Gtx 280m Vs Sli 9800m Gt Vs Sli 8800m Gtx Vs 4870x2

4870 X2, we have only begun to tap the potential of its overclocking.

 

How is it we've begun with the tapping before 4870x2 have genuinely been put into a notebook? ;þ

 

well it hit 20,000 so we have only "begun"

 

until it burst into flames

 

Well maybe ASUS's Marketing Management Specialist, Marcus "Kinc" Hultin got to use the reference Mobility 4870s from ATI's to get that score but we don't have access to the cards in a notebook yet.

 

Whoaa nice setup.Post some benchmarks and such to see how the "new" m1730 performs.

 

so anyone who bought the new m17?

 

Okay I'm confused...let me get this straight...

A 1GB GTX 280M is a better card than a 1GB 9800M GTX? I thought it was vice versa?

 

GTX 280M is the new card, and should be at least 20% better than the 9800M GTX.

 

If that's the case, why did I see on Powernotebooks, that they're charging more for the 9800 over the 280?

They haven't updated their pricing structure yet? Doesn't make sense.

 

Essentially it is the 9800m GTX with a couple improvements:
Shaders: 112>128
Core Speed: 500MHz>585MHz
Shader Speed: 1250MHz>1463MHz
Memory Speed: 800MHz>950MHz
Chip: 65nm>55nm (smaller is better)



and the best part...the GTX 280m is at least $200 cheaper!

it is because 55nm chips are cheaper to produce than 65nm chips.

 

I doubt it'll be 200 cheaper. Nvidia is famous for overpricing. Especially when the GTX280M is on the top of the chain.

 

it is already cheaper. Check out Sager NP5797

 

Sager NP8662 is out, and the base config with P8600 and GTX 260M is only $1392.

 

The dell is still offering a penryn chip, that combined with the 8800 and 9800 being the same thing it seems like they are just looking to get rid of 1730s that didn't sell in 2007/2008.

 

And for $1700, I am willing to help them. I know you guys may think it is a stupid idea but I like a laptop more when it has higher 3dmark06/$ ratio. For example:
ASUS W90= 16000/2200= 7.27
XPS with 9800m sli = 14000/1790 = 7.81
Sager NP5797 with gtx 280m= 12500/1700 = 7.35
Gateway 7811 refurb = 9000/700=12.86 WINNER!!! (I dought and sold more than 100 of these including the 68 series) (Brand new price was $1400 which will get the ratio to 6.42 which was not that good over all)

You can add to the list if you want. LEts see if there are any other winners out there which can get to 10 points.

 

Yeah it is $200 bucks cheaper...at least on PowerNotebooks site, the Sager NP5793, you can have either one but the 9800 is $295 more.

 

I'm curious, as for how these setups would compare :

T9300+8800m GTX sli
P9500+4850 (single)
[email protected] +4850(single)
[email protected] +4850(single)

 

First setup would be the better performer.

 

would depend if the game supports quad core.

Personally I think the T9300+8800m GTX sli will win.

 

Most games are GPU limited therefore fastest GPU combo would be best, ie. first one.

 

Thanks... Then M1730 ought to last me good few years...

 

so east or west M17 is the best.

 

I wud like to stick with M1730 and hope they bring the new platform for it with the same base system.

 

xps m1730

nope.

true. they haven't changed really anything, but yet these cards still compete...

thank you ati!

think of it like this
over clocked 9800m single card no cpu but gpu over clock 13.6
over clocked gtx280m single card with cpu over clock and gpu over clock 15k+ (using a quad)

ask jlbrightbill
they are either 4800 series or rv770 they are all based off the same tech. and when they add gddr5 it's still going to be a rv770 or a 4800 series card.

it's a bit more than 2-5%. i have tested both cards...

i was thinking the same thing.
but add AA and the 9800 gtx is doomed, lets not hope this is the same with the gtx280m.

nice! cant wait to see what you come up with. in terms of testing.

dell might also take a stabe at the ati...who knows...

refer to jlbrightbill on this..

do to system wide over clocking and not just the cards by themselves. you can only over clock the 4800 series card by 50/100 mhz

nope. same machine like everyone else only his came with a qx9300 and probably an unlocked bios.

nope, gtx280m is better...

this is what the hope is for those looking to get it.

we shall see, since it's pretty cheap right now.

 

doesnt ATi current pricing forced Nvidia to lower their mobile GPU price?
I wonder when 280M GTX come out, what will be the price of 9800M GTX...
can it drop to a level of... let say... $300 per card like ATI HD3870?
what do you think?

 

Not necessarily. The 9800M GTX's will still sell among owners who have motherboards that are incompatible with the GT2XXXs.

You might see a drop, but not necessarily by a lot.

 

your probaly right. since the new gtx has a different pcb board to fit in the new laptops...it might stay just about the same....
(speculation of course)

 

but more heat I guess and more cooling.

 

nope. same heat and same cooling. it's the same exact setup i have on my gtx's now.

 

You mean you OCed your 9800M GTX to the level of GTX 280M?
But I thought 280M GTX (although just a renamed 9800M GTX+) add some little "extras" like smaller die or something?

 

im sorry..i was talking about the outside card stuff

but yes, the gtx280m is 128 sp's/55nm die/585-950-1463 clocks

 

It does, unless I'm wrong the 9800m GTX is 112sp's and the GTX 280m is 128sp's.

 

yep, that's what this was about--> gtx280m is 128 sp's/55nm die/585-950-1463 clocks so you are not wrong.

 

wait...do you already have the NP5797? with GTX 280m?

 

^^
I think no one have 280M yet...

btw, is the mobile GPU ranking in notebookcheck.net correct?
I mean, single 280M above HD 3870 X2 ???
say it ain't so...

 

Notebookcheck can be useful, especially when it comes to technical specifications. However, it's ranking system is dubious, to say the least. It appears to be based on aggregate 3dmark06 scores, regardless of CPU or resolution. This means that scores can be seriously skewed in some cases.

 

ya 4 me 88mor 98m sli will beat 280m to death but nbcheck shows 280m superior to both.

 

so what is the correct ranking between:
Nvida 9800M GTX SLI, ATI 3870 X2, ATI 4870 X2, and single 280M GTX?

 

i'd put 4870x2>9800m gtx sli>3870x2>single 280m
they are basicly all in the same class, so it's just unfair to compare cf sli solutions with a single card.

 

Tough, considering the GT280M isn't out yet.

I'm going to go with GT280M < ATI 3870 X2 < 9800M GTX SLI < ATI 4870 X 2.

Note that technically none of these cards are out in their mobile form aside from the 9800M GTX SLI, since the ATI 3870s out now are CF'd, not 3870X2 and the same applies to the ATI 4870s in the W90vp.

 

well, I didn't mean to be unfair to GTX 280M. I just want to know the correct ranking since notebookcheck.net put single GTX 280M above several SLI and CF GPU.

I know 3870 X2 and 4870 X2 is CF and not a "dual-core". But ATI and notebookcheck.net wrote it as X2. And that's why I wrote it X2 too.

 

A little out of topic but still on topic...

Can we combine different Nvidia/ATI cards as SLI/CF in notebook?

Example:
SLI of 9800M GTX + 8800M GTX in Clevo D901C

OR

CF of 3870 + 4850 in Arima W840-DI

 

nope, won't work.

Notebook check reviews:

PRO: Some rankings are based on "real" game performance...the stuff that matter. The GTX 280m ranked that high because of real gaming performance. Which is why even though the GTX 280m scored 11k+, it is ranked higher than dual cards with higher 3DMark06 scores.

CON: Some other rankings are based on averaged 3DMark06 scores. This means different CPU, resolution, times the score was given, etc. will distort the average and give false rankings.

 

there are no single cards scoring higher than that stock no over clocked gtx280m. and remember. that is one card not two.

 

3 cards in one laptop
imm just gonna say no......heat, power, and the fact have never seen a laptop with 3 mxm slots

 

well, not 3 mxm slots but 2 mxm slots and one onboard gpu
toshiba sli model with two 9800m gts and one 9400m
m980nu with two gtx280s and one on board 9400m
3 gpus..

 

Dude, i'm not saying 3 GPUs... but combining different GPU model to form SLI or CF in a laptop. Like:

8800M GTX + 9800M GTX
instead of
9800M GTX + 9800M GTX

IIRC, in desktop PC, we can make CF configuration from different Radeon models.

Hybrid SLI right? interesting though that MS didnt support it in Windows 7 and the fact that they dont want to support it.

 

and you can technically run two different cards, but not sure about one ati and the other nvidia.
but you could not run them in sli or crossfire, but could use the second card for a dual monitor or as a physx card for nvidia and ati's version of physx.(speculation of course)

 

aren't it that if you run sli or cf with different cards the higher card will have to drop it's spec down to the lower card to match it ?