GTX480m News and Reviews

This is all I could find so far in regards to the GTX480M. Not much on performance numbers. Seems like it's an mxm 3.0 type B card so compatible with a lot of laptops I'm guessing. Please share if you got any info on this card, even if you have to post anonymously.

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Hmmm.... it seems similarly speced. I wonder how the 5870 will perform compared to the new GTX480.

I'm going to rage horribly if it's just another higher clocked 280 or something.....

 

they claim its fermi, so a new architecture

 

can they be more vague?

 

5870 is still better since it doesn't run at boiling water temps

Also by the time we see this thing in laptops there will be a 5970 out or around the corner. About the only thing "impressive" in the fermi so far is it's unified desktop/laptop/workstation drivers and its' horrible temps and sounds.

 

Well I have seen some pretty impressive benchmarks by the GTX 480.

 

In Desktops. And we all know that the number of shader cores in the mobile version of this card will have to be sliced in half to get this thing working in a laptop.

We'll see what performance is like after that happens.

 

A laptop isn't going to be able to sink deal with almost 300W of heat dissipation. Power per watt, ATI still beats the crap out of Nvidia in performance per watt. And as wattage is much more limited in the mobile arena, I can't see a mobile Fermi doing much damage to ATI's crown. Nvidia is hurting bad, and is in full-on spin mode.

 

HAHA lol i agree with u! My GPU almost boils unless i undervolt it and CPU...

Sliced by half? Tough luck but the mobile version won't even be able to take a third of the cores...anyways , good luck to reducing the absurd 500W power usage.. this looks like the first mobile GPU to have 125W TDP..even beating the FX3800M...

 

I haven't even heard about the 380m.

 

I know nVidia has it's fan base, but come on, this is getting ridiculous, and it was absurd how a $600 USD ATI HD 5970 beat a $10 000 USD nVidia Quadro "insanely high priced" card.

 

MXM 3.0b + makes me think about those rumors of a GTX 380M with the 100W TDP and how Nvidia may have had to come up with a new MXM to support it.


Earlier in the week Fudzilla had an article about new GF104 and GF108 GPUs that have "some Fermi basics" but aren't real Fermi tech. One of those mainstream desktop GPUs could end up being used for the enthusiast mobile GTX 480M.

 

I'm sure slicing in half will be the only viable option for Nvidia. Even with half the the number of shader cores, it'll be clock-for-clock as good as a GTX 280 desktop version. It's also imperative that Nvidia doesn't gimp the memory bus like ATi did with high end mobile Radeon 5xxxs. The 5850 and 5870 should've been 256 bit no excuses. I'm doubtful power restraints required it as there was a spec for a mobile 4870 with GDDR5 (using a 256 bit bus of course). Nvidia needs the 256 bit bus + GDDR5 in order for users to really get the full capability out of the GPU. However, we know that Nvidia will be having a difficult time making a sliced-in-half Fermi working, and a 256 bit bus could jeopardize compliance with whatever power requirements they need to meet.
Honestly, I'm sure they'll do it, with 240 Cuda cores, 30+ Fermi type TMUs, 20+ ROPs, 256 bit memory bus, GDDR5. Speed around 500 MHz core, 1200 MHz shader, perhaps 800 MHz or so for memory.

 

Workstation cards are always much more expensive than consumer cards as they are designed for totally different uses. If you're going to compare the HD 5970 to something, the GTX 480 would be a much better comparison in terms of price, performance, and use.

 

Actually, workstation cards are exactly the same physical cards as the consumer gaming cards. They are very expensive because of the drivers they employ, and the service they offer (for example, lifetimewarranty and instant change of component if failure like... within a day).

Before I think the HD2900 and 8800 GTX, people could simply swap their drivers for workstation drivers, and effectively aquire a powerful workstation card for very cheap. The newer cards, however, come "locked" in a sense that they don't allow you to install workstation drivers at all.

The most recent example would be the GTX 280 desktop card, which was hardware locked from the workstation drivers. Naturally, with gaming drivers, you get less than half the performance than a workstation drivers card get.

As for Nvidia fermi mobile card.... cutting everything by half will give very reduced performance. It should still be able to destroy the mobile G92 core, but it won't hurt the H5000 series much.

The good thing is, we will have competition. The bad thing is, I doubt it will rise the bar for mobile graphics that much more from current offerings.

Besides, the new nvidia cards will be hella expensive because of fermi architecture. And I can't reveal much more for now

 

When you figure out how to stuff that in the to the laptop, you should tell ATi and they can pay the millions they spend on R&D to you! Go quick and become a millionaire!

 

Well if u don't want to compare 5970 to quadro , there's a ATI workstation card costing about $1400-2000 beating the GTX480... basically NVDIA just can't match price and performance...

HAHA! That would be nice but nver happening..

 

Well no excuses implies there is no excuse for not having 256 bit, meaning he knows the answer. He would have to know the answer and know how in order to say there is no excuse. So by that logic, he should be running over AMD right this minute to collect his millions that they spend on R&D to figure out how to make the best competitive Mobile GPU.

 

Problem is, workstation cards are never really about performance, but compatibility, and fireGL/firePro cards fails in those aspects compared to the quadro because ATI don't spend as much money making deals with those 3D application developers, and these money is what is adding to the price of quadro. Moreover, a 5970 can't over-perform a 480GTX based workstation quadro card in 3D applications quadro cards are meant to be used for, who the hell buys a workstation card to play games.



For the 480M GTX, I suspect it will be a card in between a single card and dual card config, that's probably why it's only slated for Clevo 870, D901F and X8100, while the W860 the 15" don't get it. If it's performance could be just on par with a 5870x2 though, it will be a solid answer from Nvidia as single card configs are always better if the performance difference is little.

 

I'm more interested in what, exactly, a GTX 380m is going to be based on. That wouldn't be a bad upgrade from the multiple reincarnations of the G92 core.

You always say things like this whenever someone says something optimistic about nVidia. Yeesh.

 

Nvidia is using the wider bus and eating up a ton of power with it because that's all they can do. ATI is beating the pants off them with half as wide of a bus... why would they need to do more? It keeps the power usage much lower (just GDDR5 adds 5-10 watts, or more), which keeps them more mobile and much more easily cooled and overclocked. And it's an ace up ATI's sleeve... they could very quickly make an overclocked 5870 with a 256-bit bus and get a massive performance boost if Nvidia by some magic pulls something decent out.

It's not as absolutely fast as possible, but if you want that, get a desktop. I can't blame ATI one bit for the choices they're making.

 

I don't know if you are aware but the 4870 had a lower memory frequency, so the 1/2 bus for 5870 with the higher frequency compensates for that

 

Eh, don't care anymore, not like I'm going to be buying another Nvidia card again soon with their attitude towards gamers and my past experience with their melting cards.

Have fun with your speculations of a monster card even though it will likely be the 128 core version that Nvidia announced months ago.

 

wut? 470 is on par with 5850.

 

NVIDIA GTX 480M will bring Fermi to laptops this June, crazy power requirements and all -- Engadget

 

100W? That's just stupid. You'll need a 2" thick 17", 10lb "laptop" to even consider that. What's the point? A shuttle box + monitor will weigh maybe 5lbs more and double the performance. And probably run longer on battery

 

I will be sticking to the ATI 5870, it would appear that Nvidia simply cannot compete period. ATI are already holding their own with the 5870 and they have given themselves room for even more improvement i.e a 265 Bit Bus, nm process shrink. It would appear Nvidia's hand has been forced, hence the ridiculous watt rating etc.

 

Also forcing Clevo's and AW's hand in making modified/bigger laptops with huge PSU supplies to accomodate their cards which is ridiculous in its own end to do it for one GPU.

IDK it's all a little nauseating, I mean 100w per card, Clevo and AW mentioning 300-400 watt laptops to accomodate for SLI...Getting to a point high end laptops are becoming truly immobile and defeating its own purpose.

 

i don't see the problem...

 

Well, it still unofficial news, we better wait and see the actual card description and power requirements to judge properly.

 

Depending on how big the laptops with this get, some users might be better off just getting a desktop and a cheap ultraportable for everything else. A laptop simply can't compare with a desktop entertainment experience, I think we all know that.
If they can keep the laptops reasonably sized however then it may be worth it. Otherwise there are very few benefits to having something thats...well its somewhat portable...but HUGE...and nowhere near as good as a desktop.

 

SMH at Engadget, for using a Eurocom listing as the source for a breaking news story.

And if it is true, I don't see why you guys are talking about redesigning laptops, as it's listed as compatible with the W870CU chassis.

 

It's other places now as well. 5150Joker found this right on Clevo's site. LINK

The gpu in the W881CU (apparent successor to the W870CU) will be the:

nVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 480M
2GB GDDR5 Video RAM
Support PCIe x16
Microsoft® DirectX® 11 compatible
MXM 3.0 Type B
Support HDCP
Support DVI Dual link

 

Why would it need 2GB of ram though? That's more than even the desktop part.

I think Clevo was just coming up with the worst (best?) case scenario for what they'd have to squeeze into a laptop

 

I kind of suspect the new 881CU will be a 3D gaming laptop, that's why the need for 2gb of GDDR5, and a nvidia GPU.

Also, with the dual DVI, it's making me suspect that 480M is a dual GPU core card.

 

The W881CU appears to be the same chassis as the w870cu, but will have apparently a minor motherboard revision with usb 3.0 support it looks like. If you look at the site, and look at the eurocom site:

http://web.eurocom.com/EC/ec_model_config1(1,208,0)

the options show the w870cu with the GTX480m option. This is good news I think for w870cu owners who just want to upgrade graphics cards. This is the way it should be though with clevo/sager laptops...as they need that advantage of being able to upgrade.

 

too bad the 8690 can't be upgraded with 480M, but it could be a good thing, if it turns out that 480M has only 20-30% performance advantage over 5870MR, I won't have the options to be confused about whether to spend the money on upgrading or not.

 

Or you could just not worry at all considering a 5870 plays just about every game besides Crysis and Just Cause 2 at max right now.

If you are worried the last rumored card for the MXM type -B is the 5970, but I would just hold onto and love your 5870 until there's another revolutionary step in GPU's via the ATI 6k series or hopefully a TRUE mobile fermi early next year.

 

Higher refresh rates make me happy. Unless Dell/Alienware puts 120hz lcds or an oled in the M17x, I may consider this machine.

 

They could all be played at max as long as AA is off.

 

since the ati mobile 5870 is based on the desktop 5770 version, i think the GTX 480m is going to be based on the GTX 460 desktop version. they both seem to be coming out at the same time, June. my guess is that it will have around 250 shader cores or what ever they call them now, the 256-bit memory interface with the DDR5 memory.

at 100 watts, the only thing i can say about this new card is, "That is one hot potato"

 

What? The 285m GTX is one of the desktop 9800 (GT or GTX, not sure) according to the specs. The new mobile cards are unlikely to be based in this desktop's generation.

 

Here is some of today's news found on Fudzilla

Eurocom leaks GTX 480M

Eurocom leaks GTX 480M
Written by Peter Scott
Monday, 03 May 2010 11:44

100W part

Eurocom has leaked Nvidia's upcoming GTX 480M card in its online configurator. It claims the card will be available in select Eurocom notebooks in June and it will cost $380 more than a GTX 280M.

Mind you, Fermi cards are known for their rather lavish power requirements and it appears that the mobile version will suck 100W, so don't expect much in terms of battery life. It appears that the 480M will feature 2GB of memory and Nvidia somehow managed to pack it onto an MXM 3.0b board.

We still don't know the clocks, but it is clear that the card will be the fastest mobile graphics solution on the market. Of course average consumers have no need for such beastly graphics on a notebook, but a select few professionals will probably appreciate its muscle.

Check it out at Eurocom.

 

Well according to current evidence, it all points that the 480m is going to be a Fermi and not based on the GT200 but a GT100 core instead. And I know about the G92 cores too, I have a 8800m gts Gateway laptop that is currently broken.
If Ati can do a current generation why cant Nvidia do it too. The gt200 core doesn't seem to be working out that great. My guess is that Nvidia doesn't want to upgrade the design to include DX11 and instead use DX10.1.

 

BTW, if the GPU really is a +$300 upgrade over the 5870, there's no way that it's worth such an exorbitant price.

I prefer Nvidia over ATI every day, but not at that kind of premium.

 

Well, I never meant to make an ATI/Nvidia comparison, just point to the fact that the current mobile top Nvidia is a rebranded 9xxx. It would be great if they can take the Fermi to mobile, but as far as power and heat issues are concerned it would seem unlikely a mobile Fermi-based card would come in the closer horizon.

 

The current top Nvidia model is a G92a core that started with the 8xxx not 9xxx, 9xxx is just rebadged. The current core is a G92b core shrunk down from 65nm to 55nm. But anyways, I am thinking of going Ati with my next laptop. The price on these new cards seem to be too high.

 

Well we won't know if it's worth the price until we see some performance numbers, and since June is right around the corner you might as well wait it out a month.

 

Argh, I feel like teasing with info but I just can't come up with any clever way to disguise the info.

Oh, it is fermi. Don't worry.

 

So what's the latest news? Anyone ordered a laptop with 480m from Eurocom?