Clevo notebooks with 800M series coming out February 2014

It's also the microarchitecture that came before Fermi. Look at the code names for Nvidia cards. The 'GF' in GF100, GF104, etc. stands for 'Graphics Fermi', the 'GK' in GK104, GK107, etc. stands for 'Graphics Kepler'.

Likewise, the 'GT' in GT200, GT216, etc. stands for 'Graphics Tesla'.

 

Ah forgot that, and I even owned a GTX280 at one point (was a noisy card), fair enough.

 

Ooops, wrong thread.

 

Both 20nm and 28nm have had strong bases(reasons why a certain process will used instead of another) in recent time.

First 20nm shipment has started which is good news. It all comes down to what is better for Nvidia to take on at this time. While using the same architecture on a different process(20nm vs 28nm) will be more expensive, it is not reliant argument to guarantee 20nm chips. Especially, since we are to receive Maxwell in Feb/Match time frame, 28nm might make up for it.

In short: The whole new series undergo changes which carry a direct influence on whether 800 will be on 20nm or 28nm. Knowing Nvidia`s power to surprise, 20nm looks plausible. Does it contradict all info supplied to us- yes, bit it is not the first time such thing happens. Despite the heavy emphasis on 28nm, people will be surprised with 800 series imho.

 

More fuel to the FIRE:

From Fudzila`s article named

PS: The article talks about GM 117. 660 replacement might be on 20nm, but now it is a wishful thinking.

Sorry Mobile users, it is another year of 880M as a leader and mid range 28nm Maxwell mobile chips for true enthusiasts.

 

i expect GTX's to be rebadged and the GT 820 830 840 850 to be low end maxwell 28nm still even if its maxwell the GT 850M will be less power ful than a gtx 860M = gtx 765M (with some OC may be)

 

"28nm have been confirmed"
By who? From where?

You say you got sent a picture that show a brand new GPU. What did that picture show? How do you even know it was 28nm? Was it a picture from a electron microscope....?

If 28nm is happening on a brand new architecture (which would be the first time), I can see that plausible on only the low ends since those GM117 chips are small on 28nm anyway. It will be smaller than GK104 for sure. There will probably even be room for an ARM processor if they plan to do that on GM117.
But why the rush to push GM117 on 28nm? What is the point? Wouldnt it be better to wait 1 or 2 months and make it on 20nm, reduce power consumption to make it available for more notebooks, reduce silicon and costs both for Nvidia and OEMs?

But I still want to see a source from Fudzilla or a picture from you if I`m gonna believe it. Right now its nothing more than words back up by nothing the way I see it.


In their previous article they said that GM117 would be here Q1 2014 and said

http://fudzilla.com/home/item/33628-nvidia-maxwell-coming-in-q1-is-gm117

 

By parts:

28 has been confirmed- I did not say it. It is what the sources say so far.

1) I wrote it above. I no longer have this picture. Only it`s leaker was talking about it. Yes, it means nothing but if he/she has the card, it does not take a genius to determine 28nm or 20nm.

2) "GK 117 only on 28nm" and there rest u said have nothing to do with process. It is more marketing. Ex: These 2 months can bring a good profit till AMD launches their 300x series.

3) I am talking only about Desktop side of things. I don't know how is it for laptops but Nvidia are not the focused primarily on them. Usually, Desktop receive new process prior to Mobile. Meaning, it is pointless to talk Mobile meanwhile the picture is not 100% clear on desktop front.

4) No clue why you posted about gm117 from Fud`s previous article.

5) At this point there are no 100% proved theories in regards of either 20 and 28. What we know are rumors and no more. It is up to a person to believe in them or not. But in the end, it comes down to the quality of source the rumor originates from.

PS: Maxwell is near the corner and if by this point everything suggests(not even Fud, VC ect..) it to be based on 28nm, I find hard to believe the sources are incorrect, being this close to the release window.

20nm wont be bad for desktop, but it is not an emergency either.

Edit: Desktops have trickier launch of Gpus than Mobile. So, something as negligible as a source of info can be hard blocked/kept away from consumers.


Did u really want to see the source for Fud`s latest article that I posted: http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/33657-maxwell-is-a-28nm-chip


Looks like Fud has updated the article with GM 107 replacing GM 117.

 

I've seen nothing to suggest that 20nm isn't still a Q4 2014 or Q1 2015 product.

As far as 28nm Maxwell, I guess there's a chance we may see some GTX 800MX mobile cards, when the higher end chips are ready.

 

I agree with Kevin.

 

Forgive my ignorance here, but besides size, what is the difference between a 20nm vs 28nm Maxwell? Is it heat/power consumption or would it also affect features as well?

 

the lower the process is, the less heat you generate and the more transistors you can put in the chip

 

Wouldn't more heat be a by-product of more transistors? I thought that was one of the challenges of shrinking the die process

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Sorry Liberty, but you are completely out of your mind if you think GTX 880M will be the leader in the entire 2014. I give it until June-July max, until we have GM104 Maxwell

28nm have been confirmed from who? Fudzilla didn`t mention anyone in the article. I bet you that Fudzilla read 28nm somewhere on a forum and made an article about it. They may even have read your posts. It is by far confirmed the way I see it. He doesn`t even explain to WHY it is confirmed.

You no longer have the picture? OK, but you have a memory right? What was in that picture? Was it a die shot?
How are you gonna determine that a GPU is 28nm or 20nm?

"GK117M only on 28nm" says who? Fudzilla? Without anything to back it up? It would be more profitable for Nvidia to produce 20nm. There is a reason why say SSDs in 28nm cost less than 40nm....
Nvidia pay per wafer. They can cut out far more GPUs in 20nm than in 28nm.

GK107 on mobile launched exactly the same month as GK104 on desktop. But we didn`t get GK104 until June.

"The same chip is going after mobile designs as Maxwell is designed to be power efficient but it will play games just fine. With GM107 there might be more mobile design wins as well, as the chip has great thermals"
That screams 20nm in my eyes.

Finally something we can agree on. I already posted reasons why a soft launch with GM117 as 20nm Maxwell in late March would be plausible as well.
I am open for 28nm but I don`t understand the reason to put it on 28nm if they could just wait an extra month...

Again what is your source? Where did you find the picture? You are right, many sites claim it will be on 28nm first, then 20nm later. I am sceptical because I know the power of internet and how fast words travel around there.

Yes I want to see a source when the author says its confirmed. Its not confirmed until he either have posted why or Nvidia have said so.

You see how inconsistent they are?

 

Lets not write lengthy posts again.

I don't want to paraphrase what I talked about earlier to answer the same questions from u.

Such as I did tell I am no Mobile GPU expert, I don't know how the releases work here. What I do know is Desktop receive the new process first. If GTX 880 28nm Desktop will indeed be released in March then it will take awhile till 900 series show up. Nvidia does not release new series less than 8 months from the previous generation. Connection has been clearly made here.

Do u have any confirmation on 20nm process? I would like to see it.

Talking about a profit is not wise since u don't know the figures. Nor the architecture, Nvidia is #1 in GPU market, they definitely know what they are doing. What u think might not be possible appears to be quiet the opposite for them.

A proper evidence wont be made anytime soon. So it is very peculiar to ask for it now. That is why leaks are used. I talked about the sources already. After all it is illegal to spread this kind of info so revealing them is a stab in the back.

 

Why are you avoiding my question:

What did you see in the picture?

 

because it wont mean anything to u with your requirement of a hard prove.

Plus, it was not a mobile card and is ES sample.

I can tell if u really want tho.

 

I've lost braincells reading the last page or two of this thread! :-/ (SinofLiberty, you seem to use a lot of words, without really saying anything, I think it's better the other way round). From what I read & what I think will happen 20nm will come to Maxwell before the end of the year, and I would think to high end mobile chips too.

 

Well, u wont find anyone at this point who has 100% info. Don't forget, it is illegal.

And I did say what I have at my disposal now. Not sure if u understood it tho. The rest was me trying to prove what I said in my 1st sentence of this post.

Edit: Are u a popular Youtube guy by any chance? GhostRobbo/

 

Yes, it's all got very complicated! ;-)

EDIT: Nope, that's not me, I don't have a YouTube presence - I'm not that interesting!

 

Yes please tell us. I`m sure Im not the only one who would want to hear about the ES sample
NVIDIA Maxwell GM108 and GM107 Engineering Samples Spotted In the Wild

You dont have to tell about the source. Just what you saw

I already posted information about a socalled GM108 which was also a ES, with 576 CUDA cores running over 1GHz, DDR3 @ 900MHz and on a 64bit bus.

 

All fine.

 

Ok.

Imagine u have a picture of gtx 780(front side) on the table. What can u tell from it? 2 things size and cooling system.

Size looks like of 780 and cooling has been modified a bit. Has a bit different shape but is from metal. Shape reminds of a mixture of 680 and 780 cooler. Also, it seemed to have an additional port at the back.

It is ES. So the final product might not be the same.

 

My understanding is that when you shrink a process you get more transistors per unit area, but the wattage required to power X number of transistors decreases. So, you can end up with more transistors for the same wattage & consequently the same heat output.

 

Ugh, it was a desktop ES you saw. :/

Are you sure it wasn`t GTX790? It is said to release any day now so someone might got their hands on one. It will also be Kepler and 28nm and metal 100%.

 

Sorry to disappoint

One thing is for certain, it was not GTX 790. I have been in gpu world enough to differ these 2. This sample has its fan on the right side. Everything seemed to undergo a few changes in regards of cooling(compared to 780). Other small but important parameters support it being a single gpu. Although, considering how 690`s cooler has soon been inherited by Titan, 780, 780 Ti, I do expect the cooler from this ES to have similarities with 790`s. I will def report back when 790 is released. If I remember more details from the pic, I will also right about it. It has been a month from that date, but I promise to try hard D:

Gotta have some sleep now.

 

Any news is good news at this point Sin. Who knows, could perhaps be GTX 880?

Anyhow, here is the two opportunities where I see Nvidia launching Maxwell. Both in March :thumbsup:

GPU Technology Conference | GPU Technology Conference

Homepage CeBIT2014 - CeBIT

 

Why are you skeptical about one article and not the other if they're from the same source? Maybe fud is wrong when they say that gm107 will have great thermals. There's no source on that either.

 

Im sceptical about both since they are from Fudzilla and no source given. Not even a mention where they got the info from.
I just pointed out that the two seems contradicting.

Here is their socalled specs for PS4 for example which couldnt be further from the truth.
Their "sources" told them this...
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/26662-orbis-specs-get-detailed

Yeah your contacts which probably was some chinese forum

 

Found this - ASUS Updates Its G750 ROG Gaming Notebook | NextPowerUp - seems very interesting. This tells us that at least one variant of the 880M has 4GB GDDR5.

 

We know the 880m is the 780m with a higher core clock and 8gb of vram.

 

Then what exactly was the GPU listed in the link I posted earlier? How come it is labelled the GTX 880M, yet has only 4GB of VRAM. I accept that the GTX 880M is probably a rebranded 780M with higher clocks, but can anyone explain the contents of the link? Makes me wonder though. Maybe the 880M may not be a rebrand. Interesting.

 

Probably just like the 680M with 2GB and 4GB variants, the 880M will also come with either 4GB or 8GB of vRAM.

 

Makes sense. Even though I want to believe that the 880M is 20nm, it probably isn't.

 

Just got to wait and see. Leaks should be coming more frequently now, as we approach the release date. The gpu that was shown on the pic definitely had more ventilation room in cooler, might be interesting.

Regarding Mobile. there is maybe a chance that 880MX will be released shortly after 880m. It will be 28nm but on Maxwell instead of Kepler. Because If 880 Desktop does end up 28nm, there is no chance for 20nm mobile card in a near future.


Cant wait for more leaks! Every bit matters now. I think this is the first time for the last few years, when we got this little

info, this close to the release date of GPUs

 

Maybe the vram will be 20nm.

 

I can understand that a GPU launching in February will be based on 28nm. Not sure whats the rush though.

Sweclockers translated

 

I suggest taking sweclockers with a big spoon of salt.

When it comes to Desktop GPU releases(especially naming and performance) they are one of the least truthworthy sources out there. As even the 20% of the info per GPU article they provide, barely represents the final picture.

 

Jesus. This is getting really confusing and irritating. I have no evidence to prove mobile Maxwell will be 20nm and no (reliable) evidence to disprove mobile Maxwell will be 20nm. I'm leaning (against my will) to 28nm.

 

Yup, its a mess
I`m sticking to Maxwell atleast after late March being 20nm.

They are a heck more reliable than Fudzilla. Thats for sure. But I guess they too post rumors that is wrong just like any site. But I say they hit the target more than many other sites

 

More reliable than Fudzilla? both of them said the same. Not sure what u meant. Plus they copied the release schedule from Fud article.

Hit the target? That is way too generous statement to make. 750 Ti- Ti- first Maxwell on 700 series with a Ti prefix, please...

Someone who has been following desktop releases, knows that it is a pure bs.

Surely, everything can happen. Even if it somehow ends up being this way, (which is 0.1%) until more proofs are shown; it is not a precursor at all to what will the situation be like with 800 series

 

Fudzilla: Maxwell coming out in Q1. Its GM117. No we changed our minds, its GM107.
Sweclockers: Maxwell is coming in February. 18th February to be exact. Its name is GTX 750 TI. We don`t know if its 28nm, but we expect so.

Who gives out the most information here? Sweclockers didnt copy anything as far as I see.

Why are we even discussing this? I have followed Sweclockers for many years. I know they are pretty reliable. Fudzilla is on the same level as Semiaccurate. ie not trustable with most articles. This is well known. But I guess Sweclockers too post false information now and then.

We will see what happens. I still hope late March with 20nm. But open for 28nm if Maxwell launches in February. It will be a small chip anyway. They don`t need 20nm, but it would be better.

 

I noticed everything. But what u did not notice is different thing:

Fudzilla: Was the first source to reveal that Maxwell is coming in February(the earliest) Q1. Fudzilla did say GM107 replaces entry level cards which 650 is a part of. Bragging about a typo which was corrected within hours is childish, really.

Sweclockers: Saw what Fud did. Okey they say, 650 Ti`s successor will be called 750 Ti, according to desktop naming scheme(680-780; 650-750) and published it.

Here is the next part. I don't want to repeat myself over and over for u.

I have been following Fud for quiet sometime now and they have been mostly right when it comes to desktop. It might be different for Mobile but Fidzilla`s main focus is desktop. Which is what is most important, really.

Even if this info is correct which is again 0.1% till more hard proofs are shown, it is gonna make Fudzilla even more reputable than they are now.

This info has no direct connection with 800 series which is what I know is the main reason why we are here

PS: 28nm Maxwell chip will be bigger than gk 104

 

Looks like Notebookcheck.net is saying that it is likely that the 880M will be 780M with just higher default clocks - and more VRAM (why?!). Still Kepler and still 28nm from the rumours it seems. Some will hate me for saying this but in a way I am relieved if this turns out to be true. I do feel sorry for those who wanted something better right now but at least this gives me some more time to save up enough money for the next generation of GPUs. I am OCD with having latest and greatest, it's true.

 

Looks like Haswell refresh is hitting at the same time as probable mobile Kepler/Maxwell 28nm refresh (800M). It would be nice if Clevo updates both GPU as well as CPU.
Intel 'Haswell' Refresh reportedly coming in Q2

In case if they do introduce 20nm Maxwell by Q3-Q4 '14, we could expect Broadwell integration as well!! SIKED
Intel May Introduce First “Broadwell” Chips in Q3 – Report

 

Maxwell in 28nm for a while.

Broadwell not until Q3.

Broadwell does not support DDR4.

It is seriously messed up if it ends up like this.

 

Why do u hate 28nm? I think it suits well for this year`s refresh

 

Why do you hate the idea of having more than 1536 cores?

Its pretty easy math:

28nm + Maxwell = Meh

20nm + Maxwell = wow

 

But the single core efficiency continues to decline tho.

Btw, Maxwell ark would include more cudas but with above stated. It is taken from the source u provided awhile ago with a guy testing a mobile Maxwell gpu.

 

Sin stop your slandering of Sweclockers. They are a reputed tech site not prone to gossip or copy/paste. Though they have sources like many others and sources can be wrong.

Do you even know what forum you are in?