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    GTA V, What do we want?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by thinkpad knows best, Jan 16, 2010.

  1. thinkpad knows best

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    GTA V was estimated to be released in the fall of 2010. IMO, GTA V will not have Crysis 2 graphics at release, it will probably have GTA IV graphics with all the shadow issues and glitches hopefully fixed. I'm going to make this short and sweet, just asking what we would hope GTA V to be, let's not hope it's a console focussed one again.

    What I personally want:
    -optimized for lower end graphic cards, it could be another Half Life 2 if they tried, which is extremely flexible on what GPU's it will play on
    -glitches that make it look kinda unrealistic fixed (shadows, getting out of cars when door is clearly closed)
    -better memory management (stuttering on 2GB RAM systems)
    -no DRM would be nice, but they're so worried about someone possibly getting their masterpiece's for free, so probably a pipe dream
    -check mark box in graphics sub-menu to enable or disable "graphic effects scaling with resolution"
    -less CPU dependent, although the latest patches have made it so that you don't necessarily need a quad core to play it smoothly, it still is the game that heats my CPU and GPU up the most, Dirt 2 only heats my T7700 up to a max of maybe 75 CPU, 75 GPU, GTA 4: 86CPU UNDERVOLTED, 83 GPU
     
  2. PurpleSkyz

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    I dont care what they do to it. I bought gta 4 and the heavy stutter was so crazy it made me throw the game in the garbage in rage (after weeks of trying to fix)

    I spend money on it, and cannot get a refund, so from now on, my policy is that if I ever spend cash on a poorly optimized game, rushed to the public for profit and obviously not finished, i will never buy its sequel.
     
  3. Lithus

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    It's going to be console focused, no question. GTA has been since the switch to 3D.
     
  4. dune10191

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    I'd like to see AA. At least 2 and 4x.
     
  5. ettornio

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    With Dox's latest 195.62 driver on Windows 7 x64, my D901C is finally able to play GTA 4 without any stuttering and with the textures on High. View Distance and Detail Distance on 40, Vehicle Density on 30, Water on High, Reflection Resolution High, etc. With the latest patch from Nov. '09, GTA4 is playable.

    It's not that it was a terrible port, it's that it was rushed. Take Two's fiscal year for 2008 was bad, so what better thing to do than to push GTA 4 PC out way early in Q4 '08? Anyway, I think they learned their lesson. Notice how a year after the game came out, it's finally playable for almost everyone? The game was forced out by T2 to appease shareholders. It needed 1 extra year in the oven. It just doesn't make sense that the same team (Rockstar North) did such amazing jobs on all of the GTA 3-series ports (only like 3 patches at most per game), and then GTA 4 is a travesty of a port.

    The only thing I want in GTA 5 are dedicated servers for multiplayer. Microsoft needs to dump the P2P motto for GFWL and get it right. It might work on 360 (and even when it does work it still sucks), but every PC gamer's hardware is different. Let's layoff the current GFWL guys (or re-assign), and get the Windows 7 development team in charge of GFWL. I bet they will understand.
     
  6. N00d13s

    N00d13s is too legit to quit!

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    Nothing really big, besides fixing what happened with GTA IV, but I did miss the parachute from San Andreas.
     
  7. Amnesiac

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    I wish they would fix the silly bug that happens ONLY with the Mobility Radeon HD 3650.

    And I wish it was more optimized, naturally.
     
  8. JCMS

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    Quite hard on consoles. PS3 cannot physically do AA + HDR at the same time (GF 7 chipset) and the 360 would need to game to run at a low resolution of be very optimised.
     
  9. MAG

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    GTA V? Already?
     
  10. Amnesiac

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    Yep. I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully it won't have to be on two discs for the 360 though.

    And hopefully I'll have my high end Clevo by that time. ;)
     
  11. nhat2991

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    Will it be GTA V? I reckon it's gonna be called GTA: *put a city name here* unless there's a major improvement like going from GTA III to GTA IV. Hopefully, it will be less demanding so my aging m1710 still can handle the game.
     
  12. thinkpad knows best

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    Yeah i initially thought like that, apparently they will remake Vice City, then sequentially remake San Andreas, then probably GTA V, yet another rendition of Liberty City. I hope Vice City isn't much like the old one, the old Vice City was pretty emotionless to me, it wasn't bad it was just pretty bleak i guess. The 80's theme was awesome though, maybe it will be called "GTA Vice City:Flashback", and go back to the 70's or something.
     
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    Nah, the 80's was when it was all happening in Vice City. Because Miami had all the drugs and organized crime there in the 80's.

    Think of the old TV show Miami Vice, and you will see. ;)
     
  14. Slaughterhouse

    Slaughterhouse Knock 'em out!

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    Wait is GTA5 seriously coming out later this year and it will really be a remake of Vice City?
     
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    Apparently this fall 2010, not a long time IMO to make another GTA, so i think it will probably be alot like Windows 7 was compared to Vista, Vista was a showcase OS that (to me) wasn't really ready for high productivity and efficiency, but showcased how great it was at making eye candy :D and Windows 7 ironed out all the bugs and performance issues, but i did hear that SP2 for Vista made the bootup experience and overall performance much the same as 7, does anyone know if Windows 7 RTM users will be able to install the service pack that will probably come out soon, before the expiration date?
     
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    I'm guessing you mean RC, not RTM, right?
     
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    Actually, the Xbox 360 gets a "free" 2x or 4x AA due to the nature of the hardware.

    http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2610&p=8
     
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    if the xbox 360 gets "free" AA then they should have used some in forza motorsport. that game is very "jaggy".
    i doubt we will see gta V in fall 2010. it might come out for the consoles at that time but not pc.
     
  20. ibraveheart

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    I hope we dont have to log in online to play on PC
    that really sucked :(

    & would be nice if we had fill gas in the car lol
    so we had to keep a eye on the gas too :p
     
  21. LaptopNut

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    You can play offline and there is a fuel mod but yea, they should get rid of GFWL, it is just a pain.
     
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    Be nice if running higher textures in the game was easier, and didn't require huge cards, the textures in the game at medium still aren't the greatest.
     
  23. usapatriot

    usapatriot Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I'd like a less buggy game and less demanding game for what's it's worth. It's no Crysis.
     
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    How about less repetitive tasks such as driving people around? I found that the first island was soo boring, and unneeded.
     
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    So if GTA V will be released in 2010, I guess the people with 'normal' budgets (1000-1500€ ;) would have to wait till 2012 to buy a laptop that could play it without lag?
     
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    As i said before, i think it will be more like Windows 7, not a drastic change in architecture, just a refinement.
     
  27. dune10191

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    I only have a PC so i mean for the PC. That "Definition" toggle is horrible for lower resolutions.

    I agree with the fuel idea. I've thought of that when playing and that would be great.

    I think there should be also more damage in other situations than getting hit for more realism. Like running to long, staying in water too long and other things. I mean you only need a $1 burger to get full health. Would like to see him be able to sit too.

    Another thing I'd really like to see are all 4 Seasons. Would be fun speeding on icy roads. Think of the accidents lol!
     
  28. paper_wastage

    paper_wastage Beat this 7x7x7 Cube

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    well, i decided to build my desktop (light gaming with a 4670 card... seeing that i already got a spare mATX case, HDD, spare 400W PSU and a 22" monitor currently hooked up to my laptop made the choice easy.... a simple $250 budget for CPU, mobo, RAM and GPU)

    and that my GTA IV progress on Steam has been paused because playing at 570x320 sucks :)
     
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    usapatriot Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Buy a gaming laptop now and expecting to play bleeding edge games 6-months to 1-year or more down the road is not a good idea.

    You want longevity and true upgradability? Build a desktop.
     
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    Parachutes without needing to buy an expansion? I would enjoy that
     
  31. thinkpad knows best

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    They've gotten pretty greedy lately Rockstar has, if anything to reduce costs of producing another groundbreaking but piece of game, they should make the newest one based in the UK, where the design headquarters are based. For the record, IMO, there is still a serious memory leak if you need about 4GB RAM and maxed out page file to play it smoothly...
     
  32. Kocane

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    2010? I can assure you that it WILL be delayed.
     
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    +1, at least 1 year delayed, if not more...much more
     
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    Are you on drugs? GTA:Vice City was by far the best GTA, it was amazing from the music to the things people would say to you as you walked down the street. Its the only GTA I felt the need to 100% complete and by that I mean collecting everything.

    I would love another GTA:Vice City!
     
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    GTA: VC with a refined Euphoria engine with Endorphin transitions would be so awesome, i think pretty much one of the only reasons i love GTA IV despite it being a let down and one of the most finnicky games i've had to deal with, is the fun to play with physics. I started to hate static animations right from GTA:VC, and car physics weren't really that great in VC, but VC with 2008/2009 bloom, HDR, AA, and all the other bells and whistles that modern games have, will look so awesome.
     
  36. ettornio

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    I think for the next GTA, R* needs to hire some of these modders who are running wild with GTA 4 scripting. I saw a mod for police pursuits. Real police work, instead of you're sort of a cop who can also get in trouble with the cops. Lame.

    Totally agree with playing around with the Euphoria physics engine = funny. You never really know just how far you can make someone fly by hitting them with your car.
     
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    Yeah, i find the AI in GTA 4 for 2008 is pretty lacklustre, like if i sit just below a guardrail where there's a cliff, and cops are after me, i can sit there and cops will jump over the guardrail and fall to their death, i think i killed 20 cops that way.
     
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    Well if you dont want that to happen then dont do it.. For people like me who thinks its hilarious to mess around with AI and that a completely realistic one would be boring (It would be cops hiding behind policecars) its ok that the AI is dumb just not annoying and bugging.
     
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    I want some of rockstars old humor back into the game, GTA IV was far to serious IMO, Vice City and San Andreas were very funny.
     
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    I'd like to say that one feature I would like for the next PC iteration of the game is an internal modification manager. It should be very clear to Rockstar by now that their GTA series is highly fun to tinker with and modify. It's a royal pain to have to back up files and such. Plus, an internal management system would be able to undo all modifications if the player wants to play online suddenly. I think that would be great.
     
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    I think it is funny too, it's very funny actually, but cops are pretty easy to fend off.
     
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    Better CPU and GPU optimization for sure, as well as allowing the user to tweak graphics to there hearts content, whether it's over the VRAM limit or not. I'm running 4 GB DDR3, Phenom x4 and a 5850 1 GB on my desktop and it runs quite nicely at 1920 x 1080 for me with maxed settings, up to a draw distance of 41 before I "run out of VRAM", but I still get some stuttering at times. People I think forget that the PC version does allow for a much more populated world than the console versions in your given area, so naturally the CPU power needs will be quite higher than the console counterparts in order to get good framerate. While the basic game is the same, in many respects the PC version at it's zenith really is a cut above the console versions in regards to the CPU needs, and in terms of graphics, it's really nice to have the better draw distance, much higher shadow resolutions, better texture filtering, much higher screen resolutions, not to mention the better potential LOD settings. It's not as simple as we tend to think like other multiplatform games. I think the PC version is quite fine, but does need to be better catered to computers that are around the system requirements of GTA4.