GTX 960M now? Or wait for Pascal 1060M?

Lol that's like heavier than my pc... Jk

 

I never really saw the big deal in carrying around a big machine... I lugged my M17xR1 around with me and that thing is heavy... I still have it... If the performance is important to you then carrying it around shouldn't be a big deal either. If you want something light, purchase a tablet or a surface book and keep the gaming at home.

 

I tried carrying a 2.5kg object (960M laptop weight) and its light, tried with a 3.5kg object (965/970M laptop weight) and its kinda fine, not too heavy.

 

Yup it will be fine.. I've been carrying around 3.5kg laptops for last 6 years and it's honestly fine... Get the Asus, the 970M will be pretty future proof and you can always OC in the Asus with it's good cooling.. Just a bit of a pain to repaste the components though... if ever needed..

 

Do you think that the GTX 1060M will be as powerful as the 970M? Ive noticed a similar pattern over the past several years, the X60M is around the same as the last gen X70M interms of power am I right?

 

That's a reasonable assumption. But this time I think we can assume that the 1060M might fit in somewhere between the 970M and 980M - two reasons, as I've already mentioned:

1. Nvidia skipped one manufacturing node (20 nm), which means a so-called large improvement in efficiency.
2. The 1060M may contain the GP106 chip instead of the GP107, which means larger core/shader/ROP/TMU count, which translates to sheer better performance.

But then again, the 860M could OC to 870M stock levels.

 

Which of the laptops do you guys think have the best keyboard layout? And I've heard that the build quality of the 960M laptop is not that great for an ROG laptop when compared to the 965M and the 970M laptops which are far more superior in build quality.

 

The G751 will have the best build quality and keyboard layout.. I have played with one briefly and it was really well built, with more metal than my G73JH and keyboard was much better than any Clevo one.. Remember the G751JT is the high end in ROG series while the 960M is more like mid range (GL series)..

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I have the ASUS G751. Keyboard layout is really good... except the Steam button.

 

What the hell is this button? Open Steam on your laptop?

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it's like the steam button on some irons!

 

It's a dedicated button that opens Steam in Big Picture mode. It's just right above F1, which is really stupid.

 

I have the same question with OP, but in my case it will be 970m or 1060/1070m. From what i have already known, 1080m is have the same perf with 1070. But the desktop versions of 1060m/1070m havent been released yet. So am I expected to wait longer ? I will probably need a new laptop around September. And if my budget is 1500$ then can I afford (pretty sure I will choose Clevo) laptops with these pascal card ?
Thank you.

 

For 1500 you should be able to get a 1070M version of Clevo laptops..

Save a bit more and a 1080M version should be possible for around 1600-1700..

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Don't get the Asus. Primarily because the customer service for Asus sucks.

 

What do you guys think about this 980M laptop? (Link is down there) Its around $150 more than the 970M with shipping costs. It's really interesting and I dont know if I should invest in it, like is it worth it and is it future proof? And its only around $80 above my max budget so I can cope with it.

980M: https://www.amazon.com/G751JY-17-Inch-Gaming-Laptop-model/dp/B015QZPRW4

that hurt me since I'm gettin an Asus laptop

 

Thank you for your reply !
So now I will hope that I can get my laptop before September when my semester starts. Also hope that 1070m perf will be on par will 980 notebook or more with vr ready.
And I dont think that I can get a 1080m though. Primarily because my maximum budget is 1500$ and when I buy probably the pascal laptops will be overpriced since its just got released. I think 1080m laptops will be around 2k$ and 1070m will be 1k5$ (or even more )

 

Up to you - but be warned. There are better manufacturers out there, namely, Clevo and the various resellers that offer Clevo laptops.

 

I've never really had a Clevo laptop and when I look at some Sager laptops, idk tbh I prefer Asus and Sager laptops' shipping weight is 2 much xD. So do you think their customer service is that necessary? Should I invest the extra money into Sager laptops? I've found some Clevo laptops online tell me watcha think please.

960M: https://www.amazon.com/XOTIC-Sager-Skylake-i7-6700HQ-Computer/dp/B01CF77X0K?th=1&psc=1

965M: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01A...Sager+965m&dpPl=1&dpID=11Apr7yHj9L&ref=plSrch

970M: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01B...r+np8657-s&dpPl=1&dpID=51z+gI4X4IL&ref=plSrch

 

Order from a reseller not Amazon. Like LPC-Digital or XoticPC. Price should be comparable.

 

I've never really ordered from any site other than amazon so I'm not sure if I can trust XoticPC :/

 

You can, and how. They even have representatives here (such as @pat@XOTICPC), as well as several of the other resellers like Eurocom, MythLogic, Sager ( @Meaker@Sager is another representative), and XMG for Europe. All these resellers are extremely well-known in the Clevo/Sager community, provide generally excellent customer service, and are highly trusted. In fact I'd rather purchase directly from the resellers than Amazon when it comes to Clevo/Sager.

There's no reason to worry, really. Their sites may not look as good as what Apple has, but their products are significantly more worth their prices than anything Apple can come up with.

 

Can you use an American PO Box on XoticPC and can I pay with PayPal? And what did you think about the laptops i sent you? Are their specs good?

Edit: Also do you have any opinions with the 980M laptop that I sent a few posts back?

 

Laptop or desktop?

 

i want to get a clevo but the idea of a 1080 or 1070 with g-sync is just too good....unless there's a way to upgrade the GPU later on like MXM 1080s etc.

 

Clevo P870DM-G is a nice way to hedge your bets. 2 x 1080m or a single 1080.

 

If you get the P870DM-G with a single gpu is there an empty secondary gpu slot?

Also, the P775DM-G has the option for a 980 as well and it's $200 AUD less than the P870DM-G.

Is it just SLI being the main difference?

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Why does every thread have to get to the P870DM? That laptop, I swear...

 

... is awesome!

I finished the sentence for you

 

because clevo has the best chance of upgradability for a laptop and with my alienware that's probably not gonna happen.

looking to buy either the P775DM-G or the P870DM-G in july as a b'day gift for moi! just wondering what the average weight is and what the main difference between the two is? I am not fussed about having SLI.

 

Can anyone please tell me their opinion on the 980M laptop I sent several posts back? Which is linked down below as well. Thanks!

980M: https://www.amazon.com/G751JY-17-Inch-Gaming-Laptop-model/dp/B015QZPRW4

 

There were some differences but I am sure I won't remember them all. Some of these may be reseller specific and may not be absolute. If I am mistaken on any of these please feel free to correct or add to the list.

870DM is slightly larger/thicker, possibly has slightly better cooling due to more space
-can also do 980 200w GPU (this is what made my decision)
-can do sli if you want to (I'm not big on SLI either but it is nice to have that option available)
-I was told that only the 870Dm can do the dual power adapters (again not really needed except for extreme overclocking)
-I *think* that you can only get the 4k g-sync in the 870DM, not 100% sure on that though

 

I would not get those desktop GPU models personally.. Their propriety design means a limited market when selling them..

Get the P870DM if affordable, you can always SLI later.. The P775 will be limited to 1 GPU..

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The 980 in the P870DM is the full 200W version plus it has two MXM slots. The P775DM has the 170W (I think it's 170, it might be 175 but it IS cut down from the full version in the P870DM) and it isn't SLI capable. I'd pay more for the P870DM, especially since it is so popular and has Prema partner support. The community has torn the P870DM to shreds and figured out everything about it while I hardly ever hear of the 775.

 

Do you really need Prema if you don't plan on overclocking it?

 

Considering these exact 2 machines right now.

I prefer the style and form factor of the P775DM-G, and don't mind the 165W 980. My only worry (on both models, honestly) is fan noise.

 

Gentlemen - sorry to derail the discussion, but... OP had a question.

 

why are they talking about a laptops looks when the OP had a question about 1060m vs 960m

 

The underlying point is upgrade potential. As much as I would love a 1080m in my alienware there's no doubt that there will be compatibility issues. That means I'll need to ditch the alienware in favour of a clevo based laptop.

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I'm not sure that people looking for a 1060m intend to ever upgrade their laptop. In my experience it's much easier and more pleasant to simply buy a new machine very few years.

 

i have to agree...laptop you buy in a few years may have ddr5 m.2 gen 5 ect higher resoulution screen better gamut ect

 

Lol, it's NBR, mate.
Every thread here ends up as "hate BGA", "get the 980(m)", "Clevo or bust", etc., it's just a matter of time.

 

GTX860M (Maxwell), GTX960M and it's successor... none of them is or will be MXM, so we should forget about making upgrade-ability even a topic in here.

 

so why even bother with the 960m? it just means you're being cheap now, but not thinking long term.

 

i have to agree if i didnt get my laptop for 875 usd after tax i would have got a 980m or if i was broke a 970m

 

No, it means some people are satisfied with mid-range prices and the corresponding performance. Once again, we don't need supercomputer performance. OP was asking specifically for the X60M series, which means he has a certain budget in mind.

There's a very unfortunate "go big or go home" mentality here...

 

I think that is the whole point. The BGA trend does mean shorter term since you lose a possibly upgrade path, you lose a path to repair/replace a broken GPU/CPU/Memory etc, you lose cooling ability and overclocking ability. However you gain a lighter, thinner, and possibly cheaper machine. It's up to the end user to decide what is most important to them.

Some are disappointed with the whole trend of going BGA one component at a time. Someday all gaming laptops may be BGA GPU, CPU, memory, maybe drives next? If you make an informed choice I don't see an issue, but I talk to so many folks who bought a high end gaming machine, and didn't understand the costs of going the route they did. That in addition to very, very few non-BGA laptops being available makes these scary times for enthusiasts who want to upgrade and repair their own machines and keep them for longer periods of time.

 

Not everyone is a hardcore gamer and people dont have the means to spend that much for a high end laptop even for futureproofing. Even we can upgrade a mid range laptop's GPU you're still limited because they aint built to handle the heat from high end GPUs like the 970m, 980m, 980 since most mid range laptops are thin and light.

 

High-end maxwell gpus are pretty efficent, so they aren't hot, but I agree, that most people, don't so much performance.
Hence, they can still rock out in old lappy's from 2011 or so.
960M is a good mainstream card, to play all games at decent level. But I would take 965M/970m, there are some pretty nice rebates with laptops on with it.

 

I've purchased now a Dell laptop with 960M, because I do not like to wait. However I'll buy again a new laptop with 1060M... Actually maybe not, so far it is my best build quality, looking laptop. Ehh, whatever it plays GTAV perfect.