Hd4330 Vs 9400(ion)

im making a little portable box and there is 2 choices that im looking at. im going to use it from VERY SLIGHT gaming, videos, music, web surfing. Im wondering what is a better video card the HD4330 or the 9400 it looks like the HD4330 has a edge over the 9400 but i cant find any soild evidence of this.

this is what im looking at
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167039

compared to this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-001-_-Product

yes i know that this zotac has a hard drive and memory i dont care about that im looking to see what has a better video card even if it slight.

this is the only info i could compare them 2
HD4330
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-ATI...0.13973.0.html

9400
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-...G.11949.0.html

 

any body have any info at all?

 

i think they will be very similar. the 4330 may have a slight edge, but nothing groundbreaking. either is fine for VERY light gaming, videos, music, and the web...

you aren't at the point where it matters that one video card is better than the other because both will play videos back just fine and you aren't going to get much gaming out of either of them.

 

the only reason why i want the "better" card is so i can play wow at least on medium settings. i dono if either or could.

 

It is a safe bet that WoW will run on medium settings considering the game runs fine on old Intel integrated graphics (X3100). As masterchef noted the HD 4330 has a slight edge though it is not enough to make a buying decision over IMO.

 

im playing on a (X3100) and it so bad every thing is on low settings 1024x768 and its barley pulling 25fps. This is in the beginning area i would hate to see what it would do with burning crusade and wrath of the lynch king.

 

again, chaz put it best. the cards are similar enough in performance that the decision between them is trivial and shouldn't affect your buying decision.

if you are really worried about performance in games, you should look for a different class of graphics card.

 

That machine is not going to be good for much of anything other than light web surfing. The Atom is an extremely weak processor when it comes to performance - it lags at even basic multi-tasking. The fact that the 330 is dual-core helps, but it's not going to go far; it is still only as fast as processors from the first half of this decade.

Also, note the first box (the second link is broken) only supports up to 2GB of memory, so that's a downer.

What exactly are you looking for? What kind of money are we talking?

 

That video posted here somewhere for the Atom 330 and Ion looked quite promising showing it playing CoD 4 at reasonable framerates and detail. Although I'm a bit sceptical about Atoms at all after the miserable results from my several netbooks with N270's. Best to see if you can find something even with a Core 2 Solo over an Atom.

 

well all i want is for something that is real portable and to play some games and "wow" on i was gonna pair this with a 9800gt but i need a 400W power supply but i dono what power supply would work in it any ideas? this is the case btw the 9800gt is a low profile card so it will fit in the case lol.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167040

 

I would email MSI though to see how you get that riser card. It converts from PCI-X to a PCI and PCI-e x16. Apparently it doesn't come with it, so you will need to order it from somewhere, or MSI will have to get you one.

 

The MSI Hetis G31 has the 2 pci cards the MSI Hetis G41 has the pci express card. wait mabe im confused i dono it just seems like a pain in the butt for me to get that to work the way i want it.

 

Gotcha, good research! That looks like a nice compact setup. With support for Core 2 Quad / Core 2 Duo, 2 DDR2 slots with 4GB max, and a PCI-e x16 slot, that can make for one screaming compact system. Even with the slowest Core 2 chip will be faster than any Atom.

 

Thats what i was thinking, from what ive read the G41 should have the pci express card. but i need a better power supply and i dono if i need to find a micro atx power supply or what

 

Hmmm, I'm curious about that 400W requirement. I have owned (and still do own) many Shuttle small form factor PC's in the past. I had a 9800 GT in my SN21G5 with a 300W power supply and it ran it just fine, because the PSU was high efficiency (80+). Most of them are, and the one in this Hetis says it's 80 plus Bronze.

Is this the 9800 GT you're referring to?:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187061

It has no need for an external power connection, so it should be just fine. The included supply is 80x120x120mm which is an odd dimension, so it may be proprietary. Shuttle does the same thing. But my thought is the included 270W PSU is more than adequate.

And to be honest, you peaked my interest. I just configured a system with the following:

MSI Hetis G41
Pentium E5200 Wolfdale Pentium Dual Core 2.5GHz (not Core 2 Duo)
2x2GB G.Skill DDR2 800
Sapphire HD 4650 low profile video card PCI-e 2.0 x16
WD Caviar Blue 500GB
LG 22x DVDRW

all for a grand total of $488.45. Not a bad little rig for the price. Room to upgrade down the road to a Quad Core and 9800 GT!

I find the nettops interesting, but as you can see here, you can get so much better if you configure it yourself for not a whole lot more, if not same price.

 

that's not bad i have a E8400 to stick into it u think that 270W would be fine? or maybe i should go with a 9600gt or a 4650. just to be safe i know this had me real interested in it also! yes that is the 9800GT i wonder if the lower profile cards use less wattage?

 

You will be fine. Max design power draw from PCI-e slot is 75W, usually only 40-50W though is drawn max. You will be fine. Those PSU specs are for the boneheads that buy the $14.95 cheapy PSU special that has like 60% efficiency.

Do the math for theoretical maximums:

GPU: 75W
CPU: 65W
HDD: 10W
DVDRW: 15W
Memory: 40W (2x2GB)
Mainboard: 25W

TOTAL: 215W

That is if EVERYTHING was drawing at maximum power, which would be (215W/270W) 80% of the maximum load of the PSU. Realistically it will be more like:

GPU: 45W
CPU: 40W
HDD: 5W
Optical: 10W
Memory: 40W (it's all charged or not)
Mainboard: 20W

Total: 160W

Again at full load.

I did some tests with my Shuttle and during gaming power draw from the wall was about 240W at most, so 80% efficiency ~ 192W power to system components. And I had to have an extra power supply to the video card. Still well within the limits.

A power supply should run 40-70% of its rated load for best life and efficency.

 

this is intresting thank you for the info i might build this now lol! i thought about building a sweet desktop with a Thermaltake LANBOX Lite but i just think thats to big im lazy hell i even hated disconnecting the power brick to take it to my buddys(laptop) so im gonna leave a LCD mouse and keybored over there so all i have to do is bring the slim tower lol.

 

I used to port my Shuttle back and forth to a buddy's house on a regular basis. I bought a cheap 15" monitor (I think $140 on sale at the time), extra mouse and keyboard, Ethernet cable, and power cable, and left it in my bag, just so I could lug the thing over to his house. Now that I have a reasonable laptop, it's a lot easier.

Good luck with the build. I've been considering something like this for my TV for movies and web browsing and light gaming, but I'm budget restricted at the moment. Some time in the near future though.

 

lol i hear yeah see i had a gateway fx but i get so pickey with the fram rate and eye candy i wasnt happy it even had a GTX260m o well im sure ill be happy with this.

 

The 9800 GT should do better than your GTX 260m, but not by a whole lot, and don't expect to be able to run at 1920x1080. Run at 1366x768 or 1280x720 is probably your best bet to allow use of all eye-candy.

I'm surprised you didn't get acceptable frame rates with your GTX 260m, it should be more than sufficient.

 

i use to have a 4870 1gb card and a 8800gt befor that i could run most of my games on 1080p rez just fine with the 8800gt but i play wow mostly and i just was not happy on the un even frame rates. plus i was not to happy about the powersupply on the laptop it felt any min i could break the connector.

 

Come to think of it does that case look like it would fix a full pci express card? it looks like it will but im not sure thoes brackets dont look like there for a low profile card.