, so performance wise it's above 1060 but below 1070. If you're looking for a 1070 card, there are a few options - regular MXM card that would be a simple plug and play, then there are variants of that, being a bit power starved, or you can do a tiny mod to fit a slightly larger MSI card (not much, and there is a step by step DIY method on the forum). Or you can hunt down a Quadro P5000/5200, but if so, look for a non-HP variant, as that one DOES require soldering, since it doesn't have a vBIOS chip. If you find a Dell card, then you need to swap the vBIOS insert at the most, which, again, is explained step by step, numerous times, here on this forumP4000 is mechanically plug and play, as it is the same form factor. Some vBIOS waggling may be necessary, but that's it.
Also, PNY is working on RTX Quadro and other Turing cards in MXM form factor, and since they need to kkep with the seemingly abandoned standard, we have something to wait for. The site says "Available in 2020", they only have less than two months to deliver. I, for one, keep my hopes up -
So for the Quadro P5200 (Dell Card) all I would have to do is change the vBIOS insert?
Would it fit into the slot that the 8970m uses without issue and would the same heat sink work for it?
Also regarding the 1070m, I managed to find an MSI card on eBay, but I'm not sure if it is compatible with my own:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Msi-gt83vr-...dr5-mxm-3-0-video-card-ms-1wov1-/264843849316
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I found this card on eBay, would this work with my Clevo P375SM, or would I need to do modifications and/or change the heatsink?
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Msi-gt83vr-...dr5-mxm-3-0-video-card-ms-1wov1-/264843849316 -
I believe so, but you will need to mod the heatsink still.
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And you will need to file the case to some extent, as this card is slightly larger.
As for the P5000/5200, most of them don't have a vbios chip, so you'd need to swap a few resistors and solder in a chip, so it's a hassle, and you'd need to get a revision C or D of the card. Unless you find one with the chip. P4000 generally comes with the chip, and it just needs an insert swap. -
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@bennyg has done a SLI 1070 setup in his Clevo P370em ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sli-msi-1070-mxm-in-p370em-an-adventure.806069/)
As both the P375sm & P370em have an almost identical internal case layout, you will need to do some minor case modifications to fit the MSI card inside.
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Hey guys,
So as it turns out my LCD Panel on the laptop is only a 60Hz LCD and not a 120 Hz.
As I understand it, only a 120 Hz panel will be able to support the GTX 10xx series cards....
So unfortunately, it looks as though this has been all a pipe dream from the start, and looks like I may end up having to get a new computer if I want to get better gaming performance.
I'd like to thank everyone who responded to this post. Regardless of the outcome, your insight has been most valuable and I did learn quite a bit .
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if your 60Hz panel is edp then you can keep on the project
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Can verify via hwinfo i think
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@OH CANADIA! ... The above being said you can pop open the keyboard and with a flash light try to check if you have both lvds and edp ports on the mobo. They are 2 white ports next to one another north of the keyboard, the long one should be edp and the short one is the lvds. If you have both you can always buy a 120 Hz display and go cable hunting, maybe you would have better luck finding that cable in NA.
If you don't have an edp port or don't want to invest money in the high refresh rate screen, you can always turn the machine to a true desktop replacement and use it with an external monitor.
EDIT: edp 50-pin cables part numbers 6-43-P37E1-020-J or 6-43-P1701-010-JD -
From what I've heard, Alienware M17x R3/4 cable and screen can be easily fitted, as long as the eDP port is present
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...and I've got an M17x R4 screen that's 50pin
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Would the P4000 work as an easy replacement for the 8970m?
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Yes, as long as you've got an edp screen and running the unlocked bios and gfx settings set to PEG.
First of all, to make sure everything is set right, run HWINFO64, it should tell you what kind of screen you've got - In the Monitor tab, you'll have Digital Video Interface Standard Supported. If it says "Display Port", then you're golden. Otherwise, like stated somewhere in the discussion, remove your keyboard and look for a long connector going to the screen. Generally eDP and LVDS of this generation have an identical plug, but the eDP has screws in it (NEVER connect eDP to LVDS and vice versa). I'd need a confirmation from someone here that has greater CLEVO experience, but that's how it looks in the Ranger.
If you have an eDP port, but not the eDP screen, worry not - there are fairly cheap screens for sale, generally about <100$, with 120Hz being pricier, but 120 is not exactly must have, 60 will do. It's the port standard that counts (it would be wise to find which models are supported in your machine).
If all that is done, then it's going to be fairly straightforward - switch to PEG, plug in the card, be ready for compatibility issues though. vBIOS may be from HP, for example, and that can hinder your progress, but someone must've done this upgrade up to this point. Search the forum. If it yields no results, we'll help. Maybe Dell vBIOS will work, maybe some variation of HP, I can't tell right now. In a few weeks I'll be going through a similar process with P375SM, I'll be swapping my Rangers components to it, and I'll be able to help you more (my card is already flashed with Dell vBIOS). In the meantime, if you want to get into modding, I suggest getting yourself an EEPROM flasher - I'm still using basic CH341A flasher, although I need to upgrade, with 1,8V adapter for Pascal cards (full set costs about 20EUR tops), you'll thank me later for that small gizmo, it saves you a lot of money that would otherwise go to your local electronics shop (in my case the set cost about as much as one vBIOS flashing done by them, and it takes 30 seconds, while I had to wait two days).Last edited: Nov 11, 2020 -
1.) HWINFO64 doesn't seem to be working when I use Win Key + R to run it.
2.) What exactly is an eDP and why is it necessary for my computer to have one?
3.) If the computer has an eDP will I still need an external monitor for gaming or will my laptop monitor work?
4.) What do you mean by "switch to PEG" ?
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@1 - just install it and run regularily. On Win10 it should work right off the box.
@2 - eDP is Embedded Display Port. It's a newer standard than LVDS (Low Voltage Differential Signaling, if wikipedia is to be believed) and it allows for higher bandwidth and subsequentially higher resolution/framerate than it's predecessor. It is necessary, because Pascal cards don't wire display through LVDS anymore.
@3 - No. Your internal display will do, as long as it's eDP.
@4 - There are a few ways in which your laptop does things. There is SG (Switchable Graphics or Optimus) where your laptop chooses the best card for the job, it juggles your Intel GFX and your dedicated card for the best performance it assumes (at the cost of about 15% of general performance) and there's PEG - PCI Express Graphics, in which it only uses your discrete graphics, at which point your battery life will be affected ( since you're using only the power hungry card) but there are no more conflicts along the way.
@5 - vBIOS is the BIOS of your video card (yest, they have their own that decides on hardware compatibility and their performance and how do they behave). There are a few ways to do that, either through Windows when the card is live, through DOS with Atiflash/NVFlash, or externally through the programmer I've mentioned. UEFI is your system BIOS, and as for that, I also recommend using it, since it generally boosts performance and speed of your machine, especially boot times when compared to Legacy option (I mean, Legacy BIOS is a backward compatible solution that works the same way since 1980s, so it IS slower)
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Thanks for the reply.
For the HWINFO64, I've downloaded it, but I'm not seeing any of the information you mentioned under the Monitor Tab. I've attached a file to this reply.
Is it eDP Supported?Attached Files:
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Clevo P375SM / Sager NP9390 GPU Upgrade
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