GTX 980M and 970M benchmarks surfaced!!! :D

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The 980M is 50% faster than the 880M and the 970M is faster than the 880M too! Second runner up here is only 20% slower than the 980M. ^-^


I'd like to point out that the 980M is only 10% slower than 780M SLI... O.O

 

A bit late to the party I'm afraid. :\

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...race-yourself-new-maxwell-cards-incoming.html

 

Said thread is huge and sifting through 50+ pages might not be in the best interest of most people?

EDIT:

Sorry, 160+ pages... >_>

 

Why don't we just ask a mod to merge the last few pages of that Maxwell thread with this one?

 

This is some good news. Only 50% faster than 880M is a little disappointing though. 3 years on and they can't do better than beat Kepler by 50%......

 

Obviously you were trying to do a nice thing. So thanks for that.

Personally I tend to find searching through 1 big thread easier in general and better for future reference than sifting through multiple threads on the the same topic.

 

Yeah, there is no purpose of having two threads about the same subject.
I`ll try to update the first post on the big thread that makes it easier to keep up.

 

Wouldn't chance anything. Since some other doods will chance the subject again and somehow will talk about cars or whatever which will again leave your post a few pages behind. If you ask me every big thing has to be made into a different thread. Like when we knew the cards were names 900, then a new thread could have been made. Or even this one. But somehow the big news such as the benchmark releases were posted on the huge thread instead

 

GTX 680 releases barely in 2012, what do you mean 3 years? Mobile kepler is just 2 years old at best haha. 780m is one year old! Chill man

 

GTX 680M 04.06.2012 = 2 years, 3 months, and 5 days old

 

I have updated the first post in the big Maxwell thread with everything we know so far. It should cover everything. I have requested to close this thread.

Pointless to have two threads about the same thing

 

Exactly, 2 years, not 3 haha. and 780m is even newer. All in all, Kepler lasted as desktops slowly introduced full GK110 etc.

 

Well well well... happy to see my 680M being obliterated >.<

 

I hope the gtx 850m or 860m can last a while. Which ever I get that is.

 

Whaaat? thread hijacking? naah, that never happens around here

+1

And moving on, it's always exciting to hear about a new flagship GPU. It always creates excitement and commotion, all start speculating and rummaging the net for latest (or any) info and benchmarks. It's great anticipation. It's like Christmas all over again every time one new GPU comes out, although it may take some times before we will (if ever) get our hands on them -- years sometimes, if the cards one has already perform well.

I'd say that 50% performance increase is quite the leap. Honestly I wasn't expecting more than the usual 15 or 20%, so this can be seen as an achievement if the 980M proves to be that powerful.

 

(Read this in your head in Catbug's voice~)

Perhaps just have the information set up in a new thread with the info from the old ones OP and then delete this and the other one?

I mean... the cards are being fully released on the 18th of this month... so, there's no reason to keep a speculation thread up unless people are gonna talk about the midrange models...which is what I'm stoked for. Screw the top end! That's always been a letdown for me since the runner-up card was only 20% slower anyway in any case.

But I digress. GTX 960M. That's the card to get. You can bet you sweet booty on it.

 

You mean a 160+ page tome filled of various digressions, hijacking, and multiple unrelated topics scattered all over?

I understand the need to avoid redundancy in a board as big as this one, but I'd agree that the new 900m series deserve a separate, smaller (for starter) thread focused on them, where to discuss them specifically, even the mid-range models

Besides, this could be a well narrowed focus thread, which wouldn't create much confusion. No need to fret and argue about the need to have it or delete it either, because such discussion would hijack this thread as well

 

I think we need a new thread once the cards are released and have official word from nVidia and laptop OEM's with some verifiable benchmarks. Until then, this is still speculation and unverifiable.

 

You nailed it right on the head. Which is why the outspoken cynic in me wonders, "what's the point?"

 

I had stopped reading the massive other thread a while back, but this one caught my attention. Thanks OP for the heads up. Excited to seems temps!

 

All threads drift to off topic posts once in a while. There is a limit on how long you can discuss one benchmark like posted in this thread. Its impossible to stick to Firestrike discussion for 20 pages ++.
I have posted ton of other stuff on the other thread that is just as interesting, like notebooks coming, desktop news etc.

Since I have posted summary and everything we know so far in the other thread in one post, this thread is useless.
The other big thread should continue with speculations, then a new thread with official information from Nvidia again when it is presented.

 

I never said that it shouldn't happen or that will never happen, since digressing is human, and we jump from one topic to another during our colloquial daily interactions with others. I also never asked the 160+ thread to be removed, although it's so big and filled with parallel topics that may take one some time before finding needed info - both threads can coexist, in fact, since this is still smaller and be kept focused on the 900m series when we have more tangible info.

 

I don't understand why there's all this fuss is about. We already had a Maxwell discussion thread until a new one was created for content much less interesting than this thread and nobody cared (for the most part). I think a thread dedicated to the 980m/970m is fine.

On topic, I hope MSI releases a GS60 with a 970m soon and hopefully it will be cooler than the 870m... Been waiting since the summer to upgrade.

 

Ah, come on guys, let's stop the blaming game. No need to get upset about forum thread and posts, I mean... really? This is just "happening" on a screen

 

The logic flaw is that

"The Maxwell thread is too long. Lets make a new one because its exhausting to go through all of the posts"
"We now have two Maxwell threads. So much better"

Exept it isnt. Its worse than before because you now have to go to two different threads to try to catch up.

I couldnt give a rats behind which thread we used, but 1 pre-release discussion thread is more than enough.

 

No worries, no overlap really as this thread is mainly concerned about discussing whether there should be two threads about Maxwell or not, which when you think about it is a completely different subject.

 

Oh believe me, there have been way more than two threads about Maxwell, and some of the old ones are still open for replies IIRC. BRB this necromancer gonna get busy.

 

As an FYI: we don't close threads unless there's reason to do so beyond users requesting it be closed (it'd need to be a violation of the forum rules or have gone well off-topic, in most cases). This thread can remain open provided it stays on-topic. If you don't like the thread, don't reply and it will die on its own.

 

Much appreciated.

 

Back to topic: Who here thinks that the 900m gtx cards will be a huge improvement when it comes to power. Can we finally see Integrated power use with dedicated graphics performance?

 

I hope 850M will be named down to 940M and due to the new low category name more thin laptop will receive that GPU.

 

??? OEM's don't care about the name, they care soley about the TDP. They could call it the "Mega Kick-Butt 9000" but if it has a TDP of 35W they'll consider it.

 

Sounds like an indie game on Steam. xD

But anyway, yeah, I'm more stoked about what the midrange cards have to offer. I honestly hope that they stop with limiting the bus width, that really does ruin the fun here. Still... Can't wait for the 960M and the 950M.

 

Videocardz.com? You sure that info can be trusted?

 

I'm not very knowledgeable on electronics, but I've done a decent share of reading on previous generations of graphics cards, and the biggest leap I've seen recently was from the 400 series to the 500 series, which was around 50% increase in performance. However, based on the reviews I've checked on the Maxwell vs Kepler 860m, and even the desktop 750ti, I'm not really expecting more than the usual "up to" 10 - 15% higher performance, particularly when the efficiency of the silicon is pretty much maxxed out, and there are no scale reductions in the horizon (20nm), I'd call these synthetic benchmarks mental .

 

You mean the biggest jump was from gtx 200 to gtx 400 series??
Btw guys, isn't obvious?
Nvidia's game -->
-Change architecture = change directX
-Beginning of release = GXXX4M (replace X with whatever nvidia is to offer) with either some SMX disabled or lower clocks. This happens in most of generations except for gtx 480M
-2nd year of architecture (2nd gen) = full GXXX4M for flagship mobile
-End of life of architecture = a lot of rebrandings with higher clocks
-Then new architecture will come again
-It's been the same cycle over the past 7 years.

Imho, the best time to buy any architecture = every 2nd year/2nd gen of architecture. In fact, here is what's gonna happen if you buy gtx series ;

-Buy flagship SLI = if you wanna be on top
-Buy runner-up SLI = if you wanna play All games in highest settings with fps above 60 and save $400-800 USD for future use. When OC'ed you will get flagship SLI performance
-Buy 3rd place SLI = if you want to waste some electricity just for the sake of outperforminng single flagship. Heck, does it even? But you can save more than $800 over the flagship SLI
-Buy single flagship = you can most likely play games in highest settings with FPS ranging from 30 - as high as it can (some cases might be lower)
-Buy single runner-up = play most games in highest settings/ultra settings with FPS ~0 - 20 % lower than single flagship
-Buy 3rd place = portability and midrange gaming. Good for high and sometimes ultra
-Buy 4th place = getting 3rd place card but cheaper alternative

Imho = Buy Runner-Up SLI and overclock it just enough to outmatch flagshi SLI and get blu-ray+120hz screen+1TB SSD+whatever you want

 

Simultaneous changes in uarch, process, and DirectX yield the biggest increase. It's doubtful we'll ever see the same kind of monumental leap forward in both performance and IQ that we saw with 9700 Pro and 8800 GTX.

 

Thanks for sharing some info, so would you say I am kind of right in the "up to 15%" increase in performance on the new cards, because despite the maxwell gtx 860m and 750ti being efficient yet rather "simple" compared to the gtx 880m and the new parts incoming, they shouldn't be able to squeeze much more performance than that from pretty much the same architecture, right?

P.S. By the way, I wanted to know if your Clevo despite having only one GPU (according to your signature) does it have more than two fans, and if so, do the additional one(s) spin while gaming?. I'm wondering if the cooling is really that much better because of that compared to the 100-200 USD cheaper Clevo P170SM-A that I'm leaning towards.

 

See here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...ger-np9377-clevo-p377sm-review-htwingnut.html

 

That my friend was the age of the legends
it was groundbreaking change in both nvidia/ATi

Based on the Benchmarks posted
GTX 880M --> GTX 980M = ~60% increase
GTX 870M --> GTX 970M = ~65% increase
GTX 860M --> GTX 960M = I am guessing they will add some Shaders (SMX) from 640 shaders of 860M to somewhere but below 1000
GTX 850M --> GT/GTX 950M = most likely similar case to 860M-->960M

I am not sure how nvidia did the magic, but my speculation is from the comparison of each shader and efficiency between Kepler and Maxwell.
1 SMX Maxwell = 128 shaders
1 SMX Kepler = 192 shaders
comparison of graphic performance --> 1 SMX Maxwell has 90% graphic performance of 1 SMX Kepler

GTX 980M : GTX 880M
1664shaders : 1536shaders
13 SMX : 8 SMX
13 x 0.9 : 8 x 1
11.7 : 8
1.4625 : 1

there you are looking at 46.25 % Increase
plus clock difference. GTX 980M has 1098 Mhz clock :O :O compared to 993 Mhz clock GTX 880M
1098/993 : 1.106
1.106 x 46.25 % = 51.2 %
so roughly the increase from GTX 880M to GTX 980M is a 51% Increase just by the raw performance of both only, drivers and how well it is performing for current games will matter too in the latter but not my big margin


As for your question regarding Clevo P377SM-A I am having
If you have single graphic card, only two fans will be included
when you buy another card, the vendor usually gives you a complete set including fan+xbracket+thermal compound+etc
my system is an SLI GTX 870M fyi as per signature.
I never owned a P170SM, but I can tell you very well that P377SM-A cooling is so far has the best cooling system in Clevo or even compared to all other gaming laptops it should stay in the top 3 best.
I would advise you to go with SLI system as soon as current gen comes. you will enjoy being in the top or runner up for the next 2 years at least. and gaming wise, you will get decent fps for the next 4-5 years (SLI GTX 580M users would tell so)

 

Thank you very much for your reply and the detailed explanation.

 

If I can get a 970m/4810mq equipped Sager for $15xx, I'll grab one over the winter. Maybe the SLI model for a bit more [<$1800], then add the 2nd card later.

The 970m looks like a good card. Somewhere in the vicinity of the desktop R9 285. With the 970m clocks much lower than the 980m it seems like there should be a lot of headroom. If the stock 970m can get 7400 in Firestrike, 8500+ seems reachable.

...Single card?

...Dual card?



Decisions, decisions.

 

Guys the more I read this thread the more I feel like holding back on the Asus n550jk with a gtx 850m. Will it even make a difference if I wait or not because I don't want to wait and then have the gtx 950m only be a slightly overclocked version of the 850m

 

We're only a few days away from the actual announcement (and hopefully not another announcement of an announcement) for the 900m series GPU's. Likely the 970m and 980m will come out first, followed by the mid-range series (940m, 950m, 960m). My guess is it will definitely be faster than the 850m, possibly 950m will be 860m rebrand which is a significant improvement in itself.