DirectX 12

Any news on DirectX 12? When do you think we can expect to see it?

 

probably when amd's 8000 series or nvidia's 7xx series comes out.

 

Maxwell FTW! May defect to the green side for Maxwell which = 16x performance/watt of fermi!

 

maxwell was 2013 right?

 

I wonder if we really need these newer things... I mean, look Witcher 2 with its "old dated" dx9...

 

Even if we "don't need it", companies will make us believe we do and most will buy into it

Just look at people who replace their iPhone 4 with a 4S because their 4 is "out-dated".

 

This is why I hate to catch up with tech , even with iphone4s the device itself with tiny gpu can perform so well , those companies are finding their way to make money so does the game makers but some game maker are just ridiculous...eg; bf3.

 

Well is there any need for DX12? There is hardly any games using DX11 fully as was the same with DX10. Since 99% of the games today is console ports those games runs in DX9.

Sure there is some that fully utilizes DX11 such as Saints Row the Third, but just look at Skyrim doesn´t even support Quad Core. DX9 is sufficient enough as it seems and all these DX version after 9 is just gimmicks in my opinion.

And by the way I own an Iphone 4s, no replacement here though just an Android replacement with my LG Optimus 2x which I gave to my wife. I game a lot on the smartphone and the 4s move was a smart one for me. Talk about top notch performance in advanced 3D games.

 

People will always want the latest and the greatest to either fit in or to just have it. However, as to when it will become released, nobody knows and I doubt anyone wants to try and guess.

 

I was going to say this too. DX11 is only at the cusp of being utilized. Unless there's siginificant advancements or reasons for implementing a new DX version, I don't see why. Tesselation is/was the big to do for DirectX 11, among many other refinements. But most PC's even if they have DirectX 11 hardware, don't have the horsepower to take advantage of the tech.

I'm more interested in the ability to much more efficiently process existing code than keep throwing out newer tech that nobody can ever really achieve except for triple GPU with dual octo-core CPU setups.

 

Not anymore, Nvidia has pushed it back to 2014.

http://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/113297/ISC-Briefing-Sumit-June11-Final.pdf

Slide 14 is their timeline.

 

for now it seems that it will still be years ahead before dx12 will be implemented, the console ports standard of some games are dx9, dx11 when applied and made properly is breath taking. like what they did in bf3 lighting implementations just awesome

 

I think 11.1 will come out before 12, unless they roll them in together.

And Maxwell is definitely not like the difference between an iPhone 4g and 4gs. That is a huge huge jump in performance from previous gen.(Kepler)

 

Game developers are barely taking advantage of Dx11 PC hardware so why should Microsoft bother to push anything new?

First generation 28nm GPUs get support for Dx11.1 and thats probably just a minor upgrade for efficiency or something.

 

I hope they grasp DX 11 like they did with 9. My meaning is that I hope they keep it alive and many devs take advantage of DX11 capabilities before jumping onto the "latest and greatest" flagship. PC tech has jumped into DX11 where consoles still sit at DX9 and will until the next gen hardware is pushed through. I want to see a lot more games take full advantage of DX11.

 

I agree. DX9 was around for years and years. But with Windows 8 will they push through DX12 "just because" or maybe continue with DX11. And in reality, most games are skipping DX10 altogether and going with DX11. Hopefully it "sticks" like DX9 did.

 

DX11 will finally become the standard, once the next Sony and MS console are released.

I don't think console affordable DX12 GPUs will be taping out by 2013.

 

It's so far away it's not worth getting all worked up over.

 

I think my next laptop will be Maxwell, damn too far away

 

No doubt, but it's something I am definitely looking forward to.

They usually stay behind one or two gens. So new consoles will probably come with DX10 GPUS.(4xxx series from AMD) Since NVIDIA got the boot from the console OEMS(rumor).

 

There's no way 2013/2014 consoles come with DX10 GPUs.

Even the AMD 7xxx series will be dirt cheap by that time.

 

This doesn't really add up, especially looking at the Xbox 360. It had a custom GPU that was very much so like the x1900, which wasn't even released until shortly after the xbox.

Moreover, the custom GPU had some functionality that wasn't released until about a year and a half later.

The PS3 was delayed significantly, and it was released right when the next graphics tech was released. It was exactly 1 generation behind on release, but keep in mind it was delayed for almost a full generation worth of graphics technology.

I would say in general, that consoles tend to come with much newer tech than 1-2 generations behind. If consoles were released today, I would expect DX11 parts based on the geforce 600 series (kepler) or the AMD 7000 series (southern islands).

If the consoles are released in the future, you should expect GPU tech based on whatever is being released at that time.

 

This. I've also sometimes think; how much better can the grapichs on a game get?

Oh, I've replaced my iPhone 4 with 4S. First reason becasue it is newer yes, it boots faster, I had lag between skipping music etc. which now is gone. Ah and my new friend Siri. Just sayin'

 

Might be surprising considering how amazing graphics are these days, but real time graphics can get MUCH better.

Without the requirement for real time (which basically equates to about 15 milliseconds per frame of render-time budget) - we tend to spend much longer per frame to get a really good image... minutes per frame is common (or hours!). One hour per frame would be one second of film output per compute-day (and games need higher frame rate than film). We could definitely put hardware that was 1000x faster to good use.

 

I imagne that we will start back on 1440x900 but everything in 3D for this time, and workit back up again.. This time without glasses.

 

Graphics are just now at the point of being almost half-decent.

 

Some people are hoping for cameron's avatar level of graphics.

 

Okay I give up - let me ask it another way then; do we really need it?

 

if you ask that do we need it? i will say yes imo, but that only supports that dx12 will be (or should be) waayyy something else than dx11, in games that utilizes dx11 and was implemented properly, you will see the difference compared to dx9, now top that from dx11 to dx12. is it worth the performance hit? is it worth the new picture including the tessellation and other dx11 stuff? these things are all but speculation over and over again unless in the future we will see how dx12 will look like, its technology, and technology bumps forward nonetheless imo tech goes like they improve a little, but they leave a bigger price tag.

 

Apart from the 360...how so?

Wii U is a next gen console with a custom R770 GPU...(Three gens behind)

I think they will probably use a southern islands chip when they get released, but not if they were released today.

 

The wii was never designed to have good graphics, that's not its selling point, whereas the 360 and PS3 pretty much had graphics as their only selling point.

 

the wii is in it's own universe. i'm talking about the xbox 360 and the ps3. those are the only modern consoles. the wii was sold at a much lower price point and not only had old GPU tech, but also old processor tech.

you were saying consoles tended to be 1-2 generations behind in tech... the wii was over 4 generations behind. (I'm going with 6 generations behind, but it depends on how you count).

I was operating on the idea that you didn't mean the wii, because that's so far off from what you were saying, even as a ballpark figure.

 

I never said anything about the Wii...

I said the Wii U and that does have pretty good graphics, southern islands would be better than what the Wii U has, and yes I wasn't bringing the Wii into this. Just the Next gen Wii U which release date is supposed to be announced this year and is using outdated hardware. Also, I highly doubt that the PS4/XBOX whatever will ship with an 8000 series/maxwell custom GPU in 2014 or whatever when they launch.

 

def. cant wait for DX12 to come out and see whats in store.