Graphics Card doesn't supporting OpenGL

Hi,
I need to know, if some graphics card doesn't support openGL (like Radeon 6770 cards in dynamic configuration mode), what will be the impact on gaming

1. Only intel grahics card will be used
2. Game will not run at all
3. Game will run on HD6770 without calling OpenGL functions
4. Any other possibilities

I am refering to games like Warcraft, Call of duty, Medal of Honor, Battle Field, Cysis etc.

Please advice as I want to buy HP-61XX series and they were not able to fix this issue.

R.
Gauiver

 

Most games have a Direct 3D mode as well as OpenGL. If the game is OpenGL only, it will run solely on the Intel chip. There is a BIOS fix in the works.

 

5. It will display garbage if some implementation is wrong and you'll have to lower settings/disable eyecandy.
6. It will run on OpenGL software renderer, using your cpu lol

Get a Nvidia card if you want better OpenGL support. 5750 can't even display some textures properly while 8600m can.

Where did you see Crysis and Battlefield that have OpenGL support?

 

I haven't seen an openGL non-mac game in a long time. The only game I know supports it is CS.

 

I see. So meaning if someone interested in gaming and yet OpenGL is not supported, we may buy dynamic configuration 6770 without waiting for the patch to be released by HP/AMD.

 

I'm not too sure what you're trying to say, but assuming you're not on a mac then gaming really shouldn't be a problem. Pretty much every windows game I've ever seen is written for directX. OpenGL is used more in thing like CAD.

 

And even in there, it's being slowly supplanted by DirectX, due to the stranger hardware limitations of OpenGL (or more specifically, OpenGL's limitations on Hardware, based on the type of Hardware).

 

this is not a complete list, but OpenGL is used in quite a few games and other programs in windows:

List of OpenGL programs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rage is a notable upcoming game that uses OpenGL. Any iD software title uses openGL.

3d modelling programs, some notable adobe programs, and a few 3d visualization programs (google earth, similar apps) use openGL. I would recommend getting a computer that has support for OpenGL. D3D is microsoft specific. If the world ends tomorrow and you have to switch to linux, you'll be out of luck. Further, there's no downside to getting hardware that has support for the open graphics library. It should not affect cost.

My quick Risk vs. Reward calculation definitely led me to believe you should get a card that supports OpenGL. Some new games, a variety of older games, and some high profile games soon to be released require OpenGL.

 

That list again. Almost every game on that list supports D3D as well.

 

It doesn't really matter. Even if the list isn't the proper source, there are still a variety of OpenGL only programs- some older, some recently released, and Rage is coming soon. There will be more OpenGL only programs in the future.

Since there is no downside to getting a GPU that supports OpenGL, you should.

 

The reason why many people choose to ignore the fact that that the 6770m doesn't support OpenGL is because it often tends to be a better performance/price deal than most of its counterparts that do support OpenGL.

If you don't need OpenGL, why bother?

 

Rage will not be OpenGL only. Check your information before you post. If the alternative at the price point is a computer with a GPU with lesser performance in D3D applications, I personally have no problem with taking the OpenGL issue, which will be fixed soon anyway.

 

Right now the HP reverts to the IGP for OpenGL apps/games. HP is supposed to be releasing a BIOS update to allow for fixed switchable graphics so you can choose either IGP or dedicated GPU which you could use with OpenGL. The card supports OpenGL, it's only that the auto switching drivers are borked at the moment.

Right now the only game that really is in contention is Minecraft. I don't know of any future games that will be OpenGL only besides Rage. And I think Rage will be OpenGL only:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/john-Carmack-DirectX-OpenGL-API-Doom,12372.html

 

I was going to say, I know for a fact that AMD GPUs support OpenGL. But if the switching drivers are screwed up... is there a way to right-click and "run with dedicated GPU" or something like that? I've heard that option may exist, but I don't have a switching machine myself so I don't know.

 

No, not yet. They're working on a BIOS and driver update to allow that. It's a stop gap until AMD fixes the drivers. The directX 9 support is also lacking.

 

Carmack has been seesawing on OpenGL in RAGE since it was announced years ago. Can't say I care as it looks like a pretty meh game anyway (it's like a racing game! In Fallout! YAY!).

Edit: Carmack is specifically talking about DX10/11 in that article. It was confirmed a while ago that Rage would support DX9.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/fe...ge_id_tech_6_doom_4_details_and_more?page=0,1

 

I still think there are plenty of options that have better support and are cheap. You might as well get something that works if you are investing hundreds of dollars.

 

No, there really aren't.

 

how much does that particular HP cost?

 

I returned my dv6t for a different computer. But I have done my shopping and for about 900 bucks I don't really think you can find a better deal out there from an OEM. It performs as good as the 555m which will cost you $$$ more.

 

I just saw a bunch of 555m laptops on newegg starting at $800. I'm sure there are plenty of other options, too.

 

$975. Find me a notebook with a quad core, 1080p, and a 6770/555M or better for under a K and I'll eat my hat.

 

They have to exist, you can get similar stuff for under $900.

 

Then you must be able to find one, right?

 

depends on how hard i'm willing to look. my stamina was approximately hunting through newegg. Asus would be a good place to look, but they have about 100 different models and I can't sort through them all.

To correct you, "one must be able to be found". While I am personally certainly capable of doing a more thorough search, I simply do not have the time or inclination. I stand firm that you should be able to find a computer comparable to the one HP offered with the 6770 in both price and specs, but with a graphics card that supports OpenGL.

 

It is hard to find the same bargain. You can get a Sager NP5165 with i7-2630QM, 4GB RAM, DVDRW, 1080p 15.6", GT 555m for $911 + $80 for Windows if you need it. But that doesn't come with the 6GB RAM and Blu-Ray that is standard on the HP.

The best any other manufacturer's offer is a GT 540m with similar configs and still costs over $1000, and most without blu-ray and with only 1366x768.

I have been looking for a similar machine for a while and the DV6 is the best bang for the buck at the moment at less than $1000.

 

You still technically found it. I'd be surprised if there weren't even more options.

 

I looked on Newegg, and the cheapest computer with a 6770 or 555 or better was...the dv6t-6190! The 555 equipped ones, all three of them, were over 1300.

 

Hmm, MSI gt660? its about 1000$

 

The only MSI GT660s I can find are out of stock and Arrandale based.

 

Trust me I have done an exhaustive search for a machine < $1000 with similar specs and they can't be found, period. Personally, I also wanted a machine that got at least 5 hours battery life, which added to difficulty but the 9-cell battery gets you over 6!

 

Newegg.com - lenovo IdeaPad Y570 (08622KU) Notebook Intel Core i7 2630QM(2.00GHz) 15.6" 6GB Memory DDR3 1333 750GB HDD 5400rpm DVD±R/RW NVIDIA GeForce GT 555M

looks like this one is close but doesn't have the right resolution. someone should probably have one with a 1920x1080 for slightly more and/or with slightly lower specs in other areas. Maybe smaller HDD or 4 GB of memory instead of 6.

I agree you won't find it on newegg.

 

Plus that Lenovo has the super gimped GT 555m that doesn't perform much better than a 540m.

 

The 555m on Lenovos are crippled and nowhere near the performance of a real 555m

So far the only comparable option was that Sager NP 5165. I just priced one out for $910 and it costs 80 additional bucks for 8 GB of RAM, you get like 400 GB less hard drive and it's 5400 RPM and more $ to upgrade, and 80 bucks more for the OS. This model or the XPS 17 may be worth it for the price range 1000-1150.

So I think the dv6t/dv6z is ideal for the price range 800-1000.

 

The 555m in the sager is gimped too. There really is no match for the DV6s performance and features at it's price. Granted, you do give up build quality though.

The OpenGL problem is overblown for most people anyway. Nearly all modern *Windows* games use DX9, and the older ones that don't can run fine on the Intel 3000. Plus, HP is going to release a fix anyway, so this'll be a non-issue soon enough.

 

I bet you can get a Asus G73JH for about $1000-1200 from somewhere...

 

The OpenGL problem is now fixed, go in peace.

 

HTWingNut's
HP DV6z 15" 1080p matte / A8-3530MX / 6755G2

got 20+ plus frame rate in Cinebench11.5 OpenGL test so it should work for games too.

Edit:Sorry the laptop tested was from abaddon4180