Go 7600 v ATI x1600

Whats better for gaming performance?

go 7600 with 512 Mb or MR X1600 with 256Mb? Anything significant I'll be missing out by going for the 7600?

Also, I'm assuming that these cards will be Vista ready, but what about this DirectX 10 I've heard about? Currently cards are at DirectX 9.0c. Anyone care to explain further about future compatibilty and longevity?

Thanks

 

There is not even one card on the market that fully supports DX10. And for your question about X1600 vs GF7600. They are very similar in terms of permformance, but I think X1600 is slightly better. But you probably wont see the diffrence during gaming.

 

Although I have an X1600, i would go with the 7600. Simply because so many games these days come with an nVidia stamp on them...

 

Ah right thanks then, looks the Zepto 6615WD for me

What about DX10? Is it going to be an integral part of computer performance (e.g mainly graphics/gaming) in the near future? Would I be missing out on some some key features by buying now instead of waiting for Vista and DX10 compliant cards to come out?

 

You could be waiting a long time before DX10 cards start coming out...

 

Ughhhhhh,... u would have to wait for so long... seriously. Vista is going to come out after X-mas at the rate they are going at... DX10 comes out with it... then you can expect a couple weeks to even one or two months before they produce the first DX10 compliant cards... Then you would have to wait for all the bugs to be fixed. then you would have to wait for higher-end cards to come out... you know? it never ends. Your 7600 will do you good for at least 2-3 years.

 

I understand now cheers guys

I just I hope won't have the urge in 3 years to buy a new notebook

 

You can check the guide stickied up top for more info:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=39568

 

According to some benchmarks I have seen, I think the X1600 is about 10% more powerful than the 7600 Go.

 

X1600 i think also uses less heat/power... :S

 

Well thats a spanner in the works

I'm probably going to ditch any notebook with the 7600 because I want it to last 5 years at least.

Looks like it'll be Asus or Evesham

 

go for the evesham c545

 

the c545 has integrated graphics. i think u mean the c550 which is an excellent deal specs wise. but i have heard some poor reviews of evesham laptops. low battery life and shoddy plastic chassis. but i could be wrong. asus seem a safer bet, but the asus laptops you are most likely looking at have the same chassis as the eveshams you are looking at (c550), and when i get a laptop i like them well built. for a well built laptop go to acernotebooks.co.uk. acer r a safe bet with lots of choice.

 

another thing about asus. my friend recently bought an asus a6ja which broke after a day, the power lights were on but not much else was happening. in other words a catastrophic failure.

 

no i mean the c545 plus, its the sme thing but cheaper and smasller

 

the 7600 obliterates the 1600 in the desktop realm, interesting that the mobile version comes up a bit short

 

I think desktop versions of 7600 and X1600 have same numbers of pipelines, while mobile 7600 have only 8 comparing to 12 in X1600. But it's not for sure.

 

I have the nvidia 7600 go with 512 megs and it performs very well. New games like GRAW require 512 mb in order to switch on high detail textures etc. Therefore I wouldn't bother getting a 256 mb card now, if this is the trend among future games.

Besides that, I score 2200 points in 3dmark 06 in 1280x768 without oc - while most benchmarks I've seen with the X1600 only go up to around 1800 points?

I would stick with the go 7600...

Edit:

BTW my system is a Zepto 6214W with a 1,66 ghz duo core, 1 gb PC5300 ram and 80 gb 5400 rpm harddrive.

 

GRAW?

How would it handle Half-Life 2, FEAR and TES; Oblivion?

 

I know that X1600 does GRAW at 1280 resolution at highest texture settings, everything turned on, full screen, VSYNC and 4xAA

Half Life 2 runs at native resolution maxed out.
FEAR works amazing at medium graphics.
Oblivion works at native reoslution with almost everything turned up...

Its a very powerful card. i dont know what people are talking about when they say it has poor performance. It kicks my desktop's GeForce 6800 with 256 out the window.

 

Vlad_I, can you give me just one reason why i should keep vsync on? I know it boosts my fps by 50% if i turn it off...

(prehaps a bit offtopic)

 

Hahaha don't make me laugh. On my X1600 I got almost 2450 in 06 after OC so 1800 marks sounds like a joke.

 

Well... i think Vsync rids of some of the "frame" effect... you know when you look around you in a game, the screen looks like its constructed of a couple rotating squares kind of... i dont know how to describe it. Point is, if you notice no difference when you turn it on, then ur best bet is to keep it off. It does eat a lot of GPU's resources... VSYNC is useless in some games but makes a drastic change in others (DOOM3)

 

Hmmm you might want to read my post again and stop your whining...
Lots of people on various sites claim that the X1600, with similar system specs as mine, score around 1800 points before OC. I even believe people in here has been posting similar scores.

So if I get 2200 points with my 7600 go, with the same system specs, then it appears to be pretty darn obvious that the 7600 go with 512 dedicated megs, indeed does perform better than the X1600...

Its no wonder you get 2450 points with a 1,8 duo core and OC - I will most likely be able get an even higher score, despite my inferior cpu, if I start OC'ing...

 

Are you serious?! You want to tell me that 0,16 Ghz diffrence is giving me 400 marks in 3dm06?!(without OC I got 2200) That's even better joke than previous.

 

Dude... ffs look at my initial post...

I have a T2300 processor, 1 gb PC5300 ram and the geforce 7600 go.

You appear to have a T2400, 1 gb ram and the X1600.

Agree?

If you're unfamiliar with algebra, 1,66 ghz - 1,87 ghz isn't equal to 0,16 ghz...

But whatever, I only wanted to help the bloke asking for some advice...

 

Your right that 1,87-1,66 isn't 0,16 BUT T2400 (which I actually have) is 1,83 NOT 1,87 so yes the diffrence IS 0,16 (1,83-1,66=0,16).

 

I didn't know that was possible yet on a laptop, the 512 dedicated that is...perhaps it would be more even if you compared with a 512 dedicated X1600.

 

Let's not start a war in here over video card scores . . . there are a bunch of factors that could be causing a lower score. 3DMark is a synthetic benchmark and nothing more. If your games play fine, I wouldn't worry about it.

Regards,
Chaz

 

It's actually arithmetic not algebra =) lol
these cards are extremely close in scores, don't fight about it.
Go race your cards at the local track.

 

All the 7600 Go scores I have seen have been 200pts or more behind the X1600. I have seen the X1600 get over 4700+ while the 7600 gets 4500 overclocked in 3dmark05. So the 7600 in general is a slightly weaker card. But they are both really close performance wise, that you would never notice more than 1FPS more in a game. Big deal.

 

look dude, you and so many post about the x1600 like there is no equal. Lets face it you have OC marks posted in your sig. This guy got 2200 in 3Dmark06 stock. I have read many before the same then I have to agree 7600go is a bit stronger for newer games and testing. What were your stock scores in 3D mark06 between 19xx or 2000. The only thing I have ever read or seen is X1600 maybe 1XX higher in 3dmark 05. But now we have 3dmark06 and stock it is faster. Sure if overclocking is your thing great, but lets keep it stock and stock the7600go is faster in the newer 3Dmark06. I bet you get 220,000 in 3dmark01..wonder why no one mentioned that...

 

Actually my stock was 2200. And don't tell me that he have 2006 so only 3dm06 is that counts. 06 is generally 05 with some HDR addition. And there's almost no game that are using this, most games even now are closer to 05 requirements. And in 05 the diffrence is more than 1xx, 2-300 or even more (3900 vs 4300)

 

Vsync means that the GPU only outputs a frame from it's buffer to the display during the vertical refresh, to avoid a phenomenon known as "tearing"... that is when you occasionally see a frame that looks like it's a mixture of two different frames.

Most LCD panels have a refresh rate of 60Hz, so turning on Vsync means your framerate will never go above 60, which is plenty for most people. The problem really comes into effect if the GPU has rendered several frames into it's buffer, but doesn't have a complete frame ready when the vertical refresh arrives... In this case it sends NOTHING and waits until the next refresh. What this means is that depending on scene complexity and GPU load, your framerate will jump between 60 and 30 fps, and 30 fps is marginal at best for a fast moving FPS.

If you need the extra performance and can handle the tearing, then switch Vsync off... or investigate using "triple buffering" alongside Vsync, which gives the improved visual quality without the potential performance hit. Some people claim that this increases the latency (i.e. the lag between your mouse movements and the screen updating to reflect this), but we're talking milliseconds here.

This article over at OC Workbench should help clarify things.

 

I know you are pro ATI as from all of your posts, however MilestonePC sells both and bench tested both and said there was only 1XX difference between the W3J and A8JM 3Dmark05. I tend to believe someone more who sells notebooks and tests them the same day they arrive stock.

 

Hmm I'm not pro ATI, in previous laptop I got nVidia. Brand is not important for me, in fact I would like to have GF in my laptop but ATI is also ok, I just don't care about it. And about milestonepc. Remember that his test was on drivers supplied by Asus and I think it's not the final word of both cards. I think we should comparing cards with good (not outdated) drivers + OC capabality. This shows full potential that card has.

 

Here is a review with a laptop featuring the Geforce 7600 with 512 mb - it should give you an idea of its performance.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?page=6963&head=0

 

What this article supposed to show me?! That GF7600 has almost 2200 in 06?! Same score as X1600, nothing speciall.

 

Mary from Poland => The review is addressed to the authour of this thread... I've already spent too much time discussing this idiotic matter with you.

 

Sorry to kinda get off topic, but vlad... I'm seriously thinking about picking up that acer you have, do u find anything wrong with it or not up to par? And i've def heard all good from everywhere else about the x1600... recommended by alot of people from other places. Thanks

BTW - My friend has the x1600 loves it, havent heard much about the 7600

 

id personally go with the ATI X1600, because the Go7600 has some problems (as posted by some users)

 

Can you explain further? Do you have any links? Its just that im looking at a laptop with the go7600 .

Anything major?

 

I don't think there's any problems with it, just in certain notebooks it can't be overclocked because the frequencies are BIOS-locked. It is an issue with the notebook itself rather than the card.

 

yep...thats the 'problems' that im talking about....since there was this other thread here where the guy was having this trouble

 

hehe in the zepto the 7600 is already overclocked to beat a x1600 muhahahahha

 

Just for the heck of it, I've just let the card detect the optimal clock frequency - and it turned up the core speed with 10 mhz and the memory with 30 mhz. This boosts the 3dmark score to 2300. It seems that it has a lot more to give, but I have no intentions to do this.

So in my case, overclocking isn't a problem - on the contrary it actually seems to give quite a performance boost in games like Fear and GRAW.

 

both vid cards are based on 90nm processes, and both can be clocked similarly... compare the underlying architecture to see which can really perform better:



the x1600 has 4 more pixel pipelines, and more memory bandwidth, but both use 128-bit transfer. While 512MB dedicated is awesome (and a power hog), for the price of a 512 dedicated 7600, you could probably get a better card like 7900gs. 256 mem is enough for almost any game (on hypermemory, most games will not use the extra memory above the 256 dedicated). so, in a straight 256mb 7600 go vs 256mb x1600, similarly clocked... the x1600 has slightly more power.