HD2600XT vs 8600GT AT LAST!!!

Hi there!

Ive just heard that the Toshiba A2001GB which comes with the ATI hd2600XT is already shipping!!

Does this card outperforms the 8600GT found in the Dell 1520 or ACER 5920?

THANKS!

 

yes i think it does outperform the 8600 GT

 

Just curious, why would you say at last when you didn't post any benchmarks =/

The HP HDX has been out for awhile now but no benchmarks have been posted.

 

thats because no one wants to buy it. (huge expensive 17" machine with a 15" gaming card)

the hd 2600 xt should par the 8600m gt.

from the desktop benchmarks (which should pretty much represent the difference between the mobile benchmarks) the ati card hits par with the 8600m gt except for certain games - most notably FEAR. hopefully thats a driver issue that will be resolved. Company of Heroes in dx10 was made with only ati in consideration, so that benchmark does very well for ati. some of the other dx10 patch games are made for nvidia only. im sure the *real dx 10 games like bioshock will perform well on both.

also, anytime you turn on anti aliasing on the hd 2600 xt it just plummets.

so to recap: the 8600m gt beats out the ati card on some games due to apparent driver issues. the reverse is true for ati also. anytime you enable anti aliasing the 8600m gt will win.

read it for yourself:

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/powercolor_hd_2600_xt_review/9.html

keep in mind the desktop and laptop cards are functionally the same and only slightly underclocked compared to the desktop versions. therefore, these benches - or other desktop benches - should hold true.

 

Masterchef341: Comparing desktop cards to laptop cards is a bad idea. For example the desktop 7600 blew the x1600 out of the water but in notebooks the x1600 was better then the 7600.

Its just better not to speculate and just wait for the benchmarks

 

yeah, but the desktop 7600 was fundamentally different. they were similar, but the desktop version had more pixel pipelines and such.

in this generation, the only difference between a desktop 8600 gt and an 8600m gt is the clock speed. the same is true for the mobility hd 2600 xt and the desktop hd 2600 xt. the only difference is clockspeed. and the clock speeds are not very far away. that is my point.

 

The mobility hd2600 is more powerful than the 8600 gt

 

can you back that up with sources (like i have towards the opposite conclusion)?

 

I found an example that shows that the HD2600 is about on par with the 8600GT, give or take situations where each slightly beats eachother, but about the same. Guru3D even gives 8600GT some props...personally I prefer ATI but I got myself the 8600M 512MB GT since it seemed to be superior of the two.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/hardwarecanuck-reviews/1778-ati-hd2600xt-performance-preview.html

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/440/19

 

Sorry I couldn't find your mobility 8600gt/2600xt reviews, maybe its my browser. Could you repost them?

edit: Oh ok found it, didn't see the edited post . Yea thats all desktop stuff though, doesn't really show anything. In the end its all going to come down to clock speeds I think, we've already seen how much better the 8600gt performs with higher speeds. I really want to know what the x2600xt is clocked at and if 65nm makes a difference towards power consumption/temperatures.

 

from what i read, the power consumption is similar at load. however, at idle, the ati card should have better power consumption by a few watts, which is nothing to laugh at. temps should be about the same. as long as there isn't a crippled hd 2600 xt mobility version out there they should both match up about par for performance.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-2600-XT.3770.0.html

theres info on the 2600xt, its deff clocked higher than the gddr3 version of the 8600m gt

 

yeah, but that doesn't matter at all. thats like comparing athlons to pentiums by clocks.

what matters is the relationship between the desktop clocks to the mobile clocks on both parts.

 

i was just stating it had higher clocks, i dont recall mentioning anything about the difference in performance

 

i thought you meant:

it is clocked higher, therefore it is faster.

my mistake.

i'd really like to see some benchmarks so we don't have to rely on notebookcheck... or 3dmark... bagh.

i think the desktop comparison is the best available at the moment.

 

The HP HDX scores a 4000pts on 3Dmark06 with a T7700 so it's safe to assume the score is between the 8600MGT and the 8700, just like in desktop it's between the 8600GT and GTS

We can't really compare the mobility 2600 with the desktop one' clocks right now since the M76 is based on the R600 (HD 2900) and the not R610 (HD 2600)

1 thing is almost sure though, a GDDR3 mobility 2600XT will beat a DDR2 8600M GT

 

thats very possible. i think it should compete directly with (and par) the gddr3 8600m gt.

 

Emm... i dunno how did u imagined that the HDX is 17". It's actually 20.1", and the Toshiba A200 is also not a 17", it's a 15.4" You got both wrong.

The HD 2600XT actually utilise GDDR 4

 

desktop uses gddr4 not laptop.

 

Opps... hehe

 

There is a GDDR3 AND a GDDR4 desktop 2600XT. Even though the GDDR4 has double bandwith straight out of the box than GDDR3 and is clocked 1ghz higher, it's not that much more performant.

The GDDR4 edition is a limited one anyway

 

i was just referring to the hdx, i guess i forgot it was actually even more of a monstrosity.

i sort of pushed it aside the second i saw it so im sorry it wasn't in my front brain lol.

i assumed the new one was 15" but i didn't check or make a statement about it.

 

When I think about it, it might just be the HD 2600 that the C90 will get .

But it is not crippled like the 8600GS so we could still OC it.

 

Why does AA kill performance on the 2xxx series so badly?

 

heres what we should do. Ask the HP people that ordered their hp 8510p to do a benchmark test on it. It has a 2600 HD not XT. and they may do gaming tests on it too

 

Because the Geforce FX/6/7/8 have a memory unit on the card that does AA and AF while the Radeon have it directly with all theo ther things.

Since the FX series, AF is almost free on the geforce

 

the HD2600 is beat out ALOT by the 8600M gt..., but the 2600xt takes down the 8600M gt... the 8700 takes them both... (offtopic)

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

i kno its not rele the most reliable comparison... but hey.. its something

 

no no no.

there should be a forum rule against linking/referencing notebookcheck

its garbage.

i have said it a million times. 8600m gs = mobility hd 2600, 8600m gt = mobility hd 2600 xt.

watch it happen and be surprised, even though there is no reason to.

 

sorry for being rude earlier chef, does anyone have an HDX or 8510p? i hate speculation, this happened with the 8000 series, it was worked up to be so good and it did not meet our speculation, i agree the 2600xt will be on par or marginally better than the 8600m gt(gddr3)

 

notebookcheck should check itself before it wreaks itself!

I'll shut up now, but seriously notebookcheck is terrible a reference.

And who says the 8 series didn't meet everyones expectations? It met mine.

 

i only linked it for the clock speeds, what is so bad about it?

 

Ill go ask in the HP forum if anyone has one yet and see if they'll give us some benchmarks or hwen they get it

 

it is as horrible as pirates of the caribbean 3.

basically their methods of obtaining their results are highly inaccurate and of unclear. some of their tests are done at different resolutions lol. that obviously nullifies them. and some of their cards are obviously out of order on the performance charts

 

ROFL, pirates sucked

Yeah, you're right, because they say the HD is worse than the 8600 GS, but then when you click on it for more info, it says its better.

 

Why don't we just wait until someone posts a review of the HP HDX. If they make a review on, it's for sure they'll post benchmarks of the mobility HD 2600 XT..

 

THANK YOU!!!!!!!

Or people could do one on the 8510p which would help too

 

just saying "SOME" people complained because it didnt meet THEIR expectations, personally, it probably rapes my x700 and i dont think my x700 is all that bad, so it would be more than enough for me

 

It doesn't meet expectations because everyone was told that it would be on par with the go 7900GT/7950GTX. It turned out that the 8600GT that everyone was so hyped about got it's ass kicked in performance in every test by the 7900GS at any decent rez.

I can't say anything about the MR HD2600XT yet, since it was only used in a Slightly more mobile desktop, notebook.

I think AMD sortof skipped this series. There's been word of them working on the R700's since long before the 2xxx cards. They're said to have DisplayPort as a standard, along with HDMI and dual DVI, and replace the Svideo port entirely in thier desktop cards. Hopefully this translates to notebooks as well.

 

Benchmark of 2600XT VS 8600GT


http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3023&p=6

its the desktop versions but mobile version performance difference should be similar.

 

8600GT didn't get whooped by 7900GS in every test, in Oblivion, Stalker and Rainbow and most likely GRAW 2 it always performed much better than a 7900GS.

 

The 8600GT is about a 7800GTX 256MB and the 8600GTS about a 7950GT.

EVeryone is disapointed because the 8600GT didn't perform as good as the 7950GTX just because the 7600GT was a strong as the 6800Ultra

 

The 8600GTS OC isn't even as strong as the 7900gs...

 

thats not true, 7950GT performs much better than a 8600GTS. Other than games like Oblivion, Stalker, Rainbow Vegas, etc 8600GTS performs basically on par with a 7900GS.

People were disappointed because 8600GT or 8600GTS failed to perform better than last generation's high end cards like the X1950gt,pro,xt or X1900xt, the 7950gt etc. People were also disapointed because x1950gt,pro, xt etc were bascially selling for the same price as a 8600GT and cheaper than a 8600GTS.

 

8600GTS tend to perform either on par or better than a 7900GS

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2975&p=3

 

Guys I'm not talking about the first benchmarks (drivers 101.xx) but with the july one, where perfs increased a LOT,

And the 8600GT is now $110 and the GTS $150

You can also check tomshardware's charts, the scores aren't accurate at all but the order is there,