GTX 560 Ti Vs 7970m

the 560 ti is what my desktop currently has in it. i'm going to be getting a malibal machine with a 7970m in it. which one is better?

 

stock, the 7970m is slightly faster...overclocked, you are looking somewhere between a gtx 570 - 580 in performance (depends on how high you pump the overclock)

 

hm, well i just found this http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html... seems like its a good bit more powerful than the 560 ti... or are these just synthetic scores?


EDIT: sorry forgot to put the link in there lol...

 

both game and synthetic. from what ive seen any games with tesselation the 7970m runs circles around the 560ti even at stock settings

 

An OCed 580m past 800mhz gives same performance as a desktop 560ti (almost).
Which turns into a 3dmark11 score about p5000.
Since 7970m does 5800 at stock (and not even using desktop CPUs that boost the score a bit) there's not even a match.
7970m is directly in competition with gtx570/580.
Having had both cards in desktop (560ti and 570) the difference is quite remarkable in games.
560ti is a great card but even with OC past 900mhz it's bottlenecks by his own specs.

 

Yup, like others said, it is really good. You will see a noticeable difference in games if you connect that Malibal to your desktop's screen.

 

It is true that the 7970m is faster than a stock-clocked desktop 560Ti in raw GPU power, but let's beware of giving someone unfair expectations.

A desktop 560Ti is often paired with a 4+GHz desktop i5 or i7. In addition, many Desktop 560Ti's come stock overclocked to near desktop stock 570 speeds and have room for even more overclock by nature of being desktop cards. (a lot more heat and voltage headroom to play with)

A laptop 7970m would likely be paired with a mobile i7 3610qm at 2.3-3.3GHz.
There most certainly will be applications where an overclocked desktop 560ti with a CPU clocked at over 1GHz faster will outrun a stock or even moderately overclocked 7970m with a stock-clocked 3610qm.

I am not arguing the power of the 7970m as it is quite an impressive GPU. I am simply grounding the answer in the differences between laptop and desktop hardware.

 

That is true. It might not be that much. If OP will be so kind as to post some numbers when he gets his laptop, it would make for a very interesting read.

 

560ti numbers aren't on par with 7970m.
I had the card for a year constantly OCed at 1 ghz paired with an i5-2500, and I can say for sure that in Dirt 3, Bf3 and Witcher 2 wasn't getting near the performance of the 7970m.
Dirt 3 was doing 55fps of average at ultra maxed out, and Bf3 a ultra was getting around 34fps of average.

 

I have two desktop computers: one with a single stock OC 560ti, second with dual sli 560ti. Both paired with an i5-2500k clocked at 4.3ghz

i also have a Clevo P150EM with a 7970m.

Short answer: 7970m owns a single stock OC 560ti. End of story.

 

Yep also the 3610qm beats a i5 2500k on stock clocks.

A 3720qm gets very close to a i7 2600k stock score.

7970m stock is at the level of the stock gtx 570.

 

my son's computer is my older i7 920 @ 3.9ghz with a gtx 570 and I can definitely say that my laptop matches or bests this desktop. My son can't believe how powerful this little laptop is ... 28nm has been a godsend

This generation of Ivy mobile cpus should be even faster as I have a sandy in my laptop

 

Oh come now... Ivy bridge is 2-5% faster on average than similarly-clocked Sandy-Bridge. (google it... ivy bridge is more of an efficiency bump than a speed per clock bump)

A mobile Ivy bridge at 2.3GHz (running four cores) or 3.3Ghz (running two cores) cannot touch a desktop Sandy Bridge at 4.3GHz (running all four cores). Desktop processors have a lot more leeway in terms of heat and usually have many more overclocking options and control.

The 7970m most certainly is more powerful than a stock 560Ti... but almost nobody runs a 560Ti at stock in a desktop people. Most of the later-revision 560Ti's run OC'd from the factory at around stock 570 speeds and are easily pushed faster than even that.

I will not claim the 560Ti is more powerful than a 7970m... but I will tell you that the difference between a tweaked desktop 560Ti and a stock 7970m is nowhere near as large as some of you are implying.

In games that use the CPU more, the staggering difference in processor clocks (1GHz+) might very well give the desktop the advantage.

Again, this is only to bring a reality check into the equation.

 

I'm actually leaving my desktop behind, or maybe even selling it. 24" samsung 1920x1200... Maybe if i have no luck on craigslist i'll throw it on here.

I will post a detailed review about it once i get it. But i have never benchamrked or know anything about them numbers you guys look at constantly. I'm not an overclocker either, can you believe i had my 560 ti at stock settings forever? cpu too! (phenom x4 II 955 @ 3.2 Ghz)

 

Kernal go see the cpu scores of the MOBILE ivy i7 versions compared to the sandy desktop cpus...

I am not talking about overclock scores,only normal turbo boost.

Now if you want to pick the 560 ti 448 cores that is super close to the gtx 570 then yea...
So basically:

7970m stock=7850=570=560ti448 ( all stock models)
This is am approxiation but they are all close to each other.

Now i don't know how they overclock in comparison.


Best Graphics Cards July - 2012

7970m is there. The ranking is an average.

Edit: Could someone post average max overclock scores of these models ?

I know 7970m seems to be 6800 on 3d mark 11

 

All I know is my 680m is ~ twice the speed of my desktop GTX 460 and CPU at least 50% more powerful than my desktop SB i5. Pretty freaking incredible.

 

Which benchmark are you looking at? Are you seriously arguing that a i7 3610qm at 2.3GHz (4 cores) or 3.3GHz (2 cores) is touching an i5-2500k running at 4.3GHz (all four cores)??

Please go to any benchmark site you want... there is NO WAY you will find evidence the ivy bridge is that much better than sandy bridge to overcome a 30+% clock speed difference. (assuming the application only uses 2 cores and the ivy bridge 3610m is running at 3.3GHz)

No, I am telling you that factory OC'd standard 560Ti's can and do approach 570s due to the sheer clocks they are reaching.

The whole point is to reduce the sensationalism.

It would completely suck for someone new to mobile gpus to hear "oh the 7970m is insanely better than the 560ti", and then watch his shiny-new 7970m-equipped 3610qm-equipped laptop shown-up or barely outperform his desktop in GTA.

 

just an fyi, my 7970m is always overclocked and beats a stock gtx 570 in just about everything

just a correction kernal:

3610qm runs:
3300 MHz (1 core)
3200 MHz (2 cores)
3100 MHz (3 or 4 cores)

the 2500k isn't a really a good compare because it runs 4 threads vs 8 threads in the 3610

BUT if we were to compare an IVY 3610 8threads @ 3.1ghz VS a 2600k 8threads @ 4ghz, obviously the 2600k wins in computational tasks. There is no argument about that

I talking purely a gaming experience where your bottleneck is usually in the gpu, my laptop with 2820 sandy and OC'ed 7970m runs higher benches than my i7 920@ 3.9ghz and stock gtx 570

desktop system as described= 5400-5500 3dmark11's
my OC'ed laptop = ~6800 3dmark11's

If I overclock the gtx 570 @ near gtx 580 performance = 6200-6300

 

So everyone agrees that a 7970m beats a gtx 560 ti then?
And slick your awesome : D enough said

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thnx

a typical stock gtx 560ti (non 448) with a typically seen 3.6 to 4ghz CPU overclock scores:
~4000 in 3dmark11

a typical laptop with Ivy bridge 3610 and stock 7970m scores:
5700-5800 in 3dmark11

just looking at the numbers, these cards aren't really comparable

 

Yup that's what I said from the beginning.
I had the 560ti and enjoyed it a lot, but it hit a wall even with extreme OC.
That's the tech specs of the card which aren't on par with desktop 570 even if you push it insanely high.

 

OK here is my point:

Synthetic Performance

Intel Core i7-3720QM: Mobile Ivy Bridge Review > Synthetic Performance - TechSpot Reviews

The i7-3720QM rendered an average of 9.67fps in SolidWorks, 2% faster than the FX-6100 and 9% faster than the i7-2600K. Meanwhile, it was just 7% slower than the i7-3770K, which is impressive given that it's clocked 25% lower.

The i7-3720QM averaged 14.49fps in Maya, which was roughly as fast as the Core i7-3820 and just 7% slower than the i7-3770K.

The CINEBENCH R11.5 CPU benchmark saw the i7-3720QM provide the same results as the i7-2600K despite being clocked 24% lower, and it was only 15% behind the i7-3770K.

WinRAR's built-in benchmark shows that the i7-3720QM has very strong multithreaded performance as it delivered 3408kb/s -- faster than the i5-2500K and FX-8150
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Application Performance

Intel Core i7-3720QM: Mobile Ivy Bridge Review > Application Performance - TechSpot Reviews


The i7-3720QM took 6.27 seconds to complete the Excel workload, 35% slower than the i7-3770K and i7-2600K, yet comparable to the i7-920 and i5-2500K

The i7-3720QM took 120 seconds to complete the 700MB custom WinRAR workload, which is basically on par with the i7-920 and 12% faster than the AMD FX-8150

The i7-3720QM was disappointingly slow in the Adobe Photoshop CS5 benchmark, taking 30.1 seconds to complete the radial blur test. Although this was better than the AMD FX-6100 and Phenom II X6 1100T, it pushed the i7-3720QM 57% behind the i7-3770K.

The mobile chip regained its balance in Fritz Chess 13, coming in at just 4% slower than the i7-2600K and 13% slower than the i7-3770K.
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Encoding Performance

Intel Core i7-3720QM: Mobile Ivy Bridge Review > Synthetic Performance - TechSpot Reviews

The i7-3720QM averaged 107.7fps in HandBrake, 10% and 22% slower than the i7-2600K and i7-3770K desktop processors. For a modestly clocked mobile chip, it's remarkable that the i7-3720QM is slightly faster than the i7-975 Extreme Edition, a three-year-old flagship desktop processor that once sold for $1,000.

The i7-3720QM averaged 134.9fps in x264 HD Benchmark's second pass test, 9% faster than the Phenom II X6 1100T and about equal to the FX-8150. Compared to other Intel processors, the i7-3720QM was 7% slower than the i7-2600K and 21% slower than the i7-3770K.

When running our AVI to MPG conversion test in TMPGEnc 4.0 Xpress, the i7-3720QM took 6 minutes and 59 seconds, 12% slower than the i7-2600K and 24% slower than the i7-3770K, yet 7% faster than AMD's flagship FX-8150.

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In the end the 3720qm is faster then the i5 2500k .

And about 10%-15% slower then i7 2600k.

See links for graphs.

 

QFT

Plus a top end mobile GPU is more likely to be paired with a top end QM CPU, like the 3820QM/3920XM, which both run at 4Ghz easy.

 

I wish I had the money for a 3920XM haha as I do a lot of CPU intesive work sometimes

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An i7 3610qm is very powerful more powerful then most first gen i7 oc'd to 4ghz on 45nm tech. Secondly 7970m has a lot of headroom as well to get at least another 1000 3dmark11. Finally you could have 2 of these 7970m laptops and consume less power then an i7 lets say 45nm version at 4ghz and a 560ti.

Even laptops on outlets are very cheap quickly. You can also get desktops cheap on the dell outlet as well.

Overall laptops these days due to portability and great battery life and wireless internet, and high performance and slimness and very low weight laptops these days are the most desirable even for hardcore gamers.

 

Imo a 3720qm is the sweetspot for high end users as it virtually has all the features of the higher models but most importantly is a lot cheaper and performance is like 5% difference at stock.

 

But can't the 3720QM only be overclocked 100Mhz faster

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None of them can be overclocked except for the XM models. With Throttlestop now you should be able to run at max Turbo without throttle however.

 

3720qm and 3820qm are able to be overclocked by 400mhz more than turbo boost.

3610 qm is not.

 

The 3720QM and 3820QM have the multiplyer unlocked in the BIOS but its restrictioned to go only do much higher

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This is correct. 400mhz can be added to these chips except for the 3610.

3720 = 40,39,38,38 (4ghz 1 core, 3.9ghz 2 cores, 3.8ghz 3-4 cores in use)
3820 = 41,40,39,39

 

Just joined the NBR forums, and this is my first post. I recently purchased a Sager NP9150 (i7-3610qm & 7970M), and I have to say it's very fast. In terms of specifications alone, yes it's quite a bit faster than a GTX 560ti.

HOWEVER, what a lot of people aren't mentioning in this thread is the fact that Enduro significantly bottlenecks the performance of the 7970M card! An example: in Crysis 2, GPU usage never goes above 50-60%. When the card is overclocked to 1025/1400, GPU usage drops further to 45-50%, negating any gains in overclocking.

Even though the 7970M GPU suffers from low GPU utilization, I have to say it still gives a pretty smooth overall experience at high settings in a lot of the games I play (Max Payne 3, Crysis 2, Bulletstorm, BF3 single player, Deus EX HR, COD MW3, etc.). This shows how powerful the card is, but because of the Enduro issue, I don't really think it's truly as powerful as the GTX 570/580 in practice, at least until better drives come along which allow full GPU utilization.

I'm currently using the 12.7 beta drivers, have tried all the various fixes reported in the forums, and NOTHING fixes the Enduro problem thus far. I think you can turn this feature off with Alienware laptops, but the Sager/Clevo laptops are stuck with the Enduro problem. 7970M is very powerful, but please remember that it's somewhat handicapped at the moment.

 

As you said this is a Clevo issue, some users are effected, some not, based on what they say.
On my MSI thanks god I don't have such issues because I don't have an igp I think, and the performance is league above a desktop 560ti.

 

Why couldn't u just wipe the Intel hd 4000 gfx driver off your comp so the 7970 doesn't try and use it? Or will it still try to switch and crash?

 

on clevo EM series, everything runs through the igp and it will crash...or at least that's how it was explained to me.

Lucky for you, you have FN+F7

 

Lol. Amen to the fn + f7 slick. Love my alienware. Now if for the love of god I could get 12.7 beta driver to work is be in 7th heaven. Going to try and display adapter only install over 12.6 and cross fingers.

I do have to say for such a silly problem u would assume there could be a silly ez fix but alas I have heard none. I feel very sry for all clevo owners who experience this.

 

that will work...do a custom install of the 12.7's and select "display driver" only.

If you can't get it to work, i'll help you get the 12.7's on...we may have to do clean install

which 12.7's are you trying to install? the amd official beta's or the modded 7900 beta's

 

I've been trying the official drivers from amds site. And as far as I can tell 12.7 hates me .I'll try it later tonight after work with the custom install and if I have more issues I'm going to hold u to your word slick.

 

my word is golden lol...don't worry, we'll get it working

 

Good news slick. U dony need to take time out of your schedule to teach this tech newb how to get 12.7 working. I got the display only custom install to work over 12.6. Yay. Lol. Getting much smoother results in metro 2033 now. I do appreciate that u r willing to help when a guy needs it and by god I am sure I will be in need again. Haha. Definite +rep.

 

Since no one seems to be getting the point...

Let's use a benchmark.

I am going to pick on you Slick only because you dropped "typical" numbers which really don't seem typical.

An i5 2500k and 560Ti (384cores) assuming both are OC'd gets around 5500-5600. This is a reasonable overclock, not even bumping voltages, not really overly high clocks, only air-cooled, and not extraordinary in any way.
The temps are easily low enough to maintain, and indeed I could still push it farther if I wanted to slowly ramp up voltage.

Here's the proof:
p5586 i5 2500k @ 4.4GHz, GTX560Ti @ 1070/2140/2300
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti video card benchmark result - Intel Core i5-2500K Processor,ASRock Z68 Pro3 score: P5586 3DMarks

Assuming your numbers of 5700-5800 are correct for a stock 3610qm and 7970m, that means that combo in indeed faster than the i5-2500k/560Ti OC... by a whole 2-4%. (in 3dmark11) Let's remind everyone that the laptop we are comparing is almost three times more expensive than the desktop system we are comparing it to.

My warning is simple... there WILL be application where this 2-4% difference will not feel like that much and the laptop processor leashed by its enforced stock clocks and its less-heat-resilient packaging will be outshone by its older desktop brethren.

I do understand the 7970m overclocks.. but the risks are much higher than the desktop and heat is a LOT bigger issue. The comparison I made was to the stock 7970m version, and it is very clear all of you weren't giving the 560Ti enough credit.

I will restate that I completely agree the 7970m is more potent than the desktop 560Ti. I am simply trying to temper the over-enthusiasm down a notch and bring reality back into the conversation. We are still talking about a desktop vs laptop and there are still some differences.

A reminder that I still had LOTS of heat headroom... I could have made that a LOT closer. I just didn't need to.

FYI, with up-to-date drivers, even my 560Ti at stock didn't score much lower than 5k... I don't think anyone here has run a benchmark on a 560Ti for a long time.

 

I just want to point two things:

- since early we weren't talking about price. Anyone knows that a Mid end or high end desktop costs less than a laptop, but you have to take into account that usually we talk about the "case" itself without taking into consideration other obvious things such Monitor, which bump the price quite a lot if you're a serious gamer (at least a good 23"/24" is needed)

- heat discussion is relative with 28nm tech that both 680m and 7970m uses. My MSI that hasn't a good cooling system, not on par with Alienware, reaches at max 75c when I OC the 7970m. At stock it merely hits 71c. If a desktop card has a good fan profile or cooler, I think you could achieve same temperatures. My ex Phantom gtx 570 used to stay into 80s when gaming under BF3 and it was OCed as well. Same goes for my old 560ti.
Temperatures are somewhat under control now.

- last but not last, giving the current power of cards and mobile processors, doesn't matter fig you got a 2500k at 4ghz unless you are an Emulation addicted where higher clocks count. With 1200$ you can get a 7970m equipped laptop and call it a day. It's portable, good screen quality and estate, less heat and noise, less size. Unless we're talking about a Gtx 670/680 desktop system, anything else is just not worth anymore.
I sold my gtx570/2500 @ 4,3 ghz and I don't regret it at all, since my laptop beats it in various ways.

 

Remember, when overclocking a laptop, it is often not the CPU or GPU that are the risky parts, they are just the one's making the most heat.

The CPU and GPU are usually quite tolerant to high temperatures, its the REST of the laptop that is at the most risk because everything is all squished in there.

In a desktop, there is a lot more room for everything and cooling systems are a lot more effective due simply to space.

If I had a 7970m-equipped laptop, I'd replace my desktop too... but I'd also know just how much better it is, and would not be expecting an 1800-point or 45% advantage in 3dmark11 at stock.

My goal was to bring reality to the comparisons as the desktop combo was being woefully underestimated.

 

Your argument:

If you overclock both the 560 ti and the i5 2500k they get close to a stock 7970m and 3610qm by 2%-4%.

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And i would point:

You can easily get the system to 6700pts+ (12.7 drivers) in 3d mark 11 only overclocking the 7970m.(not counting a possible 3720qm OC or 3820qm OC)

Of course the ones really dedicated or with luck are able to get it to 7k pts.


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You say notebooks are not meant to be overclocked because of heat.The overall system will fail.

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I don't agree with you, notebooks can easily be overclocked as long one checks the temps.

The 7970m is comparable to the gtx 570, both in stock and overclocked modes not the gtx 560 ti.

 

Elaborate? The only thing that I can think of that would be affected by heat would be the battery. Everything else should be fine.

 

hahahaha...good for you esca

i think fantabulicius pretty much summed up what i would have posted.

Kernal, pick on me if you wish...i love a good debate . I really don't see the argument here though...

There is link after link after link showing the 5700-5800 stock 7970 score with 3610. All you have to do is take a look at the 7970 benchmark thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...ards/669344-7970m-benchmark-results-only.html

So what you are saying is that an overclocked 2500k with a typical 560ti overclock doesn't even match a stock 3610 and stock 7970m. You're right, i don't get it...i don't get what you are trying to say...and who cares that the gaming laptop costs more...that is a given.

 

As long as we are now admitting that 560Ti desktops aren't in the 4k range in 3dmark11, we seem to be on the same page.

I was never implying you cannot overclock a laptop... I was implying that the process is a lot more picky due to space and heat considerations and that desktop overclocking is both easier and less risky.
Overclocking for ANY computer is about watching heat and side-effects.

We both know this is changing tactics though... before you were arguing the 560ti OC'd wasn't even a comparison for the 7970m stock.

The point is... if the OP runs out and buys a 7970m/3610qm, he isn't going to see the rediculous difference everyone else in the thread was implying. He will only see a real difference if he overclocks his 7970m, and even then, only around 20%.

(and this is assuming he hasn't overvolted his desktop....)

A little reminder... I completely agree the 7970m is a very impressive GPU and that the concept a laptop can now pump out this much performance is amazing.

I just want to avoid unrealistic comparisons... which at this point most everyone else in this thread was indeed making.

 

what you are saying then is that owners of 560ti's and 2500k cpu's don't run stock setups...that they always overclock

if you look at my original post...i was actually comparing against a gtx 570...not 560ti...and i stated that a stock gtx 570 sets about 5400-5500 3dmarks. THis is comparable to an nicely overclocked 560ti as we saw with your post

I put in the stock 560ti to stock 7970m comparison on my next post to just compare

And a stock 560ti (non 448) does indeed score in the 4k range and a stock 7970m with 3610 does indeed score 5800

Example:

i7 @ 3.7ghz, 560ti stock clocks 3dmark11 performance setting = 4057
Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti Review > Test System Specs & 3Dmark 11 - TechSpot Reviews

stock 3610 with stock 7970m performance setting = 5818
AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor,CLEVO P15xEMx score: P5818 3DMarks

stock 3610 with OC'ed 7970m performance setting = 6842
AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor,Alienware M17xR4 score: P6842 3DMarks

 

I only have a ati 5870 , which imo is roughly comparable to 560ti ,
however I think both of u are correct, 7970m is a grt card , and a desktop
system with 560ti+4ghz is also grt , I think warning ppl not to expect
40% + preformance gain of 7970m over 560ti is a fair warning ,

Saying that, with my card (5870+2600k@4ghz) and the current games that I play , racing games, f12012 etc... a few shooters (cod and CS) and zero hour shockwave , my desktop system can "last" me 3yrs or so , imo ,
therefore a laptop with similar to better (10%) preformance (at stock)
can also last me 3yrs or so , I think it would be a good idea to move to the laptop ,
As it happens I'm trying to, but just waiting for some1 to bring me one from u.k or u.s.a ( I live in zimbabwe) lol, and yes we can say its like $1200 extra for the laptop over a similar preformance desktop offering, but if the laptop does me well for 3yrs or so , I'm willing to spend the extra ....

good debate though, I love to see laptop vs desktop in real world games and apps , being compared , there seems to be so little of that ....(dnt knw why?)

 

4k 3dmark11... In January 2011, with a Bloomfield processor and 18-month-old drivers.

Can we all agree that's not a fair comparison or indication of performance one can expect from even THAT system now?

If I used 18-month-old drivers with the 7970m, I sincerely doubt it would do as well as you got on yours. (especially since it likely would not be supported)

Assuming someone's gaming desktop is OC'd really doesn't seem to be that much of a stretch does it? Especially someone who reads this forum?
Especially someone who buys a K-series processor?
/shrug once again, the point was to bring the thread back to reality.

I have little doubt mine could hit 5800-5900 with a little luck and some voltage. If you google it, 5500-5600 or so isn't even a high 3dmark11 for a 560Ti 384 core! I just gave you a taste...