First REAL DX10 game this month!!!

So after all the speculation, contemplation, and reflection we will finally have our Dx10 questions resolved this month. Will DX10 truly offer a new level of graphics that will shatter DX9? Will DX10 allow us to run games more efficiently thus lending to the phrase many have been using: "less is more?" All our DX10 questions along with the inherent question many have been asking is DX10 enough to justify getting Vista?

Bioshock will be released on August 21st and I can't be more excited. Maybe not in the desktop world but the 8series has been taking alot of bashing (especially on these forums) because it did not live to the expectations or hold the standard of the mid-range being equivalent to the high end of the previous series. Regardless like I have been saying wait till a true DX10 ground up built game comes out and lets see what happens. I do not consider those shoddy patches on other games such as eve and company of heroes real DX10 games and can't believe some people consider them as so.

Bioschock is one of the most anticipated games in the gaming community often holding the top slot for being the most anticipated pc game of this year. (Yes even beating out crysis which has made much more of a splash on these forums). Regardless it is a FPS which touts rpg elements and looks amazing in its own right. I am looking forward to this as much as Crysis or perhaps even more because it is coming out earlier and will finally answer our DX10 questions.

I found this short snippet from youtube, you can probably find tons more but this video I think is short and to the point about the game and DX10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nywdxgJbHQ

Although the quality of the video isn't great you can see DX10 does bring a sense of realism to the effects. One of my friends was able to see the game in action right in front of him and he says it looks mind-blowingly (not a word I know) awesome.

Edit: Also found this video from youtube which might answer some questions about what DX10 does for people that don't get it. It also adresses the DX10 mid vs old DX9 high end issue. It is a short video but there is much more DX10 game offers that is not mentioned but I feel it answers many basic questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7aPvedU7cI&mode=related&search=

Well I look forward Bioshock which will come out in 19 days more for the questions it will answer then the game itself. Happy Gaming!

 

So is BioShock on a PC with DX10 going to look better than BioShock for the Xbox 360?

 

Yes probably but the main distinction will be DX9 vs DX10 quality and you will have to see the two in action to consider for yourself if it is a vast difference. Most people who I've talked to who have seen DX10 in action say it is noticeably better.

 

Interesting. I'd be curious to see how different it is.

Of course, my Xbox 360 only cost me $400, whereas I'd have to spend a lot more to build up a DX10 PC (my current machine is a socket 754 athlon 64 3400+ and an AGP 6800GT, so any new PC will need to be pretty much a complete rebuild).

 

Well an 8800 is more powerful then the 360s gpu and overall a good pc is more powerful then a console so there will be other improvements allowing for more graphical goodies.

 

I have been following this game since e3 2005 (I think), and can't wait for this. There are so many things I love about this game. This is coming from someone who loved FPS games in the ut2k4 era, but has become sick of them since.

These are the reasons I'm most excited about bioshock:

Freedom of choice (if it lives up to the hype)
Setting/Art style (this game really is set in a fresh environment)
Modifications to game play (all of the genetic modification you can make to yourself are very intriguing)
Interaction with environment (being able to burn your victams, so they run to a pool of water, then shock them when they get in is just great)

 

I bet.. only the Nvidia 8800 or the ATI HD 2900 can run that water simulation smoothly

 

FYI: Xbox 360 dropped in price to $350 this week for the premium.

 

Hey guys I know this isn't the topic of this thread but after watching the trailers for this game I've done got excited! I looked at the system requirements and it seems my system is perfect for this game but how do you guys think I'll be able to play it at high-med settings with a decent FPS?

-Taylor

 

I'm guessing low/med. The 8700m looks promising and I can't wait until the 8800m series. Though, anything less will have to either lower your resolution and/or settings to get a decent framerate.

Mike.

 

Cool. Too bad I'm not on DX10 hardware. Atlhough my card is still quite good.

 

ill be playing the xbox360 version

 

I didnt know Bioshock was dx10... Anyways, does anyone know if there will be a "dx9" version of the game like the rumor for crysis? If this game is DX10, how would you guys expect a 7900 or 7700 series card run the game?

 

both crisis and bioshock will run on dx9, just without the dx10 effects
for example dx10 version of crysis have rain and smoke during a boss battle while dx9 dosnt.

 

I think I'm going to pre-order BIOSHOCK, it should run on my system.

 

I'll try the demo.

 

I hope there is a PC demo.

 

Why shouldn't there be?

 

I'll just wait for reviews. If it gets so-so review then wait for demo, if raving reviews then buy it on the spot.

 

I'm pretty sure it will run well on dx9. I think it's made by the same guys
(2K) who made Prey so I believe the game should be fairly optimized for lower end system... Bioshock FTW!!!

 

heh, I know this is probably going to be Game of the Year but I wish they didn't have so much mystery around it.

I want to preorder but I also want to wait for the reviews because the previews haven't told me much

 

Actually, Assassin's Creed has game of the year written all over it. Does anyone know if that's gonna be DX10? I couldn't find anything.

 

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere what says Bioshock has DX10 built in. In the meantime why don't you guys check out this awesome trailer/video.

 

The guy in this video goes on and on about unified shaders which have nothing to do with DX10. It just happens that all current DX10 GPUs decided to go with a unified architecture, but the benefits would also translate to DX9 games.

He also mentions virtualized memory which I am fairly sure is more a consequence of Vista's new driver model rather than DX10. DX9.0L which Aero runs on is essentially DX9.0c with the benefits of virtualized memory.

Then he goes on about why anyone would buy a DX9 GPU when in a few months DX10 will make you feel left behind. Well, if that is the case, then why should anyone buy a DX10 GPU? Microsoft has already released a DX10.1 preview, which given that it requires Vista SP1 beta to run, looks to be part of SP1, which may yet be released before the year is out.

Anyways, I can't wait for true DX10 games to be released to see how all the vaunted benefits pan out. Although I'm really looking forward to UT3 in particular.

 

give bioshock more than 5 seconds after its release for the final verdict. its likely that a set of drivers / patches will come out shorty after its release.

 

I agree with you about the virtualized memory but not the rest.

The unified shader technology is like a symbiotic relationship between vista and gpu. The 8 series is the only series which supports it and directx10 is the only directx that supports it. So since directx10 is only available on vista (not including the mods to xp, since the general public won't have have it) dx9 will not the reap the benefits of the unified shader technology. Essentially both directx10 and the nvidia 8 series were released based upon the unified shader program.

DX10.1 is not a massive improvement over DX10. It gives the user more control over certain features such as antialiasing and also improves performance for multi-core users. It also improves somewhat performance in rendering and shading due to more precision pipelining. Regardless its improvements are all speculation much like the speculation of DX10 performance improvements since the visual improvements are obvious.

 

Well, DX9 does benefit from unified shader architecture... however, this is more a result of greater flexibilty between pixel shaders and vertex shaders, in that under previous-generation chips, the numbers of each shader were fixed, whereas under nVidia's 8-series and ATI/AMD's HD series, the number of each shader can be fixed dynamically. Other than that, it is true that DX9 cannot access many of the numerous benefits of DX10 hardware/Unified Shader Architecture, such as Geometry shading and tessellation units (only available on HD2900).

 

I partially agree. I would not call that unified architecture which like you said just adjusts dynamically but is more flexible (hmmm where did i hear that from ) but basically I am saying I agree with you but its not really unified architecture but the beginning steps to the concept of the unified shader. I was basically said all that before to say that dx9 does not get the benefits of the full unified shader technology.

 

From what I've read Assassin's Creed will be DX10.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/5701064934

 

Yeah, I read that. Coudldn't find anything. Myabe I'm just blind.

 

After having watched the DX9 v DX10 Crysis comparison videos (Jungle, and Boss) i was well impressed with DX10.

The Jungle scene on both DX9 and DX10 looked superb but DX10 makes it feel a bit more immersive and life-like.

PCGamer recently gave Bioshock 95% in their review. However i cant remember if they gave special mention to DX10 effects or whatever.

Pre-ordered it and should be able to play at decent settings for my lappy

 

Well, let's just say that if the Crysis Demo and BioShock Demo do not run well on my S96J, ill put off buying DX10 games until I can build a new PC in the spring/summer of 2008.

 

which means in next 6months. i am done playing games ㅜ.ㅜ unless i change my graphics to direct x 10...

 

I'm also impressed with DX10 but with Crysis - especially the boss bit it feels as though they crippled DX9 (I mean come on, no rain?)

 

yep totally agree. It was pretty rubbish. But i find it hard to believe thats the limits of DX9. So it was probably a setup. Dx10 is the new kid on the block and all that.

 

I don't know about there being a setup or anything... Crytek has been pretty neutral to what you run; it'll kick your system's ass no matter what you run, with enough eye candy! Even in DX10, there isnt anything out right now that can do it up ALL the way. The recently announced NV 9800's in SLI might be able to pull it off. Along with 9800 fps in CS:S lolz.

 

Yeah totally agree. The jungle scene was especially apparent. The lighting was gorgeous compared to the DX9 version where you actually had real rays of light which were blocked if the leaves of the trees moved, very immersive.

 

no. thats ridiculous. its not that intensive. you sound like the people who proclaimed that no PC would be able to run half life 2 well until years after its release. then the game came out and geforce 3 cards could run it well and the higher end cards of the day were more than enough to handle it.

enough said.

 

What is he talking about the crysis demos played by the crytek people was running on a 8800 gts. Crytek said they were designing it so 2-3 year old hardware was still able to run the games (obviously not at the highest settings). Companies are not dumb either (the smart ones aren't) if you design a game that only the most hardcore of systems can play how many copies of the game do you think they will sell?

 

Best graphics Award 2007 ? Dx10 Crysis is the next big thing Graphics and Immersion-wise based on that video footage. Its like another level. Tricky to describe but the dx9 footage seemed Flat?? Colourful yes but dx10 footage had lots more layers to it.

I just think the dx9 boss scene was not a real reflection of what dx9 can do.

Dx9 cant do fire and rain at the same time???

Ive seen what it can do in games like Stalker (brilliant lighting and weather effects imo)

 

Stands to reason that yes a company will design the game so it can run on as many PCs as possible BUT you can bet your life they will only be showing demos/footage of it at ITS BEST. ie on a ninja dx10 PC.

 

waiting for unreal tournament 3 . . . heard it also ix dx10 . . . how much deep in dx10 i dunno . . . also apart from dx10 heard that its got advantages to run in 64 bit os . . . . ( does 64 bit vista has a better dx10 . . ? ? ?)

 

Hehe true. But the interviews in shows and even people who have played the demos showed said the were running on the 8800 and not in sli just a single 8800 so its not as drastic as that other person made it out to be.

I was just trying to bring some love to bioshock because it seems kickass and its like 18 days away. True DX10 in all its glory can't wait.

 

A single 8800 is as powerful as 2 8600 GTS SLIed. Plus the extra 512bit (or issit 300 something) bandwidth, a single 8800 is way powerful than any notebook gpus... and that, is all desktop hardware... think of the 8600M, which the clock is lowered and such...

 

Yes but you forget that is probably with maxed out settings and still getting uncessarily high frame rates. I agree with you though and I know desktop 8800 is a beast, I was just saying that that notebook gpus will be able to handle crysis to that person who said that they wont be able to play it. My friend has his bioschock pre-ordered so I will probably borrow it from him just to test how it runs on my comp.

 

Bioshock through steam FTW

 

who knows what FPS a 8800gts can get, so far in DX10 games 8800gts are only getting mediocre FPS on normal resolutions. Sure some people claim the poor performance is due to those games not being made from DX10 from the beginning(whatever thats suppose to mean), but I'm not familiar with the technical details enough to comment on that.

Of course a 8700M can play Crysis, my personal guess would be mostly high in DX9 at 1280*1024 resolution.

 

Ew.

I think I'll stick with buying games regularly. I hate the concept of needing an application to launch all my games.

 

Its true the main reason behind the poor performance is because most of the games have had patches to DX10 which are encoded well and does not really compare to a game built up from the ground as DX10 games. Those games are not really optimized for DX10 with those patches so thats why we see the poor results.

No Crysis is running on DX10 in most of the videos and demos and its apprent which ones are DX10. DX10 is supposed to allow more performance not hinder it. .

 

Why do you not like steam?