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    Does ASIC Quality matter?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Ionising_Radiation, Dec 17, 2015.

  1. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    I was wondering about this as I tweaked with my notebook's GPU clocks, and I was using GPU-Z. My GTX 860M's ASIC comes out to be 69.5%. Does this value have any significance? Below is an image from the GPU-Z ASIC Quality reading:
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    How true are the statements in the image? Do I need to worry about having such a 'low' ASIC score? And back to the title: does the score even matter, or is it just some number coughed up by GPU-Z after taking readings of some components?
     
  2. smoking2k

    smoking2k Notebook Consultant

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    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    My ASIC quality on both my 980M GTXs is 73% but I read on OC Forums that it means nothing, some people has had great overclocking capability even with a 63% ASIC quality
     
  4. i_pk_pjers_i

    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

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    I heard that ASIC quality does directly determine the voltage tables for Maxwell. Other than that, it doesn't really matter much.
     
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2015
  5. thegh0sts

    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    i remember on the TI forums that J95 was asking for people's ASIC scores and stock voltage with a stock vbios.
     
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    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

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    Yep, Prema does the same.
     
  7. TBoneSan

    TBoneSan Laptop Fiend

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    I'm fairly certain that's to get a feel of what voltage tables they should be dialing into their vbios / drivers.
    ASIC affects how much voltage is need when OCing. High ASIC generally needs less voltage but still doesn't guarantee is awesome OCing card.
    There is also the other parts of the GPU's quality that don't get reported, yet also have an impact on OCing.
     
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  8. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    Ah, I understand. My own GPU used 1.18 V (before a motherboard swap) at stock clocks with an ASIC of 67.3%; now it uses 1.10 V (ASIC 69.5%). 80 mV difference for about 2.2% ASIC? That's quite a lot.
     
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    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    it is a lottery after all.
     
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  10. i_pk_pjers_i

    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

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    Am I being an idiot or is that only an 8mV difference?
     
  11. smoking2k

    smoking2k Notebook Consultant

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    milli is 10^-3 so if you move the decimal place over 3 places it is indeed 80 mV!
     
  12. Raidriar

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    lets see here....
    8mV = 0.008V
    Original V = 1.18V
    New V = 1.10V
    Difference = 0.08V = 8cV = 80mV
     
  13. i_pk_pjers_i

    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

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    Okay, I was an idiot when I was tired as hell at 2AM, got it. Thanks for clearing that up!
     
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    Raidriar ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

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    No problem mate we all have those days haha
     
  15. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    High ASIC = lower default VID but higher leakage as voltage is increased
    Low ASIC = higher default VID but lower leakage as voltage is increased

    For non-Maxwell cards, low ASIC is actually an advantage since the lower leakage means the chip can often be pushed further and harder than one with a higher ASIC. For this reason the 780 Ti Kingpins are all binned for low ASICs (<65% I believe) so they'll have plenty of headroom before the leakage starts becoming intolerable

    Maxwell is an oddball, because it doesn't voltage scale worth jack until subzero, so chips with high(er) ASICs values can sometimes go a bit further because of the lower default VID. But again, this is simply a consequence of the fact that Maxwell doesn't scale with voltage until subzero.
     
  16. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

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    High ASIC chips are better suited for desktops due to leakage which increases heat despite lower voltage.

    That's pretty much the only thing that your ASIC score is good for besides being used as a unique identifier for your card(s).
     
  17. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    What and how exactly does a GPU 'leak'?
     
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    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    voltage leak?
     
  19. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Yup voltage leak... More like a power leak, generates extra heat and reduces performance..

    Sent from my LG-H811 using Tapatalk
     
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    As transistors get smaller, electrons are able to migrate freely among them and leakage current becomes a problem. For a more scientific answer, Wikipedia has a good explanation.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_(electronics)

    Read the part under semiconductors.
     
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    Fun fact the pentium 4 never released at 4ghz because almost half the power consumed at that point was leakage - eek.
     
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    Kevin Egregious

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    Where in GPU-Z do I click for my ASIC percentage?
     
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    Click the top-left of the window or right click on the top of the window. A menu should appear, and checking the ASIC % should be an option.
     
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  24. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

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    That doesn't surprise me at all. Pentium 4 was a disaster.
     
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