HELPPPP, if anyone can help here!!! GTX 560M

Greetings all,

i have to wonder if it is possible to replace a GTX 560M in a Qosmio that have a MXM type 3-B with a GTX 670M ?
Anyone done that ? i have done tons of research on both & they are identical in the card shape, TDP, power consumption & bus support...
But is it possible? please help me my dear friends .... i dont want to kill my laptop

 

Hardware wise - Yes. But be very cautious that 670M is hotter than 560M so the cooling system in your 775 might not be able to cool the GPU properly down like it does with the 560M.
Atleast check the temperatures a lot in the first days. MXM 3.0B can do up to 100W TDP GPU. Thats for the socket, not for the system,

Software wise - Maybe. I don`t know if Toshiba have a whitelist of which GPUs it will detect. So your X775 might not reckognize the 670M GPU. Your best bet would be to get a hold on the 670M you find in X875 since it have Toshiba`s own vbios. Any other 670M like Clevo, Dell, MSI etc it might not detect cause its a different brand (different vbios).

So to summarize, maybe.

 

The Qosmio X775 certainly supports a standard MXM 3.0 Type B card. How hot is the current card running? If it is already peaking at 90-95C, you may be facing thermal limitations.

IMO, spending the $200 for a GTX 670M would not be worth it. The 670M is basically a GTX 570M (40 nm Fermi opposed to current 28 nm Kepler) with an extra 25 MHz overclocked on the core clock speed, and I would estimate only 15-20% performance increase over the GTX 560M. I would look at the 670MX or 675MX at least for the die shrink to keep the temperatures within control and still have a significant performance increase for the investment.

 

I agree with the above, 675MX would be ideal. Same heat if not cooler, same power requirements and a hell more quicker than 670M

But also there it might be software limitations.

 

You're totally right ... in both software & hardware theory ....
lol, thats whats killing me!
i contact the Toshiba support that have the X870 ... they told me they will sell the GPU to me if i buy the whole entire motherboard with the CPU, GPU & RAMs ... a total cost of 800$ ... lol. lame!
plus the vbios of the GTX 560M that i have now is v2.1 ... can i flash the bios back in anyway ?

Ok ... my thermal reading is 73-81c maxed.
i was looking for the 670M coz the next gen of Qosmio's X770 is the X870 that have the GTX 670M which snap'd to my head that i can upgrade my laptop with that card no problemo!
But, the next GPU card is the GTX 675M or further have higher TDP, Temps & the most important thing is the Power Consumption that all reaches the 100w!
I need your help all to do me a favor to seek the truth with me

Here is the review on both cards.

GTX 560M
GTX 670M

Here is the review on both cards.

GTX 560M
GTX 670M

posted it twice .... sorry guys.

In the case for all gaming laptops, i think ... i say I THINK that having a internal power supply limits us to have with its range of power to replace any other gpu, is that right ?
i mean if your laptop have a gpu that have TDP of 75w like the GTX560M, you cant switch to something with a TDP of 100w, right? i think the system wont boot or the screen wont turn on ?
Whats your opinion guys ?

 

Buy 670M from ebay. Get the Toshiba 670M vbios from the X870 owners. Flash your 670M with it. You now have a Toshiba 670M. Pray your notebook will detect it.

Buy GTX 675MX from Ebay or 670MX, try it in your notebook? Does it work? No, you are screwed.

 

Well upgrademonkey charges 15% restocking fee for refunds due to incompatibility.. Something to think about.

 

Well, from everything I've read, the Qosmio x775 series already has potential thermal throttling problems [most likely due to the single-fan cooling design; it's Qosmio predecessors had 2 fans]. There has also been many BIOS updates to "help" with the throttling problems of the x775. Also, I do know the x875 also has a single-fan with a GTX 670m; but I am unsure if the throttling problems remain or are resolved.

I only bring up the above points, considering your going to put a "beefier" and "hotter" GPU into a laptop that already has marginally adequate cooling. IMO, your GPU may work but if it has "heating" issues, you won't be able to game with it very effectively.

 

Ah good to know for OP. Then it might be worth the try

 

Its true that the GTX 670M is hooter than the 560M, but still .... why did they place that card into a single fanned laptop? Your're totally right about the design, You know, i one had your laptop, but for my total idiotic thoughts of '' wanting to get the 3D version & play Crysis 2 like never before '' killed me & my Qosmio x505, which was the best laptop i had after the Alienware 15x GTX 260M.

Thanks all for your effort into this. :thumbsup:

For some reasons, i dont think my x770 have thermal throttling problem, due to that i spend last night doing stress tests on it for an hour & a half, and got me to throttle & laged the crap of the 560M, at a maxed temp of 82c ?!!? ?

I messed up with the core/mem & last it to 662/1100 ... lol & i still throttle !

bah !

i think i'll go to the Toshiba service center & laugh at them for that, and tell them to give me the 670M for a go!
i pray for that to work.

wish me luck guys. that experience will HELP a lot of guys having that problem.

What seems to get the throttling problem in here ?
I was read about a guy who got a 560M into his Alienware M15x ... what a lucky person that got his card the max out of it like no other card i've seen!

Will it work without throttling if i pump into the 560M more volts ? can anyone confirm it ? can someone show me how to flash gpu/vbios & do the volts ?
Thnx in advance :thumbsup:

Edit : My 560M seems to have only 2 modes of voltages :

1. 0.82v
2. 0.97v ?

is that normal ? can we go more/less to fix the throttle?

 

You may want to check what AlexUW mentioned too and make sure you are using the latest BIOS from Toshiba. Have you ran a stress test? Get FurMark and run it for an hour. Check and see if the clock speed remains consistent along with the GPU load. If the core clock speed fluctuates, then the GPU is downclocking.

 

Many x775 owners have stated the 1.10 BIOS [original release BIOS] does not throttle the laptop. However, since the 1.10 BIOS it is considerably older, the Toshiba Support Page may not have it listed.
Toshiba Laptop Support homepage - Toshiba

But as was stated above, the latest BIOS may also improve your throttling.
Good luck

 

Here is my problem in pics :

Normal state of laptop running:


And within few mins/secs this happens:


I think you got my problem .... the core/memory drops along with the fps ... & the use of the laptop slows down with that decremented thing.
Any ideas ?

About vBios 1.1v ... i want a way to get it into my laptop to get rid of the throttle .. its the only way because what i read about it that is : '' the EC neglects the GPU/CPU over usage while the system is under load which is the Answer to my problem! ''

My temp never maxed 80-82c ... so i dont think its a thermal problem ... what do you think guys out of these feedings?

Btw, what do you understand out of this ? Here.

Can anyone flashes my vbios ? its v2.1 now ...

 

The BIOS is throttling the system, whether it be due to specificied thermal limit or power draw. As AlexUW advised, I would try different BIOS to see if any of them improves it. There's software that may be able to keep this from happening (Tech Inferno's Throttle Stop), but this may worsen the heat buildup in your system.

 

How much worse could the heat hit ?
I just played Crysis 3 for 2 hours, tried different core/mem settings & they all throttle ... except for 662/1250 ... lol which is DOWN clocking my card ... lame.
Yes, you are right ... if i get my hands on vbios 1.1, it'll fix it all ! but how ? mine is higher than that & my system wont let me install the older one. any other way to do it ?

 

Btw, i noticed that my temp while playing Crysis 3 went up to 87c ... lol?
Is that dangerous ?

 

New Update ...
I removed the old thermal paste & put a new one, lol 2-3c lower ... lame.
About the throttling, i noticed that the GPU backs to its '' Idle '' core/mem reading for secs ... then backs to its normal state ... weird ?
I need a way to force the GPU to stay in its stock core/mem settings ...
Anyone help ?

 

Have you tried flashing a different BIOS from Toshiba?
Try running Throttle Stop?
Using nVidia Inspector and setting the idle and 2D clocks to match the 3D clock would work, but admittedly it's a half-baked fix and only causes your laptop to run hotter and consume more power for no good reason.

 

Show me how to use them please.

 

I used the Throttle Stop 5 for like 50 mins on Crysis 3, i played on stock core/mem 775/1350 ... but then it throttled and the temp were insanely hit 92c .... ? its dangerous at that level for more time play, isnt it ?

 

92C is high but not life threatening to the GPU. Since you have already done a repaste on the GPU, I would make sure the rest of heatsink assembly itself is clean and any ventilation on the casing is not obstructed. I would be curious as to how well a GTX 660M or 670MX would benefit for you in terms of keeping the temperature down without taking a hit in performance.

 

I would lovvvvvve to see that myself...
I saw a thread about a guy who talked to a Toshiba support guy that made a swap between a 560M to a 570/580M which worked like a charm with no problem ..... i wonder it its worth it.
Damn i want to do that ...

 

Since you are already having temperature issues, you need to get away from the Fermi-based cards. The 570 and 580 would make your situation worse, that's why we're recommending the 670MX. I would imagine even the 660M would still perform as good as the GTX 560M.

 

You're absolutely right.
The Fermi family is a power hunger & heat producer with no good, The Kepler is smaller with low heat/power demanding.
But can my vBios sees them ?

 

I'm noticing some X775 owners switching to different cards and able to boot successfully, which means your vBIOS is on the card itself and not part of the BIOS. Chances are as long as your X775's card follows the standard MXM 3.0 form factor, you should be able to use a card from Alienware or Clevo notebooks. From what was mentioned by a few members earlier, make sure the seller will accept returns in case something doesn't work out as planned.

 

Since im changing the card, if i get a 680M, will that go ?

 

Another theory, what if i killed the vbios chip on the 560M ...lol? will that work as well ?

 

It'll fit, but you're back to the overheating issue and spending a lot of money at the same time. The 560M is a 75 watt TDP card, so you need something that is ideally less. The 680M is a 100 watt TDP card and will turn your casing into molten goo.

That's not a good idea. Killing the vBIOS would effectively kill the card. Keep it as a spare if this works out or sell it to get at least $100 back.

 

After some research i found out that my vBios is installed within the systems bios itself, i used GPU-Z and its got me a msg '' readings is not supported '' which is freaking annoying like hell, any way to override that system bios and fix that or mod it ?

 

Do you guys have by any change a vbios for x775/GTX 560M at hand? I want to flash an allienware card, after my original card failed. Thank you.