Google Stadia

Hence why I don't really play games on console these days (well, since the Xbox 360 days as a kid at least).

He probably knows because Google has a history is fudging their release notes like this. Also, Stadia's past up to this point of releasing half-baked stuff.

 

Do you honestly see problems with current Console upscaled 4k games such that you are forced to not play them? Which games, specifically, on which Console?

As far as I have seen the bit peeping comparisons have shown little differences even under magnification. Those Console upscaling and sharpening measures have had many years to be optimized and improved.

Native 4k looks marginally better for a much higher load on GPU and CPU resources.

DLSS in it's 1.0 blurry faze was obnoxious, but now in the latest - soon to come - 2.0 version looks much closer to 4k, at least in demo's. We won't know until the new DLSS and games release.

4k Native is very GPU intensive and it's not something that can even be done on PC's @ 60+/30+ FPS without $1000+ 2080ti's.

Do you have a 2080ti, $1000 or $1500? What are you using for 4k and how many FPS are you getting on native 4k?

For $9.99/mo for Stadia, I don't think having some games upscaled to 4k is egregious - especially since it's up to the developers not a limitation in Stadia.

Do your research and don't buy games that aren't native 4k if it bothers you. If there aren't enough native 4k games on Stadia, then you can wait and subscribe to Stadia later when you are ready.

No one is forcing you to continually complain about Stadia, that's you're decision.

For now you can spend your time more productively praising 4k on Nvidia's Geforce Now service... oh, right...

 

No, I don't, please enlighten us, what history of Google fudging their release notes "like this"? Like what specifically? What has google fudged in their release notes? Links?

Google Stadia provides 4k service for games that implement 4k - whether the game upscales or runs native. That's not fudging, that's accurately stating the state of Stadia offering 4k.

Google didn't consider Stadia a "Beta", and that is because Stadia was under a closed Beta before release. Just because Stadia is a growing service providing new features, games, and functionality doesn't mean it's a "Beta".

Software and hardware is always evolving and new features and performance will come with any service over time, if they want to grow and offer more value to their customers.

 

No, I just don't play consoles anymore since I don't play games that much anymore period and those that I do are mainly PCMR versions. Only thing I have left that's newer would be when I bought a PS4 purely to play Ace Combat 7 on it (knew it was 1080p-only going in, and the PS4 pre-order had things I wanted vs the PC pre-order).

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As for the lying and over-promising, I could re-reference the posts from myself or saturnotaku over the last... dozen pages or so here? But TLDR aside from the 1080p/4K upscaling, there's the device compatibility issues, lag and jitter issues wrt input, late release of the premium option for pre-orders and thus breaking some promises like first dips on usernames (silly feature but meh, people paid for it), and a lot of the other promises made during GDC 2019 that were missed (such as integration with Youtube and Assistant).

The lack of GDC 2019 features at launch, and for quite a while after that, pretty much reminds me of other botched releases like the Sega Saturn. Figured companies would learn from stuff like that.

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It's true that nobody's forcing me to post here, but it's fun dunking on over-promising tech that can't/won't deliver.

 

You aren't saying anything new, and it's now done to repeating what's been already posted and isn't helping anyone. It's just trolling to be annoying, and that's why it's fun to you, right?

You are annoying people that are trying to enjoy sharing new technology and are interested in enjoying it, while you have no interest in any of it yourself.

So you are simply enjoying ruining the fun of others, right? Commenting not to inform, but to disrupt the fun of others. That's trolling. Please stop.

 

Well, if what I'm doing is against the rules, just for simply adding comments to a thread and not necessarily being a fan of whatever tech it's talking about, not only should I be reported now for here, but for pretty much each and every time I've ever said anything negative in off-topic or WNBSIB or whatever. I mean I suppose I could reflect the comment back at you and your threads of nothing but spamming links and summaries, but I won't.

 

You know you are doing something wrong. It's up to you to stop yourself. We can only point it out to you when it annoys us.

4k hardware support is 4k hardware support, that's Stadia.

The games are something else, complain to the developers for not putting out 4k native and instead upscale to deliver 4k.

You knew that, or if you didn't know that before coming to the thread, the times I've pointed it out before should have been enough for you by now.

GFN only has 1080p after what, 7 years? Stadia is bringing out new technology and spending the resources to keep improving, yet all you can do is complain? Why? What is your problem, seriously, what is your problem?

 

Hey, if I'm actually breaking any NBR rules, the report button is right there. Mods are still active here last time I checked.

Anyway, enough with being silly about my comments because you don't like them, please. Especially considering you know what my opinions are about cloud gaming in general, be it Stadia or GFN or whatever (ie, get a proper gaming computer/console if you want performance)

 

Pretty hilarious considering how you've been warned by the admins (more than once, I might add) for doing the exact same thing.

BTW, if you want to make this forum your own personal echo chamber, feel free to avail yourself of the ignore list.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-are-so-few-games-on-google-stadia-2020-2

Money (or rather, the lackthereof) quotes:

I'm guessing the sales pitch was something along the lines of, "We're Google, that's all the incentive you need."

 

There are lots of "smart" people out there that outsmart themselves - talk themselves out of great opportunities that would have grown them up and into the person they could have been. These kind of projects are rewarding in ways other than money.

Maybe this instantiation of Stadia doesn't fly - for whatever reason - just don't let it be because you let your end down.

Down the road those relationships you build will bring things you can't even imagine. But, if you don't start down that road, you will never know.

If you can't invest yourself in a new technology without getting led to the waterhole and having your face stuffed in it, you'll end up missing out on a lot of what life has to offer.

That's how all start up's are. You aren't going to get security, a promise of success, or a guarantee that everything is going to turn out rosy. Even if it's a great success the money might not be there for you even then.

It's not about the money. Good things rarely are about the money. They are about the passion and the fire in your heart.

That's the math you see them playing out in their heads, they can't afford to take a loss if things don't work out.

If you can't afford to do a start up, don't do one. You have to have a lot to give to get into a startup, and it takes a certain self-assurance and drive to persist through everything that experience brings you.

Google Stadia may or may not be here 20 years from now, but 20 years from now you might be broke, and now with no memories of that grand project you wish you had embarked on.

If you are a no show, no go, fail to start - you haven't even shown up - then quietly bear that burden yourself, and don't poison it for those that were bold and brave enough show up to give their all for a passion project.

It's sad to see people airing their cowardice and failure to start.

 

As a developer who pays their bills via money, money is kind of a big deal. It's not like devs, especially those in smaller shops / indie / freelance / whatever you wish to call it can live off of (to borrow a term from the silly "influencer" scene) exposure. And this is Google we're talking about here; they can afford to pay a decent cut to the game devs, especially if smaller companies like Steam or Epic can manage it.

Google can do whatever it wants with it's money. I'd disagree with you in that Google does things "rarely about the money", since all their stuff eventually turns full circle with revenue (search, ads, email, etc). But besides that point, if they want third party developers to walk up to their doorsteps, they need to offer something.

The stupid "cowardice" bs comment you made about the developers in question is the real sad part, given that it's not "cowardly" to want to be able to support your family at the end of the day. You kind to need to grow up if that's your attitude about this line of work. If a dev is just in it for the "exposure", there's always the FOSS scene.

 

Dead platform walking.

 

Promises made, promises broken.

 

Yes stadia is not a good idea. but parts of it are like the controller connecting directly to server.

If stadia was more like geforce now where you could play with games you already own or more like xcloud where you could play 100s of games for a netflix like fee i'd be in. But it isn't like that and for those reasons stadia will die off rapidly and no one will care. Ge force Now however has my interest.

 

The technology behind Stadia can be really useful in the CAD and 3D industry. In my opinion that's where we should see it succeed first and then maybe it will be ready for gaming. Definitely too soon at the moment.

 

IIRC Autodesk Fusion already does this - you can run i.e. simulations on Autodesk servers.

Just hope hmscott won't consider this message too off-topic

 

Stadia: "It's, like, kind of dumb, actually."

 

well yeah its kinda dumb...

I have a ultrabook with no graphics card and its pretty neat booting up the witcher 3 at max settings and having native like image quality and gaming experience.....but im rare..not many people will benifit for the time being

 

Stadia Free is now available, and you get a trial of Pro for two months if you sign up. If the poll in this IGN article is to be believed no one really cares.

 

Time to add Stadia to the Google Graveyard.



Question is, who is going to buy Google's streaming tech? Not Microsoft, NVIDIA, or Sony. Is there any chance Google will offer refunds or PC/Xbox/PlayStation codes to people who bought games on their platform when it ultimately does go under?

 

They are only shuttering the studio, not the platform itself. Though if it's losing a lot of money it's possible that might not be far behind medium term..

 

Don't want to be a downer, but the symptoms are there.
And now that the news are out about it losing money, there is potential it will have even more trouble attracting people. Who wants to spend money if the platform has a strong potential to go under?

 

I was all for stadia but forcing you to buy or re-buy the games is a no go..I passed as did everyone else...however the geforce now in the end ended up being the best...I am getting very low input lag and for free can game on my ultrabook.

 

stadia might be dead but we have ge force now and its nothing short of decent....almost no input lag and sharp with no hiccups and free....you guys check it out?

 

NVIDIA's workaround of Apple's limitations by making GeForce Now a progressive web app was a stroke of brilliance. Now you can use the service on any iOS device, and it works beautifully. I hope Microsoft does the same thing with XCloud, which will be the final nail in Stadia's coffin.

 

Yeah I had no expectations for geforce now but after trying it I bought an ultrabook lol....yeah not a super expensive one but I wanted to see what its like gaming on a ultrabook on the couch...and well I played a bit of witcher 3 and it looked good decent you know like 900p on a 1080p display....I was impressed but I think if they can figure out how to get it looking like 1080p I'd subscribe

 

reason for these pictures is the fact iv'e not used GN in 6months and it looks as though they fixed resolution it now looks 1 to 1 with native and I think on payday i'm going to subscribe....un real...also while moving I did not see any pixelation or artifacts, I have no clue as how they accomplished this....and if you don't believe me which ones are geforce now and which pictures are native .

 

with geforcenow which is better than a egpu i get 77fps average

 

also it looks like it supports epic games steam and uplay

 

I remember fondly arguing that the 50mbps was widely available yet people here argued costs and lack of speed. read below you guys are simply put wrong.

Speedtest Global Index – Monthly comparisons of internet speeds from around the world

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...me-unit-stadia-struggled-to-be-googley-enough

 

it is not sad...buy A old game again at 79.99 and you dont own it?????????? but with geforce now now thats damn good stuff