DirectX 12 is here!

It could be Windows 9 exclusive. The timing of release matches up with the rumours of the Windows 9 release window.

 

Yep, that's what I was wondering, does this mean Dec 2014/Jan 2015 or more like Nov/Dec 2015? LOL... I knew it wouldn't be an introduction and away they go. That's 1.5 years away, so Mantle could very well have had a hand in their reason for DX12. Thank AMD, not Microsoft.

 

I bet that when they say "4 years of building Dx12" they mean 3 years of mentioning at launch once per semester "Hey dude, maybe some day we start doing some work for Dx12?" and 1 last year of hard work since they first heard about mantle L.

 

From msdn blog.
Looks like they ported 3DMark11 to 3DMark12 (lol) and the CPU used 50% less time displaying that frame. That is very impressive and Mantle only saw similar gains with Multiplayer.

3DMark11 using DX11


3DMark11 using DX12



Another cool thing is that Nvidia used only a few people to port Forza from DX11 to DX12 and make it playable on the GTX Titan. This could mean that some developers might not need much effort and resources to re-release games on DX12 or even port games from consoles to PC and DX12. Would love to see some this year

 

Yeah DX12 is a knee-jerk reaction to Mantle. That's why it's so far off. It clearly hasn't been in development for very long.

 

2014... This is where we are supposed to die

 

Hope MS will give us full collection of Halo on Windows 9.

 

So do I, but as long as Xbox is around it'll never happen. Same with Gears of War.

 

There's been some clarification regarding DX12 support on current GPU's from AMD and Nvidia. All AMD GCN-based GPU's and all Nvidia DX11-class GPU's (Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell) will support lower-level abstraction but not the full DX12 spec. Meaning some DX12 features will still require next-gen GPU hardware. So far, Microsoft has mentioned only two DX12 features that will need new hardware: new blend modes and something called conservative rasterization, which can apparently help with object culling and hit detection (I think they mean collision detection ). But there may be more that are yet to be announced.

DirectX 12 will also add new features for next-gen GPUs - The Tech Report

I thought it was too good to be true that DX12 in its entirety would be available on our current GPU's and it turns out that is indeed wishful thinking. New versions of DirectX have always required new hardware to enable all features; it's always been that way. New D3D_FEATURE_LEVEL 12 functionality won't be available to us unless we upgrade, but the fact that DX12 will be partially supported on current cards makes it feel a lot like the transition from DX10 to DX11. If you recall, DX11 was build strictly as a superset of DX10/10.1, meaning DX11 code and games could run just fine on DX10/10.1 hardware but only implementing some new features such as multi-threading while omitting others such as tessellation and compute shaders.

 

No big issue. We still get the best feature of them all

 

I don't know about that...

The object culling sounds really important. After all, DX12 is focused on performance, right?

 

I think that is not relevant. I mean, why would Microsoft prevent Halo from being released on PC/laptop? By bringing HALO to PC, that would definitely bring more money to them, right? Besides, the markets of console and PC are totally different. And they are really loyal to their chosen platforms. They even have console and PC at the same time. I think your argument can only be relevant if you bring Sony PS4 to the conversation. Microsoft definitely will never release HALO to Sony's console because that would just steer the consumers of Xbox One to PS 4. The same applies to Sony that will (probably) never let Uncharted from being released to Xbox.

 

Platform exclusivity applies here as well. Halo is one of the Xbox marquee franchises/killer apps and it helps sell consoles which is what M$ wants.

Trust me, I grew up playing Halo PC and have devoted hundreds if not thousands of hours to it and Halo CE mods and I'd love for it to return to the PC as much as the next guy. But it looks like that's never gonna happen at this rate and it still rankles me to this day.

 

Microsoft: PC Gamers can expect “more focus” from us | DSOGaming | The Dark Side Of Gaming

And so it begins....

 

That's why. I for one won't buy a console if all the games that are exclusive for consoles were available for PC, I'd buy a joystick instead and play everything on PC. I'm sure a good percentage of the console owners out there would do the same thing.

 

Exactly. That's the argument of console exclusivity I was making. I mean if Halo, Forza, Gears, Uncharted, The Last of Us, MGS, Final Fantasy, Mario, SSB, Zelda... (you get my point) were all available on PC, there would be absolutely no reason for a lot of people to buy consoles, and M$, Sony, and Nintendo would lose a ton of console sales.

 

DirectX 12 is Windows 7 compatible.

April 4th, 2014 - The WAN Show Document - Linus' Videos, News, and Ramblings - Linus Tech Tips

 

Someone please clarify to me, what a heck is "Windows 7 hardware"

 

More importantly, Yahoo is building their own "YouTube"...

 

Awesome plan. Its not like Youtube or the other thousand video streaming sites is enough

Yahoo, sigh. Who decided to wreck that company?

 

With XP losing support soon, I just upgraded my ancient Pentium 4/Radeon 9800 Pro box to Windows 7. DX12 baby!

 

Meanwhile : https://www.change.org/p/bring-forza-horizon-2-to-pc

 

How big is the "bring Halo to PC" petition?

 

Still waiting for the results

 

Don't keep your fingers crossed. We been waiting for Halo for almost 10 years. You know they're never gonna release it on PC. Forza, Halo, Gears, etc. sell Xbox consoles. If they were on PC, Xbox sales would fall off a cliff. So instead of releasing these games on PC, M$ is letting us stream them from an XB1 to our PC running Windows 10. How kind of them!

 

Wasn't there something about games becoming universal as well?

 

Yeah, universal Windows Store apps like Halo: Spartan Assault and F2P games nobody cares about like Fable Legends

 

I'm not getting an xbox one for these games either 1080p 60fps orrrrrrrr nothinnnn'

 

They should just adopt the model of bringing old Xbox/360/One games to PC a generation later via HD Collection type things.

However, it's more difficult (apparently) than one would imagine. They can't even get the HD Collections right. Master Chief Collection is a mess. Even after the latest patch, the only thing that functions correctly is the ranked H2 Anniversary collection. The campaign co-op is an insane lag fest full of glitches. I went through all 4 Halo games on co-op. Multiple times had to restart levels when we were almost to the end due to glitches/lag drops. Then you have to start the whole level over because only in SP can you start from checkpoints.

Attrocious. So if they brought Halo MCC to PC, I would hope it came with mod support. At least then the mods could somewhat fix the game. Halo 1 PC by Gearbox was an awful mess as well. The darn game lagged on LAN!

 

Windows 10 will be coming out in the summer. I wonder if any autumn/winter games will utilise DirectX 12.

 

Maybe the new COD will.. Who knows

 

Fable Legends is confirmed

 

Did anyone successfully tried Dx12 Feature Test while being in Optimus with Ivy Bridge HD4000 and earlier?

 

Hey! My 650M supports Dx12 on practice now!

You need to use latest 352.84 WHQL Nvidia drivers and updated 3DMark-v1-5-893

Spoiler

 

Nice ...

 

And? Do you get the 20% more performance promised by DX12 ?

 

In what game?

 

No DX12 games yet so no testing yet is what your trying to say right?

 

Damn. I thought the use of DX12 would enhance older DX11 games by automagically using the newer API. Would have been nice if all these games from 2009-2015 could be played with higher FPS. Wrong conclusion, I guess. It obviously means these older games need to deliver a DX12 patch first - which is very unlikely to happen

 

Indeed...