GTX 460m vs ATI Radeon 5870

While I agree that Nvidia has had the chance to optimize the driver for the GF104 GPU's for some time, they are definitely not done optimizing it. Like I said earlier...why would they release newer drivers if they were already fully optimized? Yes they release new drivers to support newer games more efficiently, but they also have a overall performance increase (usually). Sometimes it's significant (possibly 5-10% overall increase) sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's actually worse overall. BUT....drivers do make a difference....period.

 

ruckus what do you have for a cpu.

 

Hello All!

I just purchased the G73JW-A1, and this is my first laptop. I have read a TON about them, and there is a lot of talk about the comparison between the two video cards. I don't want to get too much into that. My question is: can you overclock laptop GPUs? I know heat is an issue for laptops, so its generally not a good idea, but if (1) the JW runs cooler in general and (2) the 460m runs cooler and (3) you can OC it, then (4) maybe it could be OCed to perform as good or better than the 5870?

I hope this does not start a flame war... just curious.

 

pretty sure you can OC both cards but so far I've only seen nice results from 5870 stable OCs.

For example I've got mine OC'ed at 840/1090 @1.05 V which I use as my normal gameplay and it's stable at that with a 9099GPU score in Vantage. Other 460M users have said they may get 9k range using only temporary benchmark OCs.

 

Sure you can overclock if your temps are good. However, generally, the 460m does not run cooler, only in the specific, out of the box G73JH and just for users that did not get or did a repaste job.

Both GPUs can be O/C'd and I quite frankly suggest you do to enjoy better performance specially if you have great temps like mine.

Depending on your memory bandwidth you can have smooth framerate up to your native res. I have found that the stock 60GB/s of my HD5870 allow great performance up to 1600x900 but in 1920x1080, while playable, the performance takes a big hit.

 

Doesn't the display look blurry or kinda off when you're not in the native res? I know that when I played games not in native res on my LCD monitor, it looks blurry.

 

Yup...

That's why I prefer 1366x768, 1600x900 or at most 1680x1050 for gaming laptops.

1920x1080 is too much for a single GPU and scaling down the resolution results in a blurry image.

 

Yeah I agree. SLI or Crossfire set-ups might be good at high res but even my 5870 struggles at 1920x1080 when I tried it.

 

ssoooo... everyone who has a laptop with a 1080p native res screen (like G73JH/W) has to play games in a lower resolution which makes the game all blurry? That SUCKS!

 

In light of this, Best Buy's version of the G73JH (1600x900) suddenly seems a little more tempting.

 

They don't have to but if they want better frame rates they will.

 

1600x900 is a perfect res for the 5870

 

Well, when I play at home I do so on my HDTV and it gets upscaled from 1600x900 so the blurriness is really no problem haha.

You CAN play in 1920x1080, but not at optimum performance. For example, in Metro 2033, I get around 30fps with dips on 20s so its not that smooth, but notching down the res to 1600x900 I get a huge performance boost to 45fps average, with the lowest fps being on the 30s and as high as 70fps.

Its just the memory bandwidth needed for the res. The stock 60GB/s can only go so far.

 

That's why I play in windowed mode in my games @ 1600x900 except for MW2 which I can max out easily.
I would suggest it to most people, because you get the clarity of 1080p in everyday situations, while getting the gaming performance w/ a slightly smaller window, which i think isn't much of a drawback.

P.S. I don't really notice too much blurriness. But then again, I used to game @ 600p on a 1080p monitor. xP

 

Ive GOT to point out i played sc2 entirely through with my acer 5732z and intel 4500hd graphics. It ran great. low settings 1300 x 768.

Runs great on intel integrated graphics dont believe anything that tells you otherwise.

 

It does NOT run great on Intel Integrated GMA 4500MHD!!

On my m11xR1, it barely was able to cut it, even with an OC'd CPU.
Same case with my m11xR2 (though the R2 actually has the lowest clocked GMA HD of the entire lineup...)

It ran, allright, but once I got more than ~20 units, and a few buildings, the whole thing starts with little bits ot stutter (latency?). It doesn't get any worse, but it's really, really annoying for me

1v1 on Lost temple (since I loved that map back then...)

That being said, the GMA 4500MHD basically punched my old GMA 950's face in, lol

 

I played the campaign through entirely

It had problems with the cut scenes definitely but never once during the campaign.

In large multi player games I can believe it I just want to say i played it through entirely and didnt notice it slow EVER

 

hmm.....what CPU did you have? That might of been the key difference. I had a 1.6(1.7?) GHZ Core 2 Duo in mine...

My R2 does allright, once I use ThrottleStop, so I assume the CPU is critical when the Intel GMA IGPs...?

 

Now I feel double sad for having a really bad CPU...

The protoss chrystal missions were fun to play

Though I barely made the mission requirements on Normal mode

 

I played SC2 through on my SU2300 / GMA4500HD.
Cut scenes were choppy. Gameplay was ALMOST smooth.

Playing it on my g73, it's on high/ultra, FHD no problems.

 

I've played SC2 1v1 skirmishes on my netbook SU4100 with 4500MHD at 1280x720 and with everything absolute lowest possible or "off" it squeezes out 15-18 fps but definitely dips to 10-12 during heavy action. I wouldn't even try anything more than 1v1 and the campaign I wouldn't touch, although I might give it a try just to see how it fares.

 

i want to buy one of those cards....pls help me which one???

 

ATI 5870M FTW!

Panther214

 

I'm having a major problem here I think. I just did a 3dmark 06 test and the score came out to be 7000 on my 460m GTX, this is a brand new toshiba qosmio laptop less than 2 weeks old. I was wondering why i was having problem playing black ops... ?! Is it suppose to be this low? i thought it was suppose to be at 11500-12000.... i did at the 1280x768 resolution not the usual 1280x1028 cause it doesn't support it.

 

Are you running it on battery? What is your CPU?

 

I'm guessing that because i5 chipset on 893 Qosmios

 

It doesn't support Optimus, so the Intel HD isn't causing it (not that an Intel HD could ever get that score in the first place).

 

Sorry, must be a Qosmio problem then. The i5 chips seem to switch to an "integrated graphics" type mode when on battery.

Thus, playing on battery not possible on the Qosmio i5 chip models

 

Again, it has nothing to do with the integrated graphics (which the Qosmio's chipset or BIOS does not support) or the i5; it's simply the GTX 460M underclocking itself on battery to save power. This happens on many laptops, including some with i7s.

 

sorry wrong thread reply.

 

Thx for heads up. Didn't know that

 

No i am 100% charged and connected to wall via charger... I'll get some GPU stat to show you guys I don't understand why its so low... My old 260m GTX was hitting around this number if i remember correct, and obviously my games don't play as fast as I would like em to do esp black ops, and the 893 is i5 not i7 but still 7000 on factory drivers?

here are the specs according to the cpuz+gpuz




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should i RMA to amazon? I have like 2 more weeks left before the guaranteed 30day exchange on amazon.

 

Try updating your DirectX.

 

my directx is 11 nothing to update.

City Pig can u tell me what ur 3dmark 06 score is if u have it installed? or if anyone else has it installed and have a system similar to mine doesn't have to be 460m

 

Run Vantage or 3DMark 11 instead. 3DMark06 atm is more of CPU benchmark than a GPU. Your Vantage GPU score should be aruond 8000 or little under if you didn't overclock. 3DMark 11 somewhere around 1800-1900.

 

I know you're running 11, but updates to fix bugs or for compatibility are released all the time. When I first tried to use 3DMark 11, my score was half of what it should have been. I then tried installing a new game, and after that my score went into the normal range. When I installed the game, it installed a patch to DirectX, which seemed to fix the problem.

Also, yeah, try 3DMark 11.

 

5870m all the way, the price on alienware in the uk for the 460m is horrible. it's the equivalent of $250 more.

 

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