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    HURRAY: Nvidia 600 series not just Fermi!! (Kepler)

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Mar 2, 2012.

  1. Cloudfire

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    [​IMG]

    Had big trouble getting this information out of the source, since I had to manually translate everything and the pictures were hidden. Anyhow, WE HAVE KEPLER IN THE 600 SERIES :D

    GT 640M, GT 650M, GTX 660M and GTX 680M are the upcoming Kepler GPUs from Nvidia. All the rest in the 600 series are the previous generation, Fermi. GT 610M, 630M and 635M have been identified as Fermi. GTX 670M is a 570M with slightly higher shader clocks and GTX 580M have changed name to 675M and the two are identical in specifications

    Now lets see some Keplers shall we?! :)
    Some screenshots of the Samsung Q470 with GT 650M with DDR3
    [​IMG]

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    The same laptop tested at 1366*768 with 3DMark06:
    [​IMG]

    Here is the Samsung Q470 with the GT 650M tested with 3DMark 11 (It is the DDR3 version tested):
    [​IMG]

    The laptop in his posession:
    [​IMG]


    Kepler GTX 660M with GDDR5 screenshot:
    [​IMG]

    Kepler GTX 650M with GDDR5 screenshot:
    [​IMG]

    Windows experience index of GTX 660M (I think):
    [​IMG]

    The notebook with these GPUs are the Lenovo Y480/Y580
    [​IMG]

    Y580 comes with a 3610QM Ivy Bridge processor
    [​IMG]

    And a 1080p display
    [​IMG]

    Kepler GPUs will also have turbo boost and hyper threading for efficient and energy saving modes. Here are a sneak peak of it. Name is unknown
    [​IMG]
     
  2. maxheap

    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    so 384 shaders scores 11710 on 3dmark6?? and on top of that gt 650m will beat gt 670m with a decent overclock, HIGHLY doubt it...

    dudes, THESE are FAKE shots, come ON, let's just wait until the release :)

    (Still thanks for the info cloudfire, +rep)
     
  3. too456

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    There's actually nothing in the screenshots that proves the GT650m uses a Kepler core :)
    Also, my GT540m with 96 unified shaders can get 9k+ on 3DMark06 stock so the images are probably fake.
     
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    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    second shot says it is 28nm
     
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    First two posts and all negative. Why do I even bother?! :(

    Believe what you guys will, GK107 (Kepler) and 28nm are mentioned in one of the screenshots. Nvidia is only coming out with 3 Kepler GPUs with the 600 series. Why not use one of the GT cards as a performance card and put in a lot of cores? The shaders with this GPU is clocked much lower than 550M too. 550M @ 1480MHz, 650M @ 810MHz which fits the TDP that limit this and the rest of the GT GPUs.
    I have trouble finding 1366x768 3DMark06 tests, but with 550M with 1280x1024 it is at 8500. With 1366x768 it is probably a little lower.
     
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    It will come when it comes.

    -The Truth :D
     
  7. RainMan_

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    Probably fake.
     
  8. plancy

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    Didn't someone say the 1:1 clocks for Kepler of some sort, does the screenshot reflect that
     
  9. Cloudfire

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    I tried asking them with Google translate for Vantage scores. Will see how that turns out :D
     
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    My 6990M is 28nm aswell

    Here's the proof!


    (Sorry, I just had to! :p No offence meant to anyone!)
    But ofc the 600-series is getting Kepler. Looking forward to it, it's gonna be awesome! :)
     
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    The GPU-Z doesn`t support the GPU they have tested. That is why you see no nm information and lots of grey fields with "Unknown" on the screenshot I posted
     
  12. maxheap

    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    dude!! don't get it wrong, your work is much appreciated! (I repped you man :)) maybe I sounded a little too pessimistic, but I am talking in general, and I am also looking forward to Kepler, I need new GPU already :D
     
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    Added a new screenshot :)

    @Graz: Yeah I know you mean well. GTX 680M for you :)
     
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    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    I just realized something, IF these screenies are indeed truth, then imagine the power of 680m!!!!!!!!!! seriously what are the chances it will have 768 shaders!!
     
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    I will be forced to wait for 680m if it's indeed kepler :O.

    If it comes before June. . . :p
     
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    even if kepler..

    very weak score ??
    3dmark 06
     
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    It is underclocked..severely, and 555m is 11.5k max on 3d06, so score dont climb very fast, I think the memory width has a lot to do with it.
     
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    It's really, really underclocked. Core 405MHz, shader 810MHz, memory 900MHz (effective 1800MHz). I think this chip can be overclocked drastically given the low clock speeds it has. 128bit memory bus, 2GB DDR3 dedicated VRAM. Just some bits of info I could grab from the screenies.
     
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    GT650M is a little bit faster than 555M (scores around 11000k with 1333x768 in 3DMark06) which is a 192bit. I`d say that is impressive. :)

    NVIDIA GeForce GT 555M - Notebookcheck.net Tech
     
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    I think in a notebook those clocks can be doubled on 28nm allowing for much higher score? :D
     
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    you are right! im sorry I didnt have the numbers in my head

    its actually pretty good then :)
     
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    I don`t know how Nvidia is gonna do the hot clock prinsiple with notebook GPUs or if they are gonna do it at all, but these low clocks could be notebook`s version of hot clocks?

    I am guessing in total darkness here btw :)
     
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    But the 192bit 555m in the m14x is about the same

    The other 555ms are defintely weaker though

    Also imagine this power in the 11.6 clevo.. Impressive!

    But who knows :)
     
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    Remember when I guessed that the 660M could have 384 shaders and 128-bit GDDR5, if it was Kepler?

    I was so close! Well technically I was right, because this proves that it is possible.
     
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    u were 10 off, which is 1.5% that's semi-accurate :)
     
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    To back up what I said:

    GT555M with 1366x768:
    [​IMG]

    GT650M with 1366x768:
    [​IMG]
     
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    But interesting that the card gets such a High score with such a bad pixel fillrate and weak bandwidth

    [​IMG]

    vs.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Yes, well done. You are the lucky winner of a shiny rep from me :D
    EDIT: You have to wait. I have been giving away too many today :D
     
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    Those clocks are so low it's scary. I'm getting GTX 480M flashbacks over here...
     
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    3DMark06 is a DX9 benchmark. ROPs have more to do with its score than unified shaders.
     
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    We care about 3DMark06 again?

    Torture the asset for Vantage and '11 runs.
     
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    Unless you plan on playing a lot of older DX9 games, 3DMark06 is irrelevant. Vantage and '11 are better indicators of performance since most games are coded for DX10, and actually more prevalent DX11.
     
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    I`ve asked them for both Vantage and 3DMark11 now. Twice. Not going to bother them anymore
    Not shure about my chinese though loool

     
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    Gotta get a chinese in there :D
     
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    haha lol yeah. :p

    I`ve been contacted by the dude who tested the GPU. He wrote to me in english. He must have given up responding in chinese lool. :D
    Hopefully he will test the GPU again.
     
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    Here's one thing that could prove it's fake.

    There's no way GPU-Z would recognize it as a 650M, as GPU-Z hasn't been updated to redognize Keplar.
     
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    As DXG pointed out gpu-z reads the name directly from the driver.
     
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    Which forum did you find these photos in? I'll try to translate what they're saying here.
     
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    Chinese forums have really cool emoticons :D

    Either way, they aren't really suspecting that the screenies are fake and they've identified the following (my translation, not Google's):

    GT 650M has a 128bit memory bus, 384 shaders, core 405MHz memory 900MHz and shader 810MHz.

    GT610M, GT630M and GT635M are rebadged Fermis, the GTX670m is a rebadged GTX570m, and the GTX580m is a rebadged GTX675m.

    However, so far they've only identified the GT650m as having a Kepler core.
     
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    Well, that leaves the 640M, 660M and 680M as the other Kepler parts, most likely, which makes alot of sense to me.
     
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    Hopefully the GTX 660M is a Kepler chip.

    We'll find out next week, as it will be featured in the Asus G55 and reportedly as the entry-level option in the Alienware M17x R4.
     
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    Of course it is real. The first posters just jumped on the (fake)bandwagon :p

    GTX 660M and 680M are gonna be sweeet considering that 650 is faster than 555M :)

    Thanks for going through the forum and translating the posts correctly too456. :) BTW, what do you get from post #10? Does he know or do he just guess?
     
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    I of course know that 3DM06 is obsolete, but I just realized that the 650M scored almost 12k with a Core i3. Now I'm more impressed. The GT 555M wouldn't even manage 9k with such a processor.

    Maybe that graph is unbelievable.
     
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    I really wish there were Vantage and 11 benches. It is impressive with an i3.
     
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    Actually the GT 650M beats GTX 460M at 3DMark06 when both have an i3 processor...


    [​IMG]
     
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    Thats an i3 370M, worse than the 2350M.
     
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