Google Stadia

Capped at 60fps. Enough said.

 

yeah i guess 4k 240hz is common

 

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I agree that it's kind of ridiculous to pay for a game which you can lose access to. Google should at least provide a full game download for people who paid for them so people can play games in case Google will decide to abandon this service like they did with many other services before. Something like GoG where you can download DRM-free games and play them anywhere you want even if GoG will be closed.

 

google one of the largest companies on the planet will not fail, they will obviously have the games available at all times if purchased, they are offering their computers for 11.99 a month so that you can do 4k 60 and thats all they are doing.

 

Not talking about Google failing, but the company's propensity for abandoning products and services it starts:

https://killedbygoogle.com/

 

most of those are minor

 

Stadia is also "minor" project for Google ;-) Most of their money come from other sources, they can easily afford to throw a few millions on this project even if they will decide to close it after a couple of years.

Just look at what happened to YouTube Gaming live stream service. Google invested a lot of money into separate app to watch gaming streams and tried to make it a separate section and even spend money on encouraging some Twitch streamers to switch to their service. They actually had a chance to drive Twitch out of market because Twitch had major issues with quality of streams when YouTube Gaming live stream section has launched. Now look at what happened after - Google never bothered to improve the web interface and their app for YouTube Gaming live streams and instead they abandoned the app and the whole project and while you can do livestreams on YouTube - Twitch is still a preferred platform for most game streamers because it is MUCH more easy to find and follow a favorite live streamer who streams games compared to awful interface of YouTube general webpage and YouTube app which is now used for everything. There is not even a button for gaming live streams on home page of current YouTube app, and when you finally find YouTube Gaming section in YouTube app - it is an awful mess of mix of live streams and old videos. You can't even integrate the games with live streams on YouTube the way you can on Twitch:
https://blog.twitch.tv/twitch-for-game-developers-b664163bed65
And you never will because once again, Google has abandoned any kind of support for meaningful game live streaming (other than basic functionality which exists now) unlike Amazon's Twitch which is constantly being in active development with more features and improvements added. This is a perfect example how Google usually treats all of their side projects and there is a high chance that same thing will happen to Stradia.

 

With gigabit internet being more common, it should be an option. Maybe not 4k or 240hz, but at least 1080 at 120hz. 1440 at 165 isnt rare either. Regardless, if they can do 4k at 60fps, then the pix bandwidth is more then there for the above modes.

 

Google didn't want to compete against twitch.tv, but for Stadia Google might be alone in it's capabilities, only time will tell.

Giving up now on Stadia is like giving up on your dreams before trying to make them happen.

Oh, yeah, I see, like Google...

Hopefully Google won't give up so easily this time.

 

i dont see how a new console release by google is minor...at any rate i hope they succeed

 

Alphabet is expected to generate over $150 billion in revenue this year alone, so the company needs big markets to have an impact. Google Stadia: Google's Stadia will allow gamers to stream any title to any screen


pulled right off google, the video game market is 134 billion a year not millions....geesh if your unsure of something read up a little.

 

Wat?
What console is Google releasing?

 

lolz....ok let me explain xbox 2 and ps5 will offer streaming of games much the same as stadia and if they are considered consoles technically so is stadia because they all share 1 common major thing.....streaming.ps5 will have a streaming only version and probably be no bigger than a chrome cast ultra...just watch im almost always right about this stuff. I get the scoop from a tech I know personally.

well his names google

PS5 streaming: Sony confirms next-gen games "can be seamlessly enjoyed independent of time and place"
By Alex Avard May 21, 2019 News

from games radar in big bold font


i told you guys this was the future a year and a half ago....now it is

 

PlayStation Now has existed since 2014.

And again, as long as ISPs are capping people's data, dedicated game streaming will be a non-starter. At high-quality settings for 3 hours per day, and not doing anything else online, you'll blow through a 1 TB allotment in a little more than 2 weeks.

 

So will (or maybe already do) current gen Xbox and PS. And PC for that matter already can stream (PS Now, Ubisoft thing, and also remember Onlive, which was who knows how many years ago).
Stadia itself is a streaming service and Google so far isn't releasing a specific piece of gaming hardware aka console, just a controller.
It's like saying Netflix released a TV.

 

Do someplaces still meter an internet connection? I was hoping that was a fad and would pass. I cannot even begin to imagine what my total usage would be each month between streaming and downloading as many large games as I do. And each time there is an update, or I change my drive setup on a laptop, I go grab a new copy again.

I originally started my digital movie and game collection due to the worry it would eventually come to that and I would be able to disconnect from online if it got bad enough. Well I've done it and have many lifetimes worth of things to watch and play now

 

Some ISPs still do, they just silently throttle down some users, for example if you are Twitch streamer who has streamed for few days with max bitrate. Which you won't notice if you just download games, or play the games online if you already downloaded them. And since we do not have "net neutrality" - I do not expect ISPs to treat Stadia differently unless Google will be willing to make a special agreement with ISPs ;-)

It's not even about metering - once again, Google can't even make their Nest service to be available all the time, and people depend on it for practical things which are more important than silly games:
https://www.fastcompany.com/9035839...nest-users-couldnt-unlock-doors-or-use-the-ac
As a user of some Nest products, this wasn't the first outage I have seen, this is why I do not rely on Nest for things like outdoor cameras or door lock.

Anyway, like I said I might be wrong and Stadia will be successful but I have my doubts. I would rather trust Microsoft's cloud gaming platform since they are keep trying to be better in gaming market, from making games like Metro Exodus available in their own digital store (yes, it's not Steam but it works and it lets you avoid Epic Store) to investing money into game livestreaming services like Mixer and famous game streamers:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/1/2...twitch-fortnite-streaming-gaming-announcement

 

no dude they are releasing a chromecast ultra ala console like attachment.....sorry for the confusion....no it would not be like netflix is releasing a tv they are actually releasing a attachment to make it possible aka mini console

and yes google might be releasing a console...heres a google snippet

Google is one day away from unveiling its big push into video games. The initiative assuredly involves Google's Netflix-like video game streaming service, Project Stream. Reports point to Google making a game console as well, though it's not clear how powerful it will be

I won't lie but isn't that the definition of ignorance, lacking knowledge?

 

Here is the generic link for anyone who is interested about Stadia. No rumors, just facts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Stadia

In the list of supported games they list some games which have Nvidia RTX support. I wonder if you will be even able to enable those options in Stadia considering that the GPU they use does not appear to support these features.

 

IDK if I'd rely on a Wikipedia article for all of my buying decisions / needs, but it's a valid input much of the time.

I would consider RTX is a mis-feature, as it ruins the gaming lighting and performance. In Metro in the lower levels RTX On reduces lighting / visibility to the point of ruining game play - reducing /removing visible features to the point you are missing details important to gameplay, for example. And outdoors in the bright glaring lighting the RTX On washed out colors and textures, so I don't consider RTX a desired feature.

DXR will be offered in the long run, but at any point in the near future (5-10 years) I don't see it as being a necessary function. DXR is just another marketing tool to fool inexperienced people into thinking they got something when all they got was "taken for a ride".

It will be interesting to see if RTX changes gaming play in any useful direction any time in the next 5 years, I would be surprised if it does happen.

 

I personally liked RTX effects in Metro, looked really great outdoor. No washed-out colors even with it enabled. But then again, my monitors are properly calibrated (using Datacolor Spyder) and I played it on VA monitor (it has better contrast than any IPS or TN monitor) so other people might have different experience ;-)

 

Anyone want to make a friendly bet on how long it sticks around before being added here:

https://killedbygoogle.com/

I personally think it'll fizzle out almost immediately... then limp along for 3 years until they put it out of its misery.

 

So whats this about new consoles being solely a streaming device? An intel Nuc can more then do that, or even a smartphone.

 

Zen2 8 cores and Navi sure seem like overkill for “solely a streaming device”.

 

Yeah LOL. total underkill for anything related to real time Ray tracing, which is kind of a joke at any rate even with the most high-end RTX system. That was just speculation from a while ago oh, and I forgot that this is the new specs for the Next Generation. It still seems like Overkill since there's barely any games that use more than 4 cores...

 

Last I heard, RTRT was mentioned for Xbox Scarlett at the E3 conference, and it wasn't the wishy-washy ray-traced audio that Sony kinda hinted at, so I'm guessing there will some semi-custom silicon to accelerate ray tracing in the Nextbox in addition to the Navi GPU.

Now that is just false if you're talking about AAA games this generation.

 

Next consoles from Sony and MS won't be streaming only, they will allow normal game downloads and offline playing.
And yes, plenty of games use more than 4 cores, especially the ones that were released on consoles. They just don't use all cores equally but you will certainly get benefit from them. Even old MMORPGs like FFXIV can benefit from more than 4 cores - I've seen that, I play this game. Next time you'll run some games like BF5, Planetside 2, Fortnite, PUBG or FFXIV - open the task manager and look for CPU utilization, you will see that. It would be stupid to NOT utilize all the available cores since both XBone and PS4 have 8 of them available.

 

35mbps for 4k 60...I know this will kill conventional gaming

 

Publishers are going to try and shift everything to streaming, at which point the entire industry will crash on a scale orders of magnitude worse than anything people in 1983 could have imagined.

 

Perhaps there will be a flurry of investment, funding a vast buildout of high speed communications world-wide, bringing along with it joy and happiness for all.

Or, perhaps there will be a more balanced mix of events, with varying levels of success and failure, still resulting in a vast buildout of high speed communications world-wide, bringing along with it joy and happiness for all.

 

Stadia has confirmed their release date and list of games. It looks like a good start... anyone else ordering the Founders Edition?

Google Stadia confirmed November release date, Founder’s Edition price, and games
Google wants to shift gaming into the cloud - here's what we know about Stadia so far
https://www.pcgamesn.com/stadia/google-stadia-release-date-price-performance

https://store.google.com/product/stadia_founders_edition
https://store.google.com/product/stadia_founders_edition_specs
https://store.google.com/product/stadia_games

A few exclusives, but mostly games we can find elsewhere.

Google Stadia: What Impact Will it Have on Gaming in 2020? - Gamescom 2019
IGN
Published on Aug 22, 2019
We talk with John Justice, VP of Product for Google Stadia about what the service could mean for the video game industry going forward.

 

Really instilling confidence in the long-term viability of Stadia, aren't you there, Google?

Google Cloud is shutting down Hire, the recruiting service that its former CEO Diane Greene helped create

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-cloud-shutting-down-recruiting-service-hire-2019-8

 

Fortunately that's another anomoly created from a motivation other than the Hire Service itself, as that service was acquired to bring in a CEO for Google Cloud, which apparently didn't work out - so goes the hire so goes Hire.

Bye bye to both. Google needs to not do such things, as even though they lost on the hire they could have continued to profit from Hire.

Stadia doesn't need to be hosted on a Google Cloud / Youtube server. If the game developer / publisher / game runner wants they can host the game on their servers - in their own premises or co-located within / adjacent to Google's network.

Google’s Cloud Platform Pushes Into AAA, Stadia Won’t Require Its Use
By BRIAN CRECENTE, MARCH 20, 2019 9:13AM PT
https://variety.com/2019/gaming/new...o-aaa-stadia-wont-require-its-use-1203167877/

Perhaps Stadia isn't under the Google Cloud umbrella, rather it's in the Youtube house. This article posits that Stadia is there to bring business back to Youtube and keep Youtube relevant:

Stadia is about the future of YouTube, not gaming
Google’s starting a revolution just to keep things as they are
By Vlad Savov @vladsavov Mar 20, 2019, 2:12pm EDT
https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/20/18274184/google-stadia-youtube-streaming-future-gaming-cloud

Until Stadia, the *need* for Stadia might not be obvious or it's viability mathematically predictable. But once it's here and the service provides resources previously unavailable for massive power and simultaneous sessions co-existant with the hardware, online gaming could take a jump forward unknown now.

Google Stadia and how Google is managed by monkeys
Jorge Castro Mar 22, 2019
https://dev.to/jorgecc/google-stadia-and-how-google-is-managed-by-monkeys-2bof

"...Let’s say we have a superb server for gaming that it could hold 10 customers at the same time and it costs $5000 (note, we already calculated that it is still a bad deal and this price is for datacenter owners). The ratio is $500 per customer.

In comparison, a regular server (web server, business system and such), could hold easily 1000 concurrent users and costs $1000 a piece. The ratio is $1 per customer. Ok, let’s say the server costs $2000 (the price for the average joe), The ratio is $2 per customer."

 

Yeap, this is guaranteed to happen to Stadia in a few years, once the gamers will realize things like:
- You cannot play the games at their maximum visual fidelity (such as Nvidia's RTX features, which are currently used in some popular games and one of the most anticipated game, Cyberpunk 2077). This will always be the case since Nvidia and AMD will always try to develop features unique to their hardware to sell it. And Google has no plans to use GPUs from both AMD and Nvidia or upgrade them each time new generation of GPUs with new features will be released.

- You cannot play the games once you lose the internet connection. Something that is not available in many places or something that is not very stable even if you live in largest cities in the world.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/cw5smi/ps5_needs_to_be_an_offline_friendly_console/

- Your ISP can throttle your traffic any time, meaning visual quality will be affected in every game you will play even if you will still have good latency. This applies to any country without net neutrality.

- You cannot mod your games in any way. This is still a big deal, for people who like to play old games with extra graphics or extra gameplay change mods. Or people who want to take pretty screenshots using Reshade. Or people who want to host modded game servers, like GTA RP mod, which was extremely popular with many streamers and many players and still is.

- Many game developers will not bother using Google at all if they could host their own Cloud servers for cheaper price (such as Microsoft or Sony), or the game client will have unique requirements not possible with Cloud gaming. This is true for MMORPG games, most of which are not available on Stadia. No World of Warcraft or FFXIV or Black Desert Online or EVE.

- You are still paying the price of full game on top of monthly fee to access it. And Google can remove access for any game you play, even singleplayer ones, something which is not possible with games sold by DRM-free shops like GoG. You also cannot resell the game to anyone else, something that you can do with console games which you buy on disks.

 

Throttling is not as big a concern to me as is a cap on overall bandwidth. I've said it before, and I will repeat it until I'm blue in the face. Most ISPs include 1 TB per month and then charge for every gigabyte used thereafter. At the highest quality settings, playing for three hours per day, you will burn through a 1 TB data cap in about three weeks, assuming you do absolutely nothing else with your Internet connection.

 

To remove the cap on ATT to unlimited is $50 extra per month with their 1Gbit download plan. So that would be $70+$50 = $120 / mo, which is still less than the previous plan TV + Internet.

With increasing need for higher speed and more data the price pressure should drop the prices even further.

All of the limits mentioned will find solutions.

 

I have 1Gb Verizon without any caps but I did see streaming videos dropping bitrate, on YouTube or Twitch. This can happen due to intentional throttling or just poor routing to content distribution servers. I don't see it very often and videos can be buffered by any video streaming service to deal with it but hopefully you can understand that buffering will not be acceptable for streaming games.

Why would my ISP drop prices if they are basically the only good choice in our area? The only one other choice is a cable TV company which is worse. Google themselves have also stopped expanding their own broadband service and wireless 5G is a joke due to the fact that it is still easy to overload single tower and wireless companies are not very quick to add more capacity and better coverage because it costs them a lot of money here in US due to various regulations and cost of labor. The mobile towers are so overloaded that I have to pay extra for more expensive plan to get a higher priority, even after that the speeds do not reach the maximum allowed by LTE standard.

 

Why? Because the costs of providing the increased bandwidth is dropping. The prices have continued to drop and the speeds have continued to increase without pause for about 5 years now.

The speeds were stagnant for a while before then but since then the speeds have gone from 10mbits to 20mbits to 50mbits to 100mbits to 200mbits, and then jumped to 400mbits / 1000mbits in the last 6 months.

Will the speeds continue to increase, yup. In order to stay competitive with 5g - there are a couple of 5g hotspots already with ethernet / Wifi 6 that will give 2000mbits, that's already double the Comcast performance, and several times faster than ATT.

In order to stay competitive with 5G the throughput will need to increase upwards to 5000mbits, latencies drop (1ms - 10ms for 5g), and costs remain under $100 when it's widely rolled out.

At those speeds on 5G and Wired data caps will seem silly, and either increase greatly or completely disappear. If 5G is unlimited for $100/mo, how can the wired competitors have a data cap?

With dual homing routers - 5G + wired with local 5g service provided by your router, the likelihood of total loss of internet connectivity should disappear.

Data services delivery will change rapidly over the next 2 to 3 years, and Google should know that - they will need to commit to at least 5 years of Stadia service to realize the benefits of the rising tide of data speed and latency improvements.

 

right now im using geforce now and my internet is now 35mbps and I see crazy artifacting and lag...my ping is high lag isn't the concern. Its the image quality. When I was getting 300mbps which is common in canada image quality was just as good as running the game natively. this is the future and i agree with hmscott google will have to stick this one out for a few years, but yeah this is the future

 

Stadia Founder's Edition now sold out across Europe, replaced with Premiere Edition

https://www.neowin.net/news/stadia-...-across-europe-replaced-with-premiere-edition

 

I was unaware of this site. Good to know that hangouts is getting ax'ed

 

I think there's enough people with good internet and data availability to make it a viable service. Google just needs enough people that just want to play the odd game here and there and don't care about anything else. Honestly the percentage of my steam library that I will ever go back and replay after completing the game is minuscule.

 

Maybe. Maybe not. Look at Sony's own cloud gaming service, they have been using it for a significant time already. Yet you won't see many people playing it, even though Sony does not charge you for individual game and they have 800 games available for playing. There can be many reasons for that but I believe (based on the fact that quality of internet service is still pretty bad for many people) this kind of service is still not ready to be a viable alternative for majority of gamers.

Let's wait and see if the Google will be more successful than that with their more greedy pricing ;-)

 

Not quite, it will remain if you're on Fi for the near term. They use it to send text via data which means I can get my text messages anywhere in the world on any sim. I'm doing it right now and I like that. Pretty much don't like anything else abut hangouts but moving text messages over to data is a huge bene for me.

 

Here's a news update about Stadia - 2 weeks away, 1st half of the video.

Four Reasons Stadia Might Bomb - Inside Gaming Roundup
Inside Gaming
Nov 9, 2019

 

More news from Google:

Google reveals Stadia game lineup: Everything we know about price, launch and speed requirements
Google's eagerly anticipated cloud-gaming service is less than a month away. Here's what to expect.
Lori Grunin, Mark Serrels, Jackson Ryan, Ian Sherr, Oscar Gonzalez
November 11, 2019 10:09 AM PST
https://www.cnet.com/news/google-re...ow-about-price-launch-and-speed-requirements/

 

Here's everything that will be missing when Stadia launches. Get a drink and sit down before you start reading.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019...-be-missing-many-features-for-mondays-launch/

 

Some of those left-out items are genuine head scratchers. They're begging for Stadia to be treated like it's not supposed to last.

Charles

 

Hopefully Google will stick by their commitment to build this service over time, and allow time for the stragglers to come through in the end - delivering the games and features promised or alluded to in the beginning.

"At the highest visual quality, the Stadia app warns that "data usage might reach 20 GB/hr." That's above some previous estimates that expected 15.75 GB/hr for a 4K HDr signal with 5.1 surround sound. Limiting the stream to 720p stereo quality via the app caps data usage at 4.5 GB/hr."

So with my data cap of 1000GB I can game at full "throughput" for 50 hours a month - ignoring I use about 50% of the 1000GB a month already so that leaves about 25 hours for Stadia gaming. That's probably more time than I can commit to Google Stadia gaming, considering I have a number of other options.

For $50 / month more, at least right now, Comcast will grant unlimited - uncapped - bandwidth. Depending on the area I think that is truly uncapped, or it might mean slow downs after reaching 1TB during peak usage hours.

I don't think Stadia is exceeding or not meeting my original expectations.

I'm hoping they are successful, and the same for the other streaming services.

That will bring in many more potential AAA developers - right now I think we are kind of stagnating with the top AAA developers we have - the field needs new blood and needs to widen out the entry base a lot.

They can only do what they can do in the time allocated. Some limits are technical, some political or down to others cooperating.

Which left out items are you referring to specifically?

 

The Family Sharing one is the most glaring, to my eyes.

Charles