F1 2010 is a fraud, phony and fake

If all of this is true which it's going that way Codemaster's should be held accountable for this game. Have a look at the Codie's board which is on FIRE right now. [All] Confirmed Race AI is Phoney - Codemasters Forums

Here's the OP's post:
"The AI seen driving round the track bares little relation to the times posted.


Proof
Just raced on Bahrain and started in sixth. At the end of the 1st lap i was second. My lap time was 2:03. Webber was in first, he was at most a second a head on track yet his lap time was 2:00. The big issue was Kubica. He was 3rd, yet his lap time was 1:59. This is impossible. There is no way that on the first lap Kubica can go round the track 1 second quicker than Webber, 4 seconds quicker than me and still end up in 3rd at the end of said lap.

If the AI we see on the track are not posting the lap times and just populated like cars in GTA that would explain lots of the issues I have with the game

No split times - cause the AI isnt actually lapping

Strange AI pit stops(questioning whether the AI has made a pit stop)

No penalties for the AI


This game is a time trial with the AI just there to act as blockers of the racing line. The AI difficulty isnt how well they drive just how aggressively they defend the racing line. Should really have expected this from a game based on a rally engine."

 

Looooool, this game was all marketing nothing else, i can say the did spoke a lot and they did it well but its just disgusting they did put a lot of effort on dummy things that are not needed,

The game has DX11 and not DX10 so its DX9 and DX11 but you have to enable manually DX11 so this explains that this game was somehow unfinished, why are Game developers ruining all best games i still cant understand.

 

/facepalm

Nice to see that they skipped the most importand stuff that should be in racing games. haha

 

Maybe they are doing what Mafia 2 did. Leave out important features and then charge you $10 a pop to get them back.

 

Mario Kart is more realistic.

 

LOL, so glad I didn't buy this yet. If this ends up being true Codemasters might as well throw in the towel and call it quits on racing games.

 

I was under the impression that Dirt 2 was well received, but that may have just been my opinion. I hope they make a Dirt 3.

 

And even THEY speed-cheated when you were in the lead!

 

Faking AI is on the same level as athletes using steroids/HGH in the Olympics. They can always clean up their act, but a tarnished record is a tarnished record. Shame on you CodeMasters.

 

i have a feeling that the thread op linked will disappear.

 

Agreed, the last time I checked the page count which was 5 hours ago it was at 23 and it started midday yesterday. Wait till the Codie team has to answer all those tough questions on Monday. They'll have no choice but to shut it down.

Spoke to soon, thread closed. !

 

I'm doubting this. I've checked out a lot of reviews and it seems to me it's been getting good marks from ign, gamespot, etc.

Maybe you are looking into this game too much. After all, a video game will always lack something from the real thing...after all, it's just a game! Important thing is the fun factor, and that you get some kind of F1 experience out of it. If you can't then maybe it's time you try Kart racing and move your way up to the real F1 circuit? I'll be buying the game this weekend. Probably will get my Dirt 2 on as well. I'm just hoping the little old 5870m can handle it.

 

you still cant beat GP4 from geoff crammand
codemaster should get him working on it for the 2011 F1 game

 

Seriously I could have predicted this thread the second I saw the promo video with its DX9.5 graphics and mario kart physics. It was that obvious of a low-quality console port, but I keep forgetting it's sadly not that obvious to others because apparently people are buying it... and on PC. Sigh, they moan and complain and wonder why our industry is going down hill with all this crap-tier games, and then they turn around and support them. As if their memories didn't last beyond a few months and seemingly beyond CodeMaster's other portalicious titles including OFP: DR.

What does it say that my F1 Challenge '99- 2002 has better graphics than this F1 2010, is designed better, and without a doubt entirely more supportive of the mod community? Be better consumers people.

 

Me too unfortunately. What tipped me off were pre-release screenshots with a note that F1 cars on the screenshot were 2009 models but the retail version of the game would be released with 2010 models.
As you all probably know F1 cars are redesigned for every season- in 2009 they used KERS now F-duct but no KERS not to mention aerodynamic changes.
It was obvious that they never designed 2009 and 2010 models- they just changed liveries/bodywork.
With that attitude towards the game from Codemasters I kind of felt more nasty surprises were on the way.

 

Oh come on (ridiculous statement), you must be blind, F1 Challenge looks like crap. I own F1 2010, and it's actually really good, I can understand how this may anger a hardcore F1 fanatic, but to unfairly say that it is now a bad game (when a few days ago everyone was praising it) just makes you guys look ridiculous. Also, what's with all the Codemasters hate, these are the same guys that created Dirt, GRID, Dirt 2, TOCA etc. Those are all excellent and are some of the best racing games I have ever played. In terms of visuals, find me a more realistic looking racing game than Dirt 2/Grid/and even F1 2010.

Also, did we all forget that this is just a video game. I mean come on, don't get so riled up about something so minuscule. It's not like you're actually racing in F1 and they faked the times. Other than this particular flaw, the game mostly screams quality. I will now return to enjoying F1 2010.

 

Low framerate is a flaw, bad optimization is a flaw, AA not working is a flaw. Faking AI in a racing game is a ripoff.

 

Here's the potential reason why some like myself (PC version) have experienced severe and massive slowdowns. It appears a massive 2GB replay file is being accessed or written to which results in a catastrophic drop in FPS. Codie's has issued a temporary solution, don't know if they'll fix it this year.

F1 2010 Errors, Crashes, Freezes and Fixes | SegmentNext

" 3# Frame Skips, Low FPS, Lag
PC version of the game may be experiencing all this due to a massive replay file, too much data writing occurs on that file causing the lag and frame skips, when you go back to the game after having watched a replay.
You can find the file here."

Click on the link to read more.

 

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This is a huge surprise to me, being a fan of all of codemasters racing games. I was just starting to enjoy this game too.

Also OP's thread is closed...thats suspicious.

Wondering if I should keep playing or not :s

 

if you like it, play it.

 

Fake AI sort of takes away the immersion. Now its like your alone on the track, and the times for the other racers are already determined. Its like 1 big time trial with a bunch of moving roadblocks.

 

Nailed it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best description i've read so far. And just to clear things up i'm not the OP of the link on the first post. I read about it on another forum, just decided to share the info.

 

By the way I bought the Steam version and was looking to pickup the 360 version. After this fiasco, I decided not to reward Codemasters.

 

Just played it again and started a new short race weekend, I wish it wasn't true, but I feel no need to play it anymore...I hope they dont do this for Grid 2.

Now I need another racing game to play :s

 

Sorry man but I feel the same way as you do. I wish it wasn't so.

 

It's a great game.

But is about as close to real F1 racing as we are to real drivers. LOL if you need me to tell you that.

 

They'll probably patch it sooner or later.

lol @ the people trashing CodeMasters. This is the only blunder they've made in a racing game (OFDR was another story). If you've tried their other products like Dirt, Dirt 2 or GRID you know they can do their racing games well.

 

Not really the point. Yes they have made great and fun games. However, this is a way to ruin their reputation. If they are so good and have made so many great games then why did this happen? It makes people distrust them and be wary of buying future games from them.

 

The trash talk is likely coming from those who are used to more sim-styled F1 racing games that were released prior to this version.

 

I was trying to find a free demo of this one, now I know why I couldn't. The demo is still on sale.

 

I don't see how a glitch like that can ruin a reputation. Nobody on Steam forums is even aware of the issue. I never care for other cars' lap times, they have no impact on the game and are a small aspect. If people want to take it like "oh I'm just racing by myself" then that's just exaggerating the problem and making the game less fun.

 

It's not a glitch, it's false advertising. It's more of an F1 driving simulator than an F1 racing simulator.

 

but you are still racing against competent AI aren't you? It's just that the lap times are wrong?

 

No. You aren't racing against anything. The only cars that are in the track are the ones you can see, the game makes them appear to make it look like you are actually racing against them. The final times are predetermined (or determined sometime during the race) and you can't really change them (by physically interacting with the other drivers). Even if your driving is flawless, the only way you're gonna be first is if you beat the time the game has already predetermined for X driver (the best time).

 

As others have mentioned, NO. The game is just generating lap time numbers for the other cars. If it thinks Lewis Hamilton should be fastest on the track it will post his time as the fastest lap. It makes no difference what Lewis Hamilton is doing on the track because if the game says he's the fastest by golly, he's the fastest.

As for the cars on the track it's all an illusion because they are basically your road blocks much like my favorite arcade game, Ridge Racer. F1 2010 is essentially a rally game with time trials with you are the only one doing the real laps. Everything else the game generates a time you need to beat.

 

I see, it seems to be a pretty big issue then. Hope CodeMasters fix it soon.

 

they made the TOCA series which i quite enjoyed so im suprised at this
return the game to them and demand a refund

consumer rights ftw

 

For me Grid was a great Game and it had AI that made me crazy till i passed them, i always did spin out of the track or crashed with then at corners during overtakes. that could me Ok for this game as far as i see.

The other thing that bothers me is that this game is FIA licensed and it has a different OSD a thing that i was quite upset and its not giving me the feeling of and F1 game at all. the OSD for me is one of the main things to have a great feel of the game.

Really disappointed this time and if they wont fix these i dont know if it is worth waiting till F1 2011 or go to rFactor.

I cant understand why i dont know who is i charge making decision about game engine (not developers coding it but who says do this do that, managers i can guess) go and change the game engine when thy have a perfect one just before and they destroy it trying to make something new.

If it works just improve it dont change you found the way that works and stay with it.

So long

 

they really screwed up. now there will be damage control of closing / locking threads of the discussion. doesnt surprise me at all. it scored well on reviews if work got out it could hurt their sales. it really depends now if folks push the issue and post it in different forums.

 

Not mine. You see that's the thing about quality games that are made for PC instead of being ported. After I got done with the high-poly, high-res textures, map packs, new car models, new seasons, up to and including 2010 mods the game's lifespan has been incredibly prolonged and it still looks great. Perhaps to say it looks better than 2010 was an overstatement, but it still does play and function better than it. I'll take realistic AI & physics, combined with realistic controls and cars, over pre-recorded lap times and console physics any day.

As an F1 fanatic, I'm disappointed, but don't get me wrong, this is not about F1. This is about how our industry and PC gaming is continually fed this kind of ported crudware because people actually go out and buy games like this while remaining completely oblivious to the obvious signs of lack of quality and/or without doing even the slightest of research beforehand. I'll echo it again, what gaming needs right now isn't better games; it needs better consumers.

 

F1 2010 Review

8.5 out of 10

 

Now that, my friend, I can agree with. I can understand the disappointment and anger of an F1 fanatic such as yourself (one of the biggest things that separate F1 from other racing sports is its requirement for perfection), but to say this game is graphically less adequate than an almost decade old game is ridiculous. I can understand how mods can enhance visuals by a great degree but every engine has its limits (pun not intended). Anyways hopefully Codemasters will do something about this, as they're one of the developers/publishers I had a great deal of respect for. Please no more Activisions/Ea's

 

It is easy to see why it is this way. Do you think the Xbox 360 has the processing power for the AI on top of everything else already going on? No, it doesn't. Of course PC users get screwed because of it being a console port, yet again.

 

You'd think if other games could have competent AI, (Gran Turismo, Forza, NFS: Shift and etc) that this game could as well, but I digress.

 

You had me up until you said Gran Turismo and competent AI.

 

Heh, I was waiting for someone to say that. :laugh:
How about we replace GT with F1: Championship Edition for the PS3? (Developed by Liverpool Studios)

 

Now we're talking !

 

Yeah, but there are other things that could require more clock cycles, so the developers made a choice to cut out the AI instead of cut out or reduce the quality of other stuff.

 

Does this game have multiplayer on PC? If so, no AI problems there right.

Anyone try it out if multiplayer is available?