GTX 460M VS AMD Radeon HD 5870 ?

GTX 460M VS AMD Radeon HD 5870.
Which card do you think better ?
why now almost laptop use GTX 460M. Before 5870 better but it with DirectX 9 & 10. Now the game support DirectX 11, so 5870 still good.
I also saw 5870 no longer use for new laptop.
now I see 5870 also support 3D(MSI GX740). Which card better for games and design graphic ?
please give me your answer

 

5870M is better, no doubt, it's about 10-15% faster than a 460M depending on the games.

 

IMO, 5870m runs faster, GTX 460m runs cooler.

 

No, says my GX660 haha.

But anyway, they are really close to each other in performance, and both overclock well. They are great cards, so whichever you choose, it will do fine.

I don't know why there are not many HD5870m/HD6870m notebooks, but 560m is easier to find now, and practically identical in performance to an Hd5870m so you can go with that.

I prefer my AMD solutions for graphics for this current gen. Sadly I am too poor to upgrade to the 6970m. Still, my O/Cd HD5870m is keeping me on the game, still playing everything I throw at it easily

 

Ignoring the useless things such as Physx the only clear difference is the drivers between the power/performance between the 460M vs 5870M. It is difficult to compare things such as bus width clocks etc because the entire architecture is different. But the results have shown the 5870M wins hands down.

I am very glad I got my 5870M because it has provided some fantastic results and shows its worth in 3DMark11 as well over the 460M Dx11.

But the drivers are what let down the ATI and if the drivers worked as well as the Nvidia ones the 5870M would smash it to pieces.

I have seen so many of these discussions closed because they normally end up becoming a question of opinion to which company you use against what the real performance difference is from someone testing both cards. I came from 8700M GT's in SLI so my opinion is going to be biased as you can imagine if I had the 8800M GTX's things may have been different.

At its release the 5870M was high end and the best mobile card of its time and 18 months later is still pushing boundaries for mobile GPU benchamrks against the 460M release which was mid range and less powerful than a card released 10 months before it. The 560M should have been the card to complete with it and will be now.

 

What was the problem with the drivers?

 

There is no real problem the drivers work fine but its commonly known that Nvidia drivers perform better than ATI. You only have to look at OPENGL.

 

Is there a test for drivers? I mean, for a long time it has been said that but so far I fail to understand where this issue with the drivers 'quality' comes or is aimed at. For example: is this an issue with games or synthetic benchmarks?

 

Basically it's a stereotype from 10 years ago.

 

thats why i cant use autofanspeed setting on my desktop hd5870 right. because ati drivers are just that good. atleast the newest display drivers dont crash randomly like the previous ones.

back on topic the 5870m is faster than the 460m

 

Well, fanbois aside the truth is the 5870m is faster... by a nose-hair.

Assuming current drivers, latest revision of 460m and everyone is OC'd, its a close call and the 460m may even pull ahead in some titles.

The two are essentially even.

Again, fanbois aside, Nvidia drivers are usually more stable than their AMD counterparts... especially when a card first ships. Note both the 460m and 5870 are not new cards.

I use both AMD and nvidia cards. (desktop has AMD right now, laptop nvidia)
Nvidia drivers tend to be more stable and mature faster.

 

I don't know about the drivers, but I have never really had an issue with ATi. Hell, 11.6 drivers are the best thing I have used so far, with a noticeable performance bump across the board, and it is something I rarely experienced with nVidia.

I think both are in the same league. I just don't see any advantage driverwise to any, and I have used both nvidia and ati cards. I fail to see the problem.

 

ATI drivers do have issues its not a stereotype its pretty clear because the 5870M should be better than it is with the power it can throw out. Although the latest are much better than they were before and crashes and screens of death have been fixed but at release 5870M suffered.

Comparing desktops drivers to notebook drivers means nothing.

 

5870M is faster by a good amount; I had both cards. The GTX 460M is closer to the 5850M. The real comparison should be the GTX 560M vs the 5870M as they're closer in performance.

 

It runs exactly like a desktop 5770, which is what is becomes, after a slight overclock.

It's unreasonable to expect anything more.

 

Only the Asus HD5870m suffered from the overheating/crashes/GSoD/BSoD.

And as Kevin said, it is unreasonable to expect performance higher than an Hd5770 from the desktop side, at all.

It has amazing performance and I don't know what exactly you mean with "should be better than it is with the power it can throw out".

 

I still stand by this

 

I disagree!

http://oi53.tinypic.com/5wjbbc.jpg

 

Those are pretty nice temps.

 

It has nothing to do with the Storm SF-19 sitting underneith it with a built in Air Conditioner and modified case ''cough'' ''cough''.

Blooming XM run's hotter than the GPU under a GPU stress test as well not really prooving much of a point am I hahaha!

 

I've always wondered what #s' of frame rates in those popular first person shooters like say Crysis and Crysis 2 on same resolution for both the 460M and 5870M produce. Also how about The Witcher 2 frame rates in 1080p ultra-ish setting.

I don't play FPS games so I can only share TW2 screenshots in ultra-ish, minus uber sampling, AA, SSAO, bloom ...

It's nice to see screenshots with fraps, (real life comparison) in an OC'ed setting for both cards on those 3 games.

 

That is why I asked, me too I've never had those horrible unstability issues people always talk when talking about Nvidia vs Ati drivers (note my signature, I have both brands of GPUs and I have no issues with them).

 

its not just about driver instability, its also about what the control panel allows you to adjust. for example in the nvidia control panel you can set so older games dont stretch and have black bars on the side instead, in ati ccc there is no such option. there many more of these.

but driver issues aside ati has made many great gpus. and their performance/dollar in the mobile sector is much better than nvidia atm.

 

yes I agree that the catalyst should have more options, its just too limited atm

 

Yes there is that option, because I play at 1600x900 with blackbars surrounding me.

I will give you that their settings/control panel is quite segmented. Other than that, I haven't found any other difference except in how you manage game profiles which is far easier with nvidia.

 

Only thing better than one 5870 is two.

I don't get the whole driver thing either ATI drivers have been pretty solid lately, and almost all mobile GPU's could be more efficient with better drivers in both Red and Green flavors.

 

the driver thing is something that aroused several years ago and caused much joy to nvidia, I cant even remember when the drivers where bad. Its much like when the AMD developed the whole it heats too much image, I think it was in the K6 arch that AMD processors lacked the thermal sensors and could meltdown, well it doesnt matter much, the thing that matters is that its a meme that gets said over and over again, and in the end it becomes the truth

 

So it seems the difference in driver comes down to some very specific (un)friendly customizations. Not bad at all, much better than the 'ATI drivers are bad' kind of motto.

 

ive used almost everysingle generation topend desktop gpus since the 9800xt series and probably 70% ati and 30% nvidia. i generally buy whatever has the best performance.

ive had random ati driver issues since x850xt to hd5870, such as display driver crashing result in 5-10s of blackscreen, fans not auto adjusting to temp causing hard lock ups (only affect my 4870 and 5870), fans that goes at 100% speed for no reason at all, driver causing my monitor to blink once a while (most annoying one ever crossfire x1900xtx)

while with nvidia drivers i only had one problem (8800gtx) the driver would auto enable triple buffering and it made all my games freeze every min or so, didnt know what was wrong till later when it became a known problem.

if you havnt had a problem great, but problems do exist and its a known fact with the desktop hardware community that nvidia driver quality > ati.

 

thats really not the perception at all in the desktop, several people also have some kind of problem with nvidia drivers, its just a matter of one googling to find out.

 

ive used the following ati/amd gpus: 9600xt 9800xt x800xtpe x850xt x1900xtx(cf) hd 4870 hd 5870(cf).

and these nvidia ones: 6600gt 6800gt 7800gtx 7900gs 8800gtx 8800gt

clearly i am very biased in my review of drivers right? most people who update gpus often and use both brands knows the difference between the quality of drivers.

atleast the lastest ati drivers stopped my random display driver crashing issue with my 5870

 

it also doesnt matter, you extrapolate your experience to make it fit in a consensus, which cant be achieved by that, its a simple matter of statistics.

 

^^ very true, This whole driver thing is getting old BOTH companies need to make better drivers to use their products more efficiently.

 

visit hardware forums like xs and hard and you see how many more ppl have problem with ati driver than nvidia.

so my personal experience < your non existing one? and ive had across 4 generation of cards having various problems that clearly means ati is doing a superb job on drivers?

 

You are making assumptions here. How do you know none of us have had no experience with both? I used to own several Nvidia products and ATI products and honestly not that many drivers issues on either side, but could be more efficient. You have had your experience I have had mine. Mine says that Drivers on both sides could be more efficient, while you choose to say one is better than the other. Does that make your experience more valid than mine? I think not. This has gone way off topic as the OP wants to know which is better and the 5870 wins here driver issues(which there are none could be more efficient though) or not.

 

because people who dont discriminate and ACTUALLY used many different gpus are bound to run into issues.

 

Considering that I use pcs since DOS, Im bound to have passed even by S3 gfx... have had many of each company including several agp ones. I have friends that are die hard fans of nvidia, and those have actually started buying amd gpus, but does that prove anything? no.

stop assuming. both have issues, one latest example is how bad shogun 2 used to run on nvidia hardware, now its running fine, its a matter of churning along drivers on the road to fix the issues that the latter update aroused, and so forth

 

Depending on the vendor, the issues might be completely issolated. For example, the first Asus G51 notebooks with the 260m GTX had a severe driver issue with the desktop crashing constantly. Did other users of 260m gtx experience this constant crashing? I know I didn't

Same with several GPUs, different vendors etc. I have had several desktop GPUs as well, and even today I still have an older setup with an HD4850. It runs hot as hell because it was badly designed, but the drivers allow me to manually set the speed which helps this case. In this particular case, temps were badly adjusted and let the GPU get way too hot before kicking the fan in. In the case of nvidia there was this one driver set that caused overheating, around where the time of launch of SC2.

I always keep my drivers up to day with any machine I get, and I have rarely experienced driver issues on either nvidia or ATi. Since I have used more Nvidia than ATi, I actually have had more issues with nvidia, but that's only due to the frequency of use. Some issues are even more severe like the old 9000 series from nvidia that locked your clockspeeds in 2D mode when gaming and you had to reboot your machine to get them back up. I never got it fixed 100% but I got rid of that machine (9500m GS). Such random downclocking.

Despite any erros, I generally find the drivers great from both vendors, specially the latest ones. These problems are not constant on anyside, and lately I haven't found any game related problems.

 

You have contradicted yourself as you have been discriminating and Mr. MM and I have not. I said they BOTH could do better while you are adamant that Nvidia trumps ATI/AMD on the drivers.

 

Another thing, Im not defending either company, both have issues as I said, what Im saying is that there isnt a real justification for the bad drivers reputation anymore, revert and be done or upgrade and be done.