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    Crysis on "high", SXPS 16 (Ati 3670) latest BIOS

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by KSMB, Sep 13, 2009.

  1. KSMB

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    a little demonstration how good latest A10 BIOS to DELL studio xps 16 (Ati 3670) are............after installed A10 games like Crysis and Bioshock & FEAR3 runs smoother.

    1280x800 + high settings + (good FPS), no lag:

    <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Zu2GRBjzE2M&hl=sv&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Zu2GRBjzE2M&hl=sv&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width='480' height='385'></embed></object>

    same resolution and settings, just holding the (God damn) camera more still here :) really smooth without lag.
    <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/4_cFXC7ceuA&hl=sv&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/4_cFXC7ceuA&hl=sv&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width='480' height='385'></embed></object>

    FEAR 3 runs without lag in 1920x1080 + medium settings
    (havnt record that yet)

    latest 3dmark06 (Default 1280x1024)_________about 200 points higher then A08 in 3dmark06 :)
    in 1024x768 i scored 5102, (also about 200 points higher then last time)

    [​IMG]
     
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  2. chrusti

    chrusti Notebook Evangelist

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    200 Points higher in 3dMark 06 ? thats less than 4% Speed increase. I doubt you would feel the difference.

    Cheers


    *edit*

    Also, that A10 Bios doesnt seem to be available on Dells homepage.
     
  3. v_c

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    Most people wouldn't play Crysis all high on a 3670. The framerate would be too low, even at 1280x800.

    If you can tolerate 10FPS and it feels smooth to you, thats cool, I hope you enjoy the game. But videos like these just give other people unrealistic expectations. Medium settings is what people with a 3670 should be aiming for realistically.
     
  4. Vinyard

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    I don't either think you will notice the difference, maybe a little but not to much.
    I don't mind a speed increase at all but if it's only 4% then it's not worth it.
     
  5. Nyceis

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    Did you ever find a way to share that A10 BIOS with us? I'd really like to try it, but for whatever reason, its not on Dell's site.

    N
     
  6. Kallogan

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    LOL i never read such bullsh*ts. Updating bios won't make games run noticeably smoother, you still have a 3670 man, don't dream ;-)
     
  7. chrusti

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    Also, wont the game look horrible in anything else than the native resolution?

    Cheers
     
  8. nacr05

    nacr05 Extreme Overclocker

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    Why dog his post, he took time to do this and he deserves a thank you for it at that. Its his laptop and if he notices a diffrence then thats that. Anyways thanks for sharing the info and taking the time to post it!!
     
  9. KSMB

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    couple of things............

    ¤ Hardcore-games like Crysis, Bioshock runs really smooth with high settings, and yes, it didnt run that smooth with older BIOS.

    ¤ about Native......the game looks actually fantastic in 1280x800 on my 1920x1080 RGBscreen, mostly because i have details on high. (non-native doesn't affect the quality that much in this case)

    ¤ 200 points in 3dmark06 doesn't mean everything, (i just mentioned it), how the game actually performs is a totally different story. (and yes, it runs better now, without any doubts. the FPS in Crysis have also get higher, about 5-7 FPS).

    ¤ sooner i will lay up a sample from FEAR.3 in 1080p....really smooth with good FPS. (you will actually be surprised, wait and see)
     
  10. chrusti

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    Oh really?? : O
    Last time I checked anything will look pretty much blurry unless displayed with the native resolution. The Display has some kind of grid which has to be interpolated. So if you played at 50% your resolution it would make sense since the interpolation could just add another pixel.


    Interpolation does happen with every TFT. And it will decrease quality.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Take a closer look at the dot on B iete

    One Pixel got changed to 4 Gray pixels.



    But perhaps you got one of these new Plasma Something screens ?
     
  11. Lethal Lottery

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    Yeah I know you went through a lot of effort to post the vids and all. But no FPS shown = never happened :). Plus your just randomly fighting a couple soldiers, you will be disappointed when you get to the serious levels in the game.
     
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    nacr05 Extreme Overclocker

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    I agree fraps should be used and you should give us a good battle scene, still you took the time to post this.. Show fraps with some battle..
     
  13. Amnesiac

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    When you get to the *SPOILERS*







    aircraft carrier






    *END SPOILERS*

    Then come back to us. Also, if you could record it using FRAPS, then that would be really good. I'd like to see an FPS counter in there, to prove that it's running nice, because to me, that didn't look above 30FPS. Anyway, I'm surprised you managed nearly all high settings though. But I noticed you had Shaders at Medium. Shaders is one that'll really kill your framerate.
     
  14. naticus

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    LOL, i don't know why you guys are questioning his video. We all KNOW what an 3670 would do in crysis...
     
  15. Amnesiac

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    Well what? Explode? My 3650 plays fine with some very high settings, some medium, and most low.
     
  16. naticus

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    If I was a 3670 in Crysis i would find the nearest tiki bar and hit on all the hot alien chicks... as long as they are all really low textured.
     
  17. afhstingray

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    whats the difference in graphics quality between high and very high?

    dont mean to hijack the thread, but i thought i might ask since the M4400 (specs in sig) according to other owners can play it with all the settings at high, but with shaders at medium.

    is it a really drastic difference in quality? i havent got crysis yet and if i cant enjoy it i rather not get it till i have a better graphics card in the future
     
  18. Bowlerguy92

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    How about we all question why no one but him appears to have access to A10 and he isn't giving us any information......
     
  19. narsnail

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    If shaders is at medium than you are playing at medium; the games most deciding option for graphics is shaders, it doesnt matter if everything else is high, because the shaders option is what makes the game look so good.

    Obviously some higher res textures make a difference but the performance hit jumping from medium to high shaders is phenomenal.
     
  20. afhstingray

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    what about the quality of the graphics, is it really a big difference?

    the quadro FX 770m should be roughly the same as the 9600M GT which in turn is about the same as a ati 3670 right?
     
  21. Rorschach

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    Well I'm pretty skeptical about the all high settings being playable. We've seen reviews already from this forum that show its not really possible. This is usually what the result would be for a xps with a 3670. Notice that this movie is more in the open, you don't even need a fps meter to see its not really playable. Course he also used a video recording program, so that might have something to do with it. A fps meter would add a lot more validation to your post.
    <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/5sulo5Fkxkk&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/5sulo5Fkxkk&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width='425' height='344'></embed></object>
     
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    that looks reasonably smooth? what settings is that on
     
  23. chrusti

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    Are you kidding me? I already am getting a headache from watching the video. Let alone playing the game on full screen.

    I would always prefer faster FPS over better graphics.
    Fast action games like Far Cry must have 30+ FPS or you will feel dizzy within minutes.
     
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    yea its not great, but it seems playable.

    guess i'll have to get the game and experiment with the settings.
     
  25. Amnesiac

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    I'm sorry, but that is actually really bad. It looks about 15 FPS. You try playing like that for an hour or so. It's not very pleasant.
     
  26. afhstingray

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    i noticed the words "pre release demo" on the top right corner. would it run better with all the latest updates/patches?
     
  27. Amnesiac

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    Yes, it would. When I updated my copy of Crysis to 1.2 I had probably an average of 5 FPS higher. The patches do help, as they fix memory leaks, and help optimization.
     
  28. roosta

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    i thought crysis was a terrible game anyway. it was just dull. if it wasnt for the hype and pretty pictures released before the game it would have just slotted in next to all the other bargin bin games.
     
  29. afhstingray

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    really? the bits and pieces i heard sounded like it was fun. almost like splinter cell or something
     
  30. KSMB

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    this new led screen DOES NOT decrease the quality like example my former CCFL wuxga-screen. (its just slightly different).
    RGB screens works in "cluster-technique".......for example a 1080p 16" RGB -screen have the lowest Pitch-value you can get.
    Each pixel consist a cluster of diodes on a single chip....and when you lower Resolution it does not ends up with blurred image.

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    anyway.....i can insure you that the image in Crysis looks absolutely sharp when i have details on High....really good.


    edit....and for all you (distrusting) guys.....
    update to A10, formate your HD and finally use DELLs latest catalyst driver...and you will get this smooth running Crysis in High settings with good FPS

    <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/4_cFXC7ceuA&hl=sv&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/4_cFXC7ceuA&hl=sv&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width='480' height='385'></embed></object>
     
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  31. King of Interns

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    With only 5100 3dmark06 points crysis wouldn't run smoothly with everything on max in 1280x800. You would need around 6000+ power. I managed 5800 points by overclocking my laptop and could play very smoothly with everything on max in 1024x768 + dx10 mode. So yeah your shaders and shadow settings must be turned down slightly.
     
  32. chrusti

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    We can not update to your secret A10 Bios because its NOT on Dells official homepage.
     
  33. Melody

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    People are so hung up on Crysis. Why not just get those mods that disable non-noticeable graphics things(which hog up resources)? I've heard the gameplay is a lot mroe smooth with mods.
     
  34. KSMB

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    guys, for the love of God...............learn to separate Benchmark scores and reality(real game-performance).

    for example, one of my older laptops with go7900gs got quite low 3dmark06 scores, but in the reality its one of the best laptop cards i used. it run games smooth like butter, (talking mostly about DX9 games, but even some DX10).


    as you see on the video i have everything om high except water quality (who is on medium).....and yes, SXPS 3670 with latest BIOS and driver run Crysis in 1280x800 + "high" without any issues at all.
    (i could record thousands of videos and they would show the same)


    tonight i probably lay up FEAR.3 video in 1080p :) :) looks really really tight in 1080p...he he (and as you going to see it runs perfect)
     
  35. chrusti

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    [​IMG]


    But on a more serious note, there is no 10A Bios.
     
  36. Rorschach

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    Ksmb at this point you don't seem to be reading the key post and focus on the ones that flat out say you are not being honest. People mostly focus on numbers in this scenario frames per second. You have not shown this and no matter how many times you repost your original video's, if you don't post something with the actually frames per second, people will just continue arguing with you about it. Failing to provide that information at this point only looks like hesitation on your part and will bring further criticism.
     
  37. sean473

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    LOL ur 9600M GT isn't so great... and even i know that...
     
  38. KING19

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    Its really dont show much because that only the first level of the game it would be nice to use those same settings on the snow level later in the game on that level i get only 15FPS sometimes a bit more still playable

    My HD4570 can run it Crysis on meduim settings on a 1024x 768 resoultion i have textures on very high most other settings on high or very high except for shaders which is on meduim and the game still looks very good and i get very good FPS like 25-30

    Even though its gets like 4041 on 3Dmarks06 i still prefer real world gaming performance rather than depending on a benchmark test
     
  39. chrusti

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    Guys, listen up..

    25-30 FPS is not very good.

    I dont know about you people but 30FPS is alright for me. I mean playable.

    50+ FPS is what I consider very good.

    Cheers
     
  40. afhstingray

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    ok i think maybe because i've been stuck with mid range laptop cards for a long time, 20-25 is playable for me, 30+ is a luxury lol.
     
  41. Nyceis

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    I think you've got it right - what is playable vs not playable is going to vary widely from person to person. It depends on what you're used to. I've only ever played games on laptops, so I'm used to 20-25 fps myself, so that doesn't bother me. People who are used to 50fps or whatever need that for their eyes to not be distracted by slowness. We'd all never agree on whats playable vs what not. So if KSMB is happy with his 3670 in Crysis, then why beat up on him? I say, good for him!

    N
     
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    I love you too Sean :D
    Didn't say it was. Anyway, i apologize for being so harsh. After all, as said, let's be happy for him if he sees an improvement. Besides, I am now going to update my bios to see if he turns my 9600M GT into a GTX 280M :D

    Crap, i've already the latest bios version...
     
  43. chrusti

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    Anyways, where did he get that secret A10 Bios from. Which is officialy not even released.
    As far as I know A08 is the newest bios.
    So a jump to A10 wouldnt make much sense.

    Cheers
     
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    ditto. i travel so much i cant have a desktop or some monster 17 or 18" laptop, so the cards i've had were all laptop cards

    radeon 9000>>radeon 9600pro turbo>>quadro FX 770M (geforce 9600GT)
     
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    I agree also

    25-30 FPS and maybe 20 FPS is smooth to me and remember this is Crysis the second most demanding game next to GTAIV which i also get good FPS on meduim settings also considerating that my laptop only costed $750 its very good and also the human eye can only see 30FPS so our eyes wont notice above that not even 100 FPS
     
  46. Amnesiac

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    Has the OP even given anybody this BIOS or shown any proof of it?
     
  47. hiddensanctum

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    What the hell is FEAR3? I thought FEAR only goes up to 2...
     
  48. naticus

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    lol only 8series and up gpu have support for DX10 features. So you are NOT playing them in dx10.

    BTW their is no F.e.a.r. 3.
    BTW and ATI 3670 CANNOT play Crysis on High with over 15fps. Period.
     
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    Well, he showed us proof of A10 (a BIOS screenshot, that BIOS's preinstalled on his machine). But yet, still waiting for his upload 8->
     
  50. Felix7227

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    Dont feel bad before I got this laptop ive always used integrated graphic cards, I played Wow with like 14-16 fps and thought it was going regular speed, then I got this and it ran at 60 and I was like wha? its so smooth/ Now 14-16 is unbearable
     
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