Current 8600GT Benchmarks and Oblivion?

EDIT: This doesn't really have anything to do with Oblivion.


Hey all,

I just saw the thread with the "Opinions of 8600GT" poll. It got me thinking, would the reason that it's getting bad benchmarks also affect other applications, say, Oblivion?

I am going to assume that the 86GT will be able to play at "Ultra-High" settings (automatically given when you first start the game). If I'm wrong, please correct me.

Although, according to the benchmarks, this card only performs about as well as a 7900GS (again, correct me). This can't play everything maxed out. Most, but not all.

So, does anyone here expect that the 8600GT will be THE best GPU out on the market? Even better than 7950x2? (Maybe not that, but, hell, who wants that much heat?)



PS

It's the wee hours of the night for me, and I'm tired, and I don't think this post made much sense. Eh, try to understand what I'm saying, and I'll clean it up tomorrow.

 

no way the 8600gt will play smoothly on ultra high (could probably on high, depending on what resolution)

the 7900gs is still a little more powerful in terms of raw power, especially against dell's ddr 2 8600gt

no

the 8600gt isn't as strong as a single 7900gtx or 7950 gtx

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From what I've read the 8,### family is comparable to 7,### series, except 8,### is direct X 10. Now that means 86 is comparable real world to 7600 not 7900, then think about the GT's GS's and so on. So at least for now the second # tells you how it stacks up then look at the GT,GS and so on. DX 10 in a couple of years maybe, right now I don't think so.

 

Hmmm... I could only make sense that the 8 series = 7 series. I hope I'm not just making things up in my sleep.

Well, that being known to me now, I'm going to hijack the thread:

1) Is it known if any 87/800Ms are coming out soon? And how expensive they will be?

2) Modular PCI-e. Will that be able to fit an 87/800M into a 15.4 IFL90?

 

well, the gddr 3 version of the 8600gt scores the same as the 7900gs in 3dmark 06 at low res like 1024x768


and i think the margine the 8600 beats the 7600 would make it enough to be comparable to 7900

7600 only score 1800-2500 in 3dmark06, whereas the 8600gt scores from 2300- 5411 in same benchmark (wide range due to the damn gddr 3 vs 2)

 

the 8700 is comming out soon in a 17 incher i believe

i saw a link on this forum

its just a higher clocked 8600 though, the gpu to wait for is the 8800

very few gpus are interchangeable. i think dell has their own customized version of the mxm technology.

not to mention the power/heat limitations of a 15.4 incher

MAYBE the asus c90 will be compatible with the higher cards, but considering that using desktop cpus and the 8600gt already reduces battery life to a measly 1-1.5h (if not too intensive stuff going on), a 22W 8800M may not be the best thing for it in terms of heat and battery life

 

The MXM for this monster needs a dual-heatpipe and a form factor that might not fit in C90 and IFL...
But if ATI.AMD knows what it's doing, it can do a lot in this area, because 65nm has lower power consumption and heat generation (and can reach higher speeds and can have better OC'ing potential) when compared to nVidia's 80/90nm.

 

First, we need to set some groundrules here. We will regard the Nvidia series as generally having an x400, x600, x800/900 series of cards in each iteration (where x is the 6, 7, 8 series of GeForce cards), and the higher the number a card has within a particular series of cards, the better the card.

The general rule expressed often enough on these boards seems to me to be more that a card from the next generation is about as good as a card from the previous generation with the next HIGHER number e.g. an 8400 is around as good as a 7600, a 7600 is about as good as a 6800 etc. This is a little complicated by the GS and GT labels and when you consider playing games in a DX9 state or a DX10 state, but not by that much.

The synthetic benchmarks suggest that the 8600GT is around as good as a 7900GS (note the only card I know of still available in the 7xxx series between 7600 and 7900GS in performance is the 7700, and this seems to be closer to a 7600 than a 7900GS in performance terms). Beyond that though, my own experience with an 8600GT (the one in the Asus G1S) compared with actual game benchmarks from reviews like the ones here and on notebookcheck.net suggests this is true also.

All that qualification out of the way now, I feel that the 8600GT is in fact about as good as a 7900GS for DX9 gaming. I have no DX10 games/features, but of course the 8600GT is better there, since the 7900GS doesn't support DX10. The 8600GT is definitely lesser in DX9 gaming to a 7950, and the fact you can get 7950GTs or GTXs means the 8600GT was definitely never THE best card out there, even on release day. It IS the best mobile card for DX10 gaming at present, until a 8700 is released, and then that one will be the best DX10 card until the still-hypothetical 8800M card is released.

However, DX10 hasn't been impressive yet. It is yet to be seen whether any games will come out that play well on the 8600GT (or the 8700) in DX10 mode and look better than they do in DX9 mode on the 7950 cards. If the video previews of Crysis showing DX9 vs DX10 mode scenes are to be believed, AND the 8600GT can play Crysis well enough, we may in fact see the benefits of having an 8600GT over having a 7950.

There's one vid in particular you can easily tell the difference between modes - in both modes the robot/alien whatever walks out of the fire, in the rain. In DX10 mode only, the fire and rain get whipped about by the wind whilst this is happening, and the rain looks thicker and more realistic. I really look forward to this game essentially dictating to me whether the 8600GT have is going to do anything better and prettier than a 7950 can.

 

that is only if the 8600 has enough power to render that at a playable frame rate

 

Exactly! Of course, the 8600GT will let me enable those pretty effects the 7950s can't. If it manages to do so at resolutions and framerates that still make the game at least competitively pretty/well-running against the 7950's performance, I will rest easy that it really was the best choice I could have made, since it would prove that DX10 features are doable, and that they compensate at least somewhat for the lesser power of the 8600GT.