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    Has anyone installed game ready drivers on a Quadro? How does the 980m compare to a Quadro M5000m?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by R3n, Nov 17, 2020.

  1. R3n

    R3n Notebook Enthusiast

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    I've just purchased a 8770w, and I'm looking at a GPU upgrade. The 980m and Quadro M5000m are available for the same price for me, and I'm wondering which I should get. They are about the same in specs, but I'm wondering about real world gaming performance, which is why I'm posting here. I'm also thinking about going DreamColor, and I've heard that the Quadro cards can do 10-bit color everywhere, so I'm wondering if I should go with that instead.

    Also, would it possible to do the reverse and use Quadro drivers on the 980m?
     
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    Sorry I made a small mistake and yes with mods you can do visa versa with drivers
     
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    Would like details and benchmarks
     
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    I don't know that it would make much of a difference, only thing I could see is if the quadro is so old nvidia doesn't update the drivers for it. I think that's what happened when I had a k4000m, it's stuck at 425.xxx iirc. Quadros are usually pretty gimped versions of geforce and can then be unlocked vbios and heavily oc'd which is exactly what I did with my k4000m at the time, got it all the way up to an 870m level about 60% more than stock. Notebookcheck doesn't have too good of comparison here though, it says when comparing that the m5000m is twice as powerful as a 980m which doesn't sound right. M4000M=970m, m3000m=965m, m5000m=980m. They didn't do much in game real world benchmarking of an m5000m, last game was in 2015 whereas the 980m has games benchmarks through last year.

    https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/...adro-M5000M-vs-Quadro-M4000M/2976vs3408vs3297
     
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    Quadro M5000M would be the wiser choice simply because nVidia selects better quality dies for Quadros - my M5000M had ASIC qualty of 78% and was rock solid at 1200MHz core with only 0.987V - which gave me max temps 68-69C whereas my previous GTX980m needed 1V+ and was constantly throttling at 1126Mhz reaching 84-85C with its ASIC quality of 69%. With Premas vBios, M5000M was rock stable at 1400Mhz core/1.087V (11500 FS graphics pts, basically P4000/GTX 1060 performance level, see the attached photo), pulling 145W and hitting 87-88C which is still awesome for this insane OC:
     

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    One thing about oc'ing quadros is just the availability of the unlocked vbios though, it's not easy to find them anymore as people who make those have moved on or don't want to put them out there for liability or hassle in general. There's no database you can know what you're getting and just dl them. Maybe you could find one here searching for it though.
     
  8. R3n

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    What about giving a M5000m a 980m BIOS?
     
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    You will brick it
     
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    How about make it look like a 980m? Kinda like those fake Wish GPUs that aren't the GPU they display as
     
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    What would be the point of this?
     
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    Now that I'm thinking about it, I don't even know
     
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    If your purpose is to be seen in device manager and elsewhere as 980M, you can do it with NvCleanInstall where you just rename the GPU upon the driver installation.
     
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    idk the only possible use of doing that would be deception of others.
     
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    Both are fine!
     
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    Hi, this is my first message so forgive me if am doing wrong...

    Thanks to this forum I have been looking and learning a lot about my Alienware 17 R1 (Ranger if am right) with the 120HZ screen
    So I would like to upgrade it with a Quadro P4200 wich seems powerful and the good size for an MXM 3.O B GPU...
    with probably a 4930MX

    Is it possible?
     
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    P3200/4200/5200 come without vbios chip, as its vbios is part of HPs/Lenovo‘s system bios.
    If you want to get it working on any other laptop‘s brand, you need to soldier the vbios chip manually.
     
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    Humm... at first reading it sounds more risky... I won't do it definitely...
    But I found a "welder" for the P4200 and ebay Vbios chip for Clevo Sager Nvidia Quadro P5200 P4200 P3200 or should I use another Nvidia Vbios chip?

    You seems to know how to do it, did you do this already or know someone who did it?

    Do you think it worth it?
     
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    You can use this one, there are some vbios chips listed on ebay, they should work.
    I have never done it personaly, but I know people who can do it, depending on where your location is.
    Mine is Germany, but I know people in Austria and Bulgaria, who can get the job done.
    It is worthy as P4200 is better than P4000 and on par with GTX 1070.
     
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    Thank for answering and helping
    Searching around I found you again this thread " Quadro P4200 in Clevo P750DM-G: Benchmarks and pics" and saw a guy who did it too
    that is making me more comfortable with this project




     
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    Thank for answering and helping
    Searching around I found you again this thread " Quadro P4200 in Clevo P750DM-G: Benchmarks and pics" and saw a guy who did it too!
    that is making me more comfortable with this project

    I am in France, I might be interested by people who can get the job done, depending on the price and how experienced they are...

    And yes P4200 seems to be at list very close to the GTX 1070 wich is more expensive (over budget for me) and it seems it's necessary to file in the AW to make enough place for the gpu ?!
     
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    I'd almost rather have an m5000m over a 980m, it's newer by a couple of years iirc and has a much better oc'ing capability. I'm guessing that quadros are held to higher standard components wise too. Oh right I forgot about this post, disregard since I think the op has moved on lol
     
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    Im just curious, what are the quadro equivalents of gtx 1070/2070? I dont think they do "Max-Q" last I recall, but I am curious. I would consider a quadro book, but we have of course been through this.
     
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    You'd have to look up the cuda cores and the clock speeds, try notebookcheck, from this wiki I'd guess the p4000 for the gtx 1070 for the rtx 2070 it'd be the rtx 4000.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#Quadro_Mxxx_series
     
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    p4200 mxm works normally on an alienware 17 r1 Ranger ??
     
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    No sadly...

    like mirage_b says:

    P3200/4200/5200 come without vbios chip, as its vbios is part of HPs/Lenovo‘s system bios.
    If you want to get it working on any other laptop‘s brand, you need to soldier the vbios chip manually...

    and also another conversation told that it also depends of the REV !

    too much for me

    too bad the P4200 is at list as strong as the 1070!
     
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