Desktop gpu vs Laptop gpu

Hi everybody,

Thanks to you all, I have learned a few things about laptop gpu's, and I can finally distuingish a gtx 280m from a 9300m GS however I have no idea how to compare those gpu's to desktop gpu's..

So I was wondering if you guys could help me out a little..

At my parents place we have a desktop which has a Nvidia 6200 LE (with 256 MB)

and I am planning to buy a laptop (probably the msi gt740) which has a GTS 250M

Now this might sound silly, but I heard desktop gpu's are in general better then laptop gpu's, however to what extend? Is the 250M better then the 6200 LE?

If not, how much worse.. If so, how much better?

I know the CPU plays an important role as well, but I was just wondering about the GPU.. Will I be able to play the same games on the laptop as on the desktop for example?

I hope you guys know more about this then I do..

Regards,

Shanmau

 

The 250M will absolutely steam roll the 6200 LE. The 6200 is about 4 generations behind, a very low end card, and really wasn't meant for gaming.

 

260m is about 10 times faster. 6200 is simply too old.

 

The 6200 is very low-end, and performs much worse than the GTS 250M. Not to mention it's a quite a few generations older, and is therefore missing key features. I'd like to say they're not comparable, but for comparison purposes; I'd say the 250M is several to a dozen times better.

 

Entry level GPUs in desktops are roughly equal to lower-end of the mainstream laptop GPUs of the same generation. I'd say roughly that the desktop card is 50-70% faster than the laptop version.

The Geforce 250M is probably 10-40x faster(average 20x?) depending on the games that are being run. It'll be closer to 40x than 10x in newer games. Newer integrated cards will probably kill the 6200LE, even the Intel's.

 

Thank you all for helping me out! It is good to hear that the 250M is better then the 6200LE, so then I won't have any problems having a slow running laptop while playing the same games or programs! (gpu wise)

Thanks again for helping!

 

I would recommend that u don't buy the MSI GT740... It has a GTS250M GDDR3... 128 bit bus and not so great... I would recommend a Sager NP8690 at least with core i7 and NVDIA GTX280M... it is more expensive but the warranty and specs are great... this setup will steam roll most games till 2011... and u can easily play most games now on high... A cheaper alternative would be the ASUS G51J with core i7, GTX260M and full hd screen... from $1499 and less on some online stores... but its more flashy and likely to overheat compared to the sager... so down to u... the MSI is not as good as GT725 or GT729... the GDDR3 GTS250M screws it up...

 

don't know how to compare gpu's? see this http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html they are laptop gpus sorted in descending order in terms of performance. a desktop gpu will be like ~~30% or more faster than the same model laptop gpu

 

Not quite accurate.

Notebookcheck's ranking system is flawed. Their average scores are determined by user submitted scores that can have a very wide range due to differences in CPU. I.e. a P8400 FX3700m machine would also carry the same weight in the average score as a QX9300 FX3700m machine.

For example, look at ranking number 20/21 and 27/28. In both cases, the lower scoring card is ranked higher. Or cards 14 and 18.

 

Well if the 6200 was enough to run all the games he wants, and the new GPU is 10x more powerful than that, why does he need to sacrifice weight/batterylife/size etc... to take the next step up? While I would look into those if he has no real portability needs, I think other factors should play into his decision much more than pure graphics power.

 

well GT 725 isn't more heavier than GT740... and sager is only a little heavier... if u want more power... MSI GT725 might be a generation older but it is a way better gaming machine... MSI Screwed the GT740 with the GTS250M GDDR3... not GDDR5...

 

+1, what he said.

 

OP is in Europe, easier said than done.

MSI is a lot more common compared to Clevo there.

 

I guess Sean473 is right about the GTS250M only having a 128 bit bus, which I have heard before is... crappy. However I thought the MSI gt740 being a nice laptop because it has the new i7 cpu and it has a 17 inch screen.. The sager and asus have a 15 inch and the msi gt725 has a Core 2 Duo (P8600)..

You guys think it might be best to wait a little longer for a 17 inch laptop with i7 and a slightly better gpu then the gts250M to be made? I don't need the GTX280M it is to powerful for what I need (well maybe not to powerful, but rather to expensive )

Thanks so far for all the help

 

You can never have a to powerful GPU!!

 

this is not necessarily true. depending on the amount of memory and the speed the card has, a 128 bit bus will only pose problems at very high resolutions and or with very high AA.

at resolutions like 1440 x 900, a 128 bit card is more than capable of playing current games on high or maxed out with no AA. generally speaking, 256+ bit cards are considered the high end, and 128 bit cards are medium end.

the 5770 in my desktop runs crysis warhead at 40+ fps outdoors and 70+ fps indoors with 4x AA at 1680 x 1050 (maximum resolution of my current monitor) with everything on the enthusiast setting. though, the card has GDDR5 memory and 1GB of vram

 

OP might want to consider this.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=447263

 

Exactly, I have the G210m and I really don't have any problems with it for what I do, and it's only a 64bit bus! I can run MW2 at all high settings with buttery smooth gameplay, along with "The Saboteur" which is pretty graphics intensive. Just depends on how you use the notebook. The only thing you have to remember is that 9 times out of 10, you can't replace the graphics card on a laptop, so what you get... you better like. With the notable exception of the Clevo/Sager/ASUS and a minority of acer models actually being MXM removable/replaceable.

 

Suggestions:
17.3" Asus G73JH i7/HD5870
DIY ViDock with i7+PM55 chipset + desktop HD5850

I expect the DIY ViDock setup to be *faster* than the G73JH, even though it runs at x1 2.0.

 

I guess in this topic I can copy & paste the following: "Thanks guys (again!) for all the help" Since you keep giving great advice!

Levenly, I have heard indeed that how higher the resolution is, the more the GPU has to work. Since I am planning to buy a 17 inch laptop, and perhaps in the future buy an additional screen (perhaps around 22 / 23 inch) I am going to play games on higher resolutions and it might be a better choice to have a little more then 128 bit on my gpu. As XGX2007 says that 9 out of the 10 times it is not possible to change the graphical card, I guess I should buy a card which will be powerful enough for coming years.

And Nando4, thank you very much for your asus suggestion! I think te G73JH is exactly what I am looking for, however, isn't the price weird??

It has:

CPU: i7-720QM, 1.60~2.80GHz, 2.5 GT/s, 45nm, 6MB, 45W
GPU: ATI HD5870 1GB GDDR5, DX11, 256-bit
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1066 (2G X 4)
Primary Hard Drive: 500GB 7200rpm SATA II
Secondary Hard Drive: 500GB 7200rpm SATA II
Optical Drive: Blu-Ray Read/DVDRW Optical Drive

And everytime I found a laptop so far which had 8Gb or such a GPU was over $2200.. It even has a blue-ray player.. :S

Can anybody explain why this laptop is so cheap, compared to what it has equiped?

(edit) Oh and I just looked on the site:

http://1toppc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=G73JH-A1

where you can buy the asus G73JH laptop, and it provides the option to customize the laptop a little. It states "Thermal Compound" which lets me choose out of different compounds. However do I need another compound? The most expensive one is IC Diamond 24 Carat Thermal Compound on both CPU/GPU : $35, but if that means for only $35 my laptop has little chance of overheating, it is super, but if it is of little use, why bother?

And the dead pixel guarantee, is it necessary as well? Do you guys often have problems with dead pixels?

Well thanks to all of you! I hope my search for a laptop will end with the Asus G73JH!

P.s. Nando4 thanks for the DIY suggestion as well, however I am not very good with computers, so I guess that is not an option for me

 

To save you all from reading all that, I'll state the question a little shorter:

* How can the new Asus G73JH-A1 be so cheap compared to what it has?

* When customizing the Asus G73JH-A1, it is possible to change the compound. Does this has any effect? Is it worth the $35?

* Dead pixel guarantee and 3 years instead of 2 year global warranty, any advice on this?

Thank you all

 

Why not? Ever heard of loss-leader pricing? My guess is Asus is still making a profit on these units though. Asus tends to rate very high for performance/price. They have been offering cheap gaming units for a while now. On the other hand, the gaming line does tend to run warmer compared to the Clevo units, but still perform adequately.

A very important fact that you are missing is the G73 has 4 RAM slots, this allows it to use 2GB x 4 sticks, compared to the 4GB x 2 sticks in most laptops. 2GB x 4 is about $140 or so in stores, while the cheapest 4GB x 2 is at least $390. Note: This is the current cheapest price at Newegg.

Depends on the compound. It would probably be cheaper to buy it and apply it yourself, however, it could also void your warranty.

As I recall, the Asus units all come with a 30 day zero bright dot guarantee. As for the dead pixel guarantee, it really depends on your personal preference.

If you're going to be in North America only, purchase the 3rd year North American extension, not much point in shelling out extra if you're not going anywhere.

 

lol the price is allright... Base ASUS model costs $1499 for G51J with 4GB RAM so this basically costs 800 more with a newer card , more RAM and Blue ray...

 

Where you seeing 800 more?? its only 1645.00 from www.gentechPC.com this would only be a 150 increase from the G51J, which has rampant BSOD issues. The G73JH-A1 is DEFINATELY the way to go. I have mine on pre-order already.

 

Probably from this post.

 

l3g4cy99, I see you pre-ordered the G73JH-A1. However you added the ICD24 thermal compound and the thermaltake CLN0008 Cooler. You recommend it for me to add as well? I mean, I am not technical enough to apply compound myself, I was just wondering is that compound necessary?

Can I ask you where did you pre-order it? I hope they also send the laptop to the netherlands (Europe)..

Oh and the GPU an ATI 5870HD 1GB DDR5, to which other GPU can I compare this? notebookcheck lists it as if it is better then the GTX285M, do you reckon this is true?

( http://www.notebookcheck.nl/Vergelijking-van-Video-Kaarten.112.0.html)

Thanks

 

oops fail maths... had a very stressful day studying tons of stats and mechanics yesterday... sorry...

 

It's either Xoticpc or Gentech. And yes, both of them ship internationally.
Word of advice, Asus support in Europe can be iffy.

Nobody knows. Anyone who knows is either under a NDA or being inventive.