Encryption Chip Will End Piracy!

What else they put in our PCs without our notice?! LOL

Source:
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52841

 

Meh dont worry about this >.< invasion of privacy problem solved.

 

Bushnell is just trying to become relevant again. If anyone needs any proof the video game industry isn't hurting, just look at GTA IV. If you make good games, people will buy them.

 

not it wont...

 

Anyone want to start placing bets on how long until this fails?

 

I don't know if it will, but I hope it does.

If I was in their position, I'd put as many piracy prevention techniques as legally/technologically possible. They're at a disadvantage because they have to fight legally against people who have no regard for laws.

But on the other hand (I'm no saint), it's terrible the amount of music I/People download without giving credit to the creators. But on a side note: Here in Canada CD-Rom companies pay big royalties to musicians.

 

lol, the day after some determined dude/gal receives their new PC with the chip in it.

 

I though Vista ended piracy? Amirite?

 

A proprietary chip on the motherboard that stores encryption keys, to decrypt your software? That will be defeated easily. Just capture the decrypted version of the game and distribute. Or just make a software emulation version of the chip. Done.

 

No need to bet... it´s failing allready...

This is just like Starforce/SecuROM anticopy protections... they advertized the same thing: The end of piracy! Guess what, it not ended...

 

Haha.. Piracy cannot be killed like this..
the Russians will surely come up with a crack.

U think Hardware encryption can prevent piracy? How about PS2 & PSP modding then?

LOL!

 

Or just buy a laptop without a TPM chip.

 

LOLL HA HA HA LOL

Wow I love it when companies try to "end piracy" and fail miserably. Piracy is next to impossible to stop. So funny LOL.

 

Talk like a Pirate thread?

/eyepatch

 

/parrot /parrot /parrot

 

Making buying Original stuff easily can kill Piracy..

for example iTunes store....

it really reduced piracy...although its not international

and it has DRM also and hence not 100% successful

 

I wonder if placing said chip is even legal in the 1st place, especially since stealth installation of motherboard features do more than just prevent piracy.

 

Crap if it succeeds, cool if it doesn't...I mean hurray lets end piracy

 

This idea is surely of a marketing monkey that doesn't have a clue about how things work (maybe watching Discovery will help him ). Brother pirates, fear not! We will not be vanquished!

 

They just don't get it do they? I'm a huge consumer of PC games and have spent literally thousands and thousands of my hard earned dollars on games because I believe in supporting the industry.

Being a paying consumer I'm the one that has to jump through hoops to get my game to work properly and end up resorting to some crack developed by some pirate anyhow. I find it insulting that by doing this, I am breaking the law even though I bought the game and rarely get the support from the publisher or developer to get teh game working properly.

Games like STALKER and Sins of a Solar Empire are examples of games that are successful and have zero copy protection. I'm sure there's others, but don't know off hand which ones.

The comment about seeing offices close down because of piracy is hard to swallow. It is near impossible to actually correllate piracy and lack of sales. They assume every pirated copy is a lost sale. Far from the truth. If piracy were truly eliminated they probably wouldn't see more than a 10% increase in sales because pirates just wouldn't bother any more with those games.

Bottom line, any game worth playing is worth paying for. So make a great game and people will buy it. There's a reason why games like Starcraft, Oblivion, Age of Empires, Half-Life games, Call of Duty are still selling well, boxed on store shelves, many years past their release. They're quality entertaintment.

Stop shoving **** out the door, respect the paying consumer, and eliminate the annoying copy protection schemes, and you're guaranteed to sell games.

 

No
It`s like stopping real -life stealing, it`s not going to happen ...

 

It seems like most of you guys are negative towards this idea. I say we should give them a try a give them some credit to try and prevent piracy, whether it works or not only time will tell.

But some of you are right, to me it seems that piracy is the scape goat for some developers that try to explain mediocre sales of their games.

 

And they think Indians and Chinese will start buying? You do piracy when you don't have/want to use money. Will just not buy the game and not play...

 

I'm pretty sure I have a TPM in my Thinkpad.

 

My C90S has one too but it is disabled by default on the bios. lol

 

It will get bypassed, I give it a week. Windows Update was hacked in 24 hours to allow pirated versions to get updates, 360's were hacked in about a month with EvoX, and the PSP took a bit longer; but nevertheless, hackers to the rescue!

 

if they don't like piracy, then just stop making games on PC, i personally have no problem buying a x360 or ps3 or even both instead of getting those 200$ 8800GT,9600GT blah blah blah every one or two years to enjoy the upcoming games.
Yes, piracy is wrong period. But how much is porting a game from a platform to another gonna cost? and yet they make the price all the same, which pretty much denies PC gaming to college and highschool kids unless they have super rich parents. i find it funny that those shameless businessmen never looks at what they should do to solve the problem instead they just point at the problem and yell, "HAH! It's your fault!"
I would suggest everyone to buy a copy of games if you have the money. but if you don't, according to Bushnell, GET LOST! lol

 

+1

DRM hurts the paying customers, it doesn't hurt the pirates.

Pirates simply remove the DRM, which means that people who download pirated games/music don't have to worry about DRM at all. It is the people who actually pay for it that suffer.

Itunes is a good example. God I hate Itunes! I will only buy "Itunes plus" songs that are DRM free... I don't have an Ipod (monopoly much?) and the DRM versions won't work in winamp or Audiosurf or any other application apart from Itunes. I know you can bypass this by burning it to CD and ripping it, but I don't have all that spare time.


What's the solution to the problem of piracy? Use STEAM.

 

Well, when one of the major game release groups included a 300 line breakdown of a sub-routine in the SecureROM encryption code, complete with details of how they did it (And why their crack was better than another release group), I'm fairly sure that a hardware chip is not going to stop anyone either. For as much as these developers' people get paid to write encryption, there are hundreds if not thousands of other people out there who have endless hours of free time and crack these things for fun. They're kidding themselves if they think this stuff will work.

There's pirated versions out of all the Steam games too. Multiplayer doesn't work on Steam's servers, but everything else does.

 

There isn't any patch support for offline games either, so it's a strong deterrent if you need support. For example, I heard a guy complaining about a glitch in his HL2 EP2 game that prevented him from even finishing the game.

 

Yes there is, release groups release cracked versions of patches too. But I don't want this thread to get locked for too much piracy discussion, the point is, it happens, and is done well, so these attempts by companies are laughable.

 

No, we can pretty much tell right now. The reason people are negative towards it is that it is pure marketing directed at people who haven't even the faintest idea of how pirates operate. They're not going to bother with your hardware encryption or whatever, they'll just crack the executable like they've always done and disable the code that does the verification.

These people are snake oil salesmen. There is no good reason not to be negative towards them.

 

At least they are trying to do something. People complain about piracy and when someone tries to do something they get shot down and get called "marketing people" or whatnot

Give them a chance.

 

It's because the whole system is flawed. The best way to counter piracy is to make games that don't suck. Sales and loss figures break down because they assume they're losing customers, when in reality the pirates are people who would never have bought the game anyway. The reason for the drop in sales is that the games are now owned by far, far more people, so positive and negative word of mouth spreads faster and more potently.

I don't see the Half Life series of games having any problem selling. TF2? I'm a member of a game-only piracy site and everybody there bought it because it's that good. I own just about the whole Valve collection legitimately because it's quality stuff.

 

This is just another of those threads that will get closed pretty soon ...

 

People keep it on topic. This will fail because somebody will find a way to emulate said chip. And as far as we know doesn't Vista severy restrict the access to low-level hardware anyway?

 

yea this anti piracy threads are BS and are getting anoyying, there will never be a cure ever

 

That's a load of bullocks and a cheap excuse, I hear it too often. If a dude pirates a game and plays it to see if he is going to buy it and then decides he wont because the game is not good, he still got entertained a still used a product for his enjoyment, no matter how bad the game was and for that the developer has to be credited. If you want to "test" a game before spending some money on it why don't you read reviews? Watch trailers? See what other people say? Another cheap excuse is "it's too expensive", not having the money doesn't give you the right to steal it + how much did your computer cost you anyway?

BoT: I think a lot of developers use the excuse of piracy to explain mediocre sales of their games. Such a chip will hopefully, to some extent, limit piracy as an excuse and make them reflect on the quality of their game. I know that nothing like this is "crack" or "pirate" proof and it will probably be cracked and it may turn out to only hurt the people who buy legal copies of the game but how much can it really hurt us??

 

What really sucks is that, well first off, when I bought splinter cell pandora tomorrow, the game wouldn't even start, so I needed a crack to bypass the anti piracy measures even though I legally purchased the retail version.

When I bought DiRT, same thing, It wouldn't start, and furthermore it made my last PC BSOD because of the anti piracy software when I started DiRT without the crack.

Bioshock, that was horrible! again, couldn't do ANYTHING without a crack.


I think these anti piracy measures are beginning to be the reason why some people even pirate games to begin with. Someone who pirates the game, actually deals with less crap than we do.

There is always one shure way to stop piracy though, and it's proven. Tie the game to an online community. Games like COD4, CS:S, TF2, WoW, all other MMO's sell well because of thier multiplayer communities that is impossible to get on a pirated version. Stop it with all this endless registration, and CD checking programs. Steam is a great step in the right direction, and mabe if Crysis were released on steam they would have sold more.

That actually is very wrong. I've never on any occasion EVER, seen someone pirate a game just to try it, UNLESS they find out later that they are forced to buy it because they want to play it online, such as COD4.

No one pirates games to try them. No one is going to download a 14GB or so game, then play the first few levels, and say "I gotta buy this" then go buy it, re-install it, and start over.. no, that doesn't happen. People pirate games because they are cheap, and greedy. They feel as though they should make an entire industry, and community of gamers suffer because everything should be free just for them.

 

Thank you. Also, pirate likes the game and plays his illegal version through, do you think he is going to go out to the local gamestop and buy a copy of the game??

I think Steam is a great tool and part of the reason behind Valve's success. I think all games should be sold through Steam. No more CDs >.<

 

Then hackers would dedicate their time to steal your Steam account.
Seriousely,this thread is going nowhere.

 

All it does is create a hash key based on your hardware and software configuration (see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module ) so it can tell whether the computer the program is currently running on is what it expects to be. I suppose you could figure out how it does it (though it sounds hard), but even if you can't, it does not provide any more security to the publisher than, say, BioShock or Mass Effect (which accomplish the same trick through remote authentication). In fact, depending on how it works, it might be kind of useless because every time you add more RAM to your system, your hardware configuration will change so I'm not sure how its hash function will handle common upgrades.

Yes. You can disable it via BIOS or via a Windows function that does it for you.

 

Some one will make a TPM emulator

 

6 days before it's ever released....

 

So do 99% of threads in these forums, so should we just stop posting in these then?

 

No, I`m saying THIS PARTICULAR THREAD is going nowhere.
Forum rules , piracy talks are not allowed.

 

I think that's a bit out of context, because no one here is talking about pirating software, or throwing around illegal links, rather just talking about thier thoughts on piracy, and anti piracy measures that companies are taking. What your trying to say is that even me saying piracy is bad, is illegal talk? It is on topic as well..

 

This thread has nothing to do with that. Those threads are people asking how to crack Windows or where to download X movie/album/game. This is simply a discussion of a hardware DRM method. Nothing illegal going on here.

 

problem of piracy exists, but I'm going to agree that this chip stuff is just another foolish idea.

 

nope there isnt... but this thread should still end cuz it IS going nowhere. I have the D901c and I HAVE THE TPM chip, it allows me to encrypt passwords and stuff... Its not gonna do anything new... thread over plz. technology advances -> hackers advance...