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    Gtx 660m

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Oats04, Jan 11, 2012.

  1. Oats04

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    At CES, Lenovo intruduced their Y580 which is equipped with a gtx 660m.

    IdeaPad Y580 Specs, Reviews, & Latest News | Lenovo | The Verge

    A huge upgrade from the gimp gt 555m from the y570, same thickness at 1.4 in and same weight at 5.95 lbs

    I tried to look up the gtx 660m and apparently its the "successor" to the 560m, not necessarily rebranded. according to Nvidia 28nm Mobile GPU Plans Revealed | Best Gaming Laptop

    the gtx 660m would score 14,000 on 3d mark vantage.

    When this comes out is this the best graphcis card you can get for a 6 pound machine?
     
    Oats04, Jan 11, 2012
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    I'm pretty skeptical about literally all of this.
     
    hockeymass, Jan 11, 2012
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    If this were true it would finally mean that one could buy a laptop and be able to play the newest games at high settings, without having to pay a fortune for it and fear of overheating components.
     
    Partizan, Jan 11, 2012
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    I'm game :D

    In only a matter of less than a year, my GTX 460m is obsolete.
     
    alexUW, Jan 11, 2012
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    Which is exactly why I'm skeptical of it. This would be close to something equipped with a 570M for under 900 bucks.
     
    hockeymass, Jan 11, 2012
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    14k vantage? thats 6990M at stock!
     
    long2905, Jan 11, 2012
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    i thought there was going to be no 6xx from nvidia. i call bs on this.
     
    aintz, Jan 11, 2012
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    What? Why wouldn't there be a 6 series?
     
    hockeymass, Jan 11, 2012
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    because 660 is close to 666 which is the number of the beat and the owner of Nvidia is christian? nuff said
     
    MSIfanboy, Jan 11, 2012
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    guess we just wait and see
     
    Oats04, Jan 11, 2012
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    The spec page clearly says that the 660m is optional.

    It doesn't make sense for a notebook to start at $900 and then give you an optional 660m upgrade for free does it? More likely $900 is for the base model and you you'll have to pay quite a bit to upgrade the GPU and CPU.
     
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    i like how its much lighter than an asus g53 and an msi 663 and slightly less than the clevo p150hm. I don't like how its still pretty thick.

    A newgen gpu 660m comparable to a last gen 580m and 6990m which is pretty cool and very beleivable. this just means that msi,clevo,asus,alienware will have anywhere from a 660m-680m on their machines just like they are currently.
     
    Oats04, Jan 11, 2012
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    Sorry Tonto, didn't read the whole thing.
     
    hockeymass, Jan 11, 2012
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    Wrong post. Please delete this one.
     
    Cloudfire, Jan 11, 2012
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    But... but I wanted the "eddie edition" with the "bruce dickinson" fan setup ;)
     
    ganzonomy, Jan 11, 2012
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    well for desktop there isnt 6xx for a fact. kepler is 7xx.

    im not sure of the exact reasoning but probably because nvidia previous released a bunch of 6xx chipsets.
     
    aintz, Jan 11, 2012
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    Uhhhh...what? Kepler is the 6 series. There are some 6 series GPUs based on Fermi. There are always rebadged GPUs in every series. The GTX 6s will be Kepler.
     
    hockeymass, Jan 11, 2012
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    I'd have to see it to believe it. 660m having almost 2x the performance of a 560m is too good to be true, as much as I'd like it to be.
     
    ValkerieFire, Jan 11, 2012
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    does not sound so good to me am getting 10250 vantage point on my 5850 with a simple I Q740 cpu. How can 14000 be twice the power of the 560?
     
    MSIfanboy, Jan 11, 2012
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    almost impossible to be true, infact it is not true, their gtx 680m is supposed to score 20k (which is still crazy) but I am sure 660m will score the half of it (as it does right now 580m/560m comparison), I think 660m will score 10k, which is still very good at stock speeds for a mainstream card
     
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  22. Karamazovmm

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    I think you are missing that the 560m already scores around 10k on vantage
     
    Karamazovmm, Jan 11, 2012
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  23. maxheap

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    I don't think so, that is an overclocked 560m, it scores 8-9k on average
     
    maxheap, Jan 11, 2012
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    so ur saying my 5850 is as good as a 560?
     
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    You should be able to expect at least 50% more performance from a new generation, because keep in mind this isn't like the 4XX --> 5XX series transition. This is more like 2XX --> 4XX, which represented a fairly big leap in performance. I don't have the numbers and don't plan to look them up, but you can do so easily enough to confirm (or refute) that assertion.

    So imho the GTX 660M should perform anywhere from 40% to 50% better than its predecessor, the GTX 560M.

    EDIT: So I looked up the numbers and it's anywhere from 30-50%. Also, an interesting trend: the GTX 460M met or exceeded performance of GTX 280M, and the GTX 560M met or exceeded the performance of the GTX 480M. Notice anything? I wouldn't be surprised to see a GTX 660M that competes evenly with the GTX 580M.
     
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    Notebookcheck.net Tech is totally fake

    according to my score my GPU score is 9700 :)
     
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    Well if you overclock your card, you get higher scores...duh

    But I was under the impression everyone is talking about stock clock rates.
     
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    well duh even at stock clock i have 8200 so notebookcheck is totally fake

    OC i get 10250 and this is all with a old Q740 cpu. If 660GTX gets 10k unclocked with a newer CPU i can still beat it with my clocks which is just sad
     
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    [​IMG]
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/484905-hp-envy-17-17-3d-1xxx-series-owners-lounge-142.html
     
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    hat is the DDR3 version of the 5850 which is almost twice as slow and i guess maybe that website notebookcheck uses the DDR3 version for their teste as well, than stuff makes a little more sense.

    It still however does not jutify that the 660 will score only 10.000 i think it will be more like 13-14k unclocked
     
    MSIfanboy, Jan 11, 2012
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    Yea i agree. If it only scores 10k, whats the point of the new generation? the 660m scoring the same as 580m/6990m makes perfect sense.
     
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    Notebookcheck tested the MSI GX640 with GDDR5. It got a GPU score of 7089. Still not 10k. It got 1200 more than DDR3. But DDR3 version is far from twice as slow ;)
     
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    as i said Notebookcheck is fake i get 8200 unclocked and 10250 with stable gaming clock
     
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    link and screenshot please. But really? is this what this topic is about?
     
    long2905, Jan 11, 2012
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    GTX 480M is not the predecessor of GTX 580M... the predecessor is GTX 485M, compare the performance to that (which is WAY better than 560M, 485M is like %30 better than 560M), also 55nm to 40nm was a big performance leap but 40nm to 28nm is not that big, 660M will score below 11-12k, but time will tell :) anyway as soon as 680M is out there an upgrade is in order :)
     
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    since when 5850m has 900 stock clock? also this is severely overclocked, we want non-clocked screenshot of 8K vantage of 5850m
     
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    the only notable increases in the nvidia line up were the 8800gtx and 485m, everything in between has been an incremental increase in mhz.

    i kinda find it hard to believe that we will have such an increase so soon after the 485m.
     
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    I see your point.

    However the time between the GTX 485M and 580M was <= 6 months, whereas the time between 480M and 580M was around 1 year. Less time between releases doesn't necessarily correlate directly with the amount of development time, but there is certainly a relationship there.

    Additionally, the 580M is essentially an overclocked 485M imo, and offers performance fitting that description. It has nearly identical architecture from my (admittedly uninformed) point of view. Furthermore its 3dmark vantage scores are <10% greater than the 485M, which are the sorts of gains I achieved when I overclocked my GTX 260M.

    What I'm trying to say is that we're not just going to see an overclocked 580M when we finally lay our hands on GTX 600 GPUs. Instead we will find an entirely new (presumably better) architecture with corresponding gains in performance.

    EDIT:
    • Differences between 8800M GTX, 9800M GTX, GTX 260M, 280M, and 285M were marginal. But the leap from all of those to the GTX 4XX series was much more substantial.
    • GTX 4XX to 5XX might not have been a big deal, but I wager that just as the 8/9/200 ---> 4XX transition was pretty significant, the 4XX ---> 6XX transition will be similarly major.
    • If I were to speculate further, I'd say that 6XX ---> 7XX transition will be like 4XX ---> 5XX, ie gains of no more than 15-20%, but that the next leap to 8XX (if they keep the naming scheme) (this'd be Maxwell, I presume) would be a pretty big deal.

    It's like Intel's tick-tock cycle, if you look at it from this point of view.
     
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    500m family is a power optimized version of 400m series, all the cards are the same chip of their predecessors except they are higher clocked because of the power optimization..

    about the difference I also believe it will be a good one (well above 20% for all respective cards), but to hope that the GTX560M which scores 8k in vantage, will score 14k as GTX660M, is I think being too optimistic, that means it will be somehow 75% boosted with the same power consumption? Kepler is not this big of news, Kepler will offer similar performance at lower power consumption, after all this is what Nvidia claims, they should know it better then we do, right?
     
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    There will also be GTX 670m, 675m and 680m
     
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    A 675M would be really awkward
     
    long2905, Jan 12, 2012
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    Why????????????
     
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    Because you can overclock it and have a 680m..

    Anyway Memory Interface: 660m 126bit, 670m 192bit, 675m/680m 256bit
     
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    well, that's a good thing, right?
     
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    Sort of but the 680m certainly has more headroom to overclock more
     
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    its highly unlikely to have a 6x5 card, they only made 485m to make up for the lost flagship 480m couple of years back. i think in naming they will just go with the normal 660, 670 and 680 mobile series like the 5xx series.
     
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    Hah. Like said earlier in this thread, this GPU have been major overclocked. GPU clock default is not 900 MHz. It is 625MHz. Same with memory, it is not default 1100 it is 1000 MHz. You are overclocking the GPU core from 625 to 1015MHz (is that even possible?) and memory from 1000 to 1200MHz.

    And that screenshot is not from you. It is from DaneGRClose and it have been posted here FS/FT: Alienware M15x Lunar Silver, 1080p, i5, 5850 - [H]ard|Forum
     
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